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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #90 on: August 24, 2025, 03:47:04 PM »
It's not Honda's fault, the EU nanny state comes up with all these so called safety rules and all manufacturers have to abide by them, the crazy thing is they give you the option to disable them every trip  :o

And isn't it necessary as 5thcivic writes here?
Because for some car brands it can be turned off permanently.

Similar to daytime running lights: vehicles in the EU must be equipped with DRL, but some countries (e.g. Germany) do not have to use them.
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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #91 on: August 24, 2025, 04:24:53 PM »
It's not Honda's fault, the EU nanny state comes up with all these so called safety rules and all manufacturers have to abide by them, the crazy thing is they give you the option to disable them every trip  :o

And isn't it necessary as 5thcivic writes here?
Because for some car brands it can be turned off permanently.

Similar to daytime running lights: vehicles in the EU must be equipped with DRL, but some countries (e.g. Germany) do not have to use them.

It will all depend on when a vehicle was  homolgated, other manufacturers may have not had to renew their homologation, so don’t need to meet the latest regulations. So can turn off.
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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #92 on: August 24, 2025, 11:27:19 PM »
The not so intelligent speed limiter…..picks up too many lower speed limit signs from side roads, adjacent junctions and slip roads. Dam dangerous when it picks up a 20 when you are on a main road at 40 to 70mph with someone on your tail!
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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #93 on: August 25, 2025, 09:52:35 AM »
The not so intelligent speed limiter…..picks up too many lower speed limit signs from side roads, adjacent junctions and slip roads. Dam dangerous when it picks up a 20 when you are on a main road at 40 to 70mph with someone on your tail!
Despite what many on here have said, it always happens. Useless system (like the majority of driver 'aids')

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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #94 on: August 25, 2025, 10:19:39 AM »
The not so intelligent speed limiter…..picks up too many lower speed limit signs from side roads, adjacent junctions and slip roads. Dam dangerous when it picks up a 20 when you are on a main road at 40 to 70mph with someone on your tail!
Just to be clear, the problem is not with the intelligent speed limiter (ISL): that does exactly what it's supposed to do, which is to limit the speed to whatever limit has been detected. The problem is with the traffic sign recognition that feeds data to the ISL, which is simply not good enough to cope with the many variations of signage on UK roads. Signs on adjacent roads, "countdown" signs ("30 limit 200 yds ahead"), advisory limits (green/grey not red roundels), part-time speed limits (eg outside schools when warning lights flash during school hours) are all misinterpreted and the ISL will respond accordingly.

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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #95 on: August 25, 2025, 10:31:15 AM »
Just to be clear, the problem is not with the intelligent speed limiter (ISL): that does exactly what it's supposed to do, which is to limit the speed to whatever limit has been detected. The problem is with the traffic sign recognition that feeds data to the ISL, which is simply not good enough to cope with the many variations of signage on UK roads. Signs on adjacent roads, "countdown" signs ("30 limit 200 yds ahead"), advisory limits (green/grey not red roundels), part-time speed limits (eg outside schools when warning lights flash during school hours) are all misinterpreted and the ISL will respond accordingly.

so therefore it is useless, as I stated above.

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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #96 on: August 25, 2025, 12:00:10 PM »
I wouldnt call the speed limiters useless.   But I seldom use them as I dislike the 'dead' feel on the throttle once you hit the limiter  speed.   The intelligent limiter is  also subject to the  sign recognition  mistakes as listed by ColinB . An AI system would have to be very clever indeed to get these signs  right every time. 

I did occasionally  use an adjustable  limiter  to stop me inadvertently drifting over the speed I set.  .I normally set them a couple of mph over the applicable speed limit .This reduced the frequency of 'dead pedal' unless I was being really naughty.   

I say 'did' because I have never yet  set a  limiter ,adjustable or intelligent,   on my 2024 car which has the now compulsory overspeed bongs.  With a bit of 'selective hearing' I find these bongs are all the warning I need to either moderate my speed    or ignore the bongs if I decide 'human knows best'.

