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RuthieB

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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #105 on: September 07, 2022, 10:50:50 PM »
we can certainly blame the Garmin built in SatNav for trying to take us down said “ridiculous country roads” in the first place when more logical and easier to drive routes exist!

Our Garmin gives a few route options. It's seems to be a matter of choosing the right one...  ;)
I had one instance of NO options and a mandatory offer of being sent down a grass covered bridleway in Pembrokeshire this Summer!
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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #106 on: September 08, 2022, 05:21:57 AM »
Both Garmin and TomTom produce some illogical routing decisions. They seem unable to program in that driving maybe an extra mile on a better class road is the way to go rather than struggle down a single track dirt path.

Both have also been known at motorway junctions, on a bend, to direct you off via the sliproad then back onto the same motorway via the on sliproad presumably because the bend makes it shorter.

I remember using Microsoft AutoRoute on a PC back in the 90's to plot routes and it's routing was far superior. Even now I still occasionally use Microsoft MapPoint to double check if I'm travelling somewhere unknown and far away. Even though MapPoint is now obsolete and 2013 it still does a good job and you can export the route into a standalone Garmin.
Let's be careful out there !

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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #107 on: September 08, 2022, 08:26:17 AM »
Autoroute also allowed you to set speeds for each type of road, such as B roads, unclassified roads, narrow A roads etc. It amazes me that such a feature is not routinely incorporated into navigation software. It would get rid of most of these illogical decisions apart perhaps from the off and on again at a junction as no doubt the slip roads would be seen as part of the motorway.

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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #108 on: September 08, 2022, 08:49:16 AM »
I love having Satnav;  I remember when me and wifey would be having furious rows about map reading?!

My sons went to two different universities in Birmingham at the same time. Without Satnav I would have got lost every time I visited them.

I love driving on those narrow country lanes.

Satnav is only an animated map;  the driver has to make sensible decisions about the route offered.
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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #109 on: September 08, 2022, 09:28:58 AM »
If nothing goes right, go left!

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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #110 on: September 08, 2022, 10:02:59 AM »
I only tend to use the Satnav for inner city directions. If you can't find yourself around the UK without using a gadget, then maybe you should just go on a Saga coach holiday.

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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #111 on: September 08, 2022, 10:26:06 AM »
For what it's worth, here are my thoughts on the subject. I have a narrow (just wide enough for two vehicles with a tiny amount to spare) country lane near to me, which I drive down regularly. It has a 40mph speed limit and a solid white line painted on the nearside in both directions. Quite regularly, an oncoming vehicle will straddle the middle white line and encroach on my side of the road. This tends to either be a larger vehicle, a Transit van say, or a car being driven by someone who thinks it is twice as wide as it actually is! Because of this, I tend to drive with my nearside wheel on, or slightly over, the nearside white line. This, as I see it, presents two possible points of danger; I may scrape the tip of my nearside wing mirror on the hedgerow, or I may have a head on accident with a van coming the other way at 40mph. If I don't turn off the RDMS, for some reason best known to itself, the system thinks the head on accident with the forthcoming Transit van is the better option and tries to drag me over into its path.
As far as I am concerned, the system is not only useless but downright dangerous. It is not, by any means, fit for purpose. The ability to turn it off permanently should be the absolute minimum requirement, imho...
I treat RDMS as a driver aid.  I dont expect it to position me in the correct position on a  country road and certainly not  for it  to stop  oncoming vehicles being in the 'wrong' place.  (LKAS helps keep you central in a 'lane markings ' but thats something different used in different circumstances )   

But what is correct position on a narrow road?  Opinions on this vary, often depending on whether or not you have  studied advanced driving manuals and techniques.  Its obvious on a very narrow single track lane. You  stay in the centre and fully expect an oncoming vehicle to be doing the same. If oncoming  drivers meet at too high a speed thats entirely due to driver error. (By one or both)  RDMS is happy to accept verges very close  on both sides  at once ,and in most situations you will be driving too slow for it to activate anyway.

But where its just wide enough for two vehicles to pass  its different.   Some drivers will rigidly follow the basic highway  code rule of keeping left ,  but do so even when its not necessary.  The downside is they are very close to the  nearside hedges ,roadside ditches etc  and get a much worse view of approaching hazard, that may be round a bend, or could very  suddenly emerge from the side. They have very little time to react and limited option to swerve. Its easy to visualise the hazard of a car door opening if you pass too  close but it also applies to vehicles suddenly part  emerging  from a side entrance, farm animals, pedestrians  etc etc.

   Side of the road huggers tend to see the oncoming vehicle that much  later, and it takes them more by surprise.   Their  reaction is more reactive, less proactive.     They have less time to slow down and position correctly to pass,  so its more likely their hasty  move even closer to the hedge/ditch will be at a speed that  activates RDMS intervention, which in turn takes them by surprise and might cause 'slight panic'.
The whole essence of good driving is giving yourself more time to think and react in the best way.

Turning off the RDMS  does not mean you no longer have  encounters with oncoming vehicles .   But you no longer  get a warning that maybe you should be dealing with them better ,especially if you are that near disaster you feel unable to override a slight steering intervention. 

Advanced training manuals tend to advocate positioning a bit further to the centre  when possible.  (eg there is nothing oncoming, or trying to overtake. ) Observation  and hazard awareness skills need to be well developed  .Its  true that some drivers  take the space without the skills to go with it.   
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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #112 on: September 08, 2022, 11:08:55 AM »
The Police 'Blue Book' training manual by which I was taught......
Says to enable an early view on bends " On a right hand bend you should drive as far to the LEFT as possible, looking right. On left hand bend you should drive as far to the RIGHT as possible, looking left without crossing the centre line on a road with lanes in opposing directions".
I always use this method and it works.
Of course on very narrow, single width lanes you cannot move very far either way, but should still go as far as possible.
All the time when driving you should look as far ahead as possible and then bring your vision back to your bonnet and repeat all the time.
So many accidents are caused by idiots that never look further than 50 feet or so beyond their bonnet. when I was driving 30k miles a year I saw it all the time.
If driving behind a much slower, high  vehicle, e:g:- Farm machinery , army lorry try looking UNDERNEATH it for a view ahead, if you cannot see past it.
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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #113 on: September 08, 2022, 11:22:12 AM »
The Police 'Blue Book' training manual by which I was taught......
Says to enable an early view on bends " On a right hand bend you should drive as far to the LEFT as possible, looking right. On left hand bend you should drive as far to the RIGHT as possible, looking left without crossing the centre line on a road with lanes in opposing directions".
I always use this method and it works.
Of course on very narrow, single width lanes you cannot move very far either way, but should still go as far as possible.
All the time when driving you should look as far ahead as possible and then bring your vision back to your bonnet and repeat all the time.
So many accidents are caused by idiots that never look further than 50 feet or so beyond their bonnet. when I was driving 30k miles a year I saw it all the time.
If driving behind a much slower, high  vehicle, e:g:- Farm machinery , army lorry try looking UNDERNEATH it for a view ahead, if you cannot see past it.

Totally agree

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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #114 on: September 08, 2022, 12:24:19 PM »
I use sat nav when going to a new area. I find it ideal for those last few miles and it has rarely let me down. Before any long journey, I always look at a map first so I have a good idea of what roads I will be using.

I guess we need to see it as a driver aid as opposed to a form of autonomous driving where you simply respond, blindly, to its instructions. The first time I used a sat nav it took me down a muddy track and through a ford. It was clearly not ideal. I now "overrule" it if I think it is giving me a less than ideal route.

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Re: Road departure warning