I know driver aids are not yet perfect  but I prefer to work with them rather than try to  avoid them.
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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #97 on: August 28, 2025, 09:24:09 PM »
i don't like the road noise, i looked under the rear seat carpet or maybe tissue paper thick covering, no sound  insulation, not impressed at all.
Any one fitted some insulation to these cars, did look at the front and the thinnest insulation you can buy is fitted to our 2024 Crosstar
Surely a car of this price should be better or is it any thing to do with the HV battery overheating or just cheap.
Not too keen on the drive stick, why so hard to move, feels like it is starting to seize, why not have a rotating dial or something like that.
I washed the car and the bonnet is so thin i thought it was going to buckle, paint not much better.
On the plus side i do see 74.3mpg on the read out, i have not checked it on tank to tank refills, will check it later

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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #98 on: August 29, 2025, 07:25:10 AM »
Insulation is probably partly cost, and partly weight, which can make a difference to mpg.  And as you say  insulation over the HV battery may cause it to overheat , or use  its battery cooling fans more often, which increases  fuel consumption and may add fan noise.  (some say they can hear this- I've never noticed it ) 
If you do  your own insulation  you'd need to be careful not to block or impede any air flow.

I only have fitted  floor mats , which may help a bit.

Thin guage bodywork is increasingly common. It saves a lot of weight on an entire car. Manufacturers may claim they use higher grade steel than previously , and carefully calculated by computers.    Some cars only feel stronger because their  styling incorporates more compound curves that makes it feel more rigid, a bit like corrugated iron  roofing.     

Hondas bodywork and rustproofing is not world leading.  Maybe because the  Japanese government have a policy for the japanese market  that favours exporting the car to other countries when it reaches 3 years old and buying a new japanese car at a cheap price. 

 But all  cars tend to reach their end of life  either because of its bodywork, or its mechanicals . You often see images of perfectly decent looking cars going into the crusher.  Honda owners may lament that the car still  had perfect mechanicals , other makes will lament that the body was perfect and the mechanics  let it down.        And a car that was  class leading in both areas may have been  a heavy ,gas guzzling, slug all its life.   :P
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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2025, 07:59:46 AM »
      And a car that was  class leading in both areas may have been  a heavy ,gas guzzling, slug all its life.   :P

Well, for example, the Toyota Avensis T25 FL had both and was no worse in terms of consumption than its successor, the Avensis T27 - where savings were made (thin-walled body, worse damping, poor anti-corrosion treatment, etc.). That was the last honest car. I remember it with a "tears in my eyes", I drove it back in the spring.
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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2025, 01:11:48 PM »
And also weak glass. When I first rolled down the window, I was very surprised...
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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #101 on: August 31, 2025, 04:33:24 PM »
What bothers me is being unable to disable the overspeed warning beeps permanently.

I can't even disable them temporarily, I have to disable the traffic sign recognition system completely every time I start the car.
I actually like being able to see traffic signs on the dash. I'm also ok if they blink if I go overspeed, but I just hate the beeps.

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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #102 on: September 01, 2025, 01:34:30 PM »
I washed the car and the bonnet is so thin i thought it was going to buckle, paint not much better.
A roof rack can be mounted on the Jazz. According to the specifications, the roof is supposed to have a load capacity of up to 35kg. Well, I can't imagine what those 35kg will do to that thin sheet metal. And even more so at high speeds on the highway and perhaps even in strong winds.
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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #103 on: September 01, 2025, 02:05:55 PM »
I washed the car and the bonnet is so thin i thought it was going to buckle, paint not much better.
A roof rack can be mounted on the Jazz. According to the specifications, the roof is supposed to have a load capacity of up to 35kg. Well, I can't imagine what those 35kg will do to that thin sheet metal. And even more so at high speeds on the highway and perhaps even in strong winds.

I have the Honda approved roof rack. I use it to transport either a kayak, or a pair of bikes (mounted on Thule carriers attached to the bars). While I agree that the tin wear on the Jazz seems especially flimsy after my Renaults (confirmed by a friend who works as a Dent Doctor, Hondas notoriously thin on bodywork), the roof and sills seem to cope well with the roof bar set up under load.
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Re: What bothers you about the Jazz Mk4?
« Reply #104 on: September 01, 2025, 02:18:02 PM »
I have the Honda approved roof rack. I use it to transport either a kayak, or a pair of bikes (mounted on Thule carriers attached to the bars). While I agree that the tin wear on the Jazz seems especially flimsy after my Renaults (confirmed by a friend who works as a Dent Doctor, Hondas notoriously thin on bodywork), the roof and sills seem to cope well with the roof bar set up under load.

Oh, I guess it will be reinforced somehow. And won't that somehow twist the roof sheet metal?
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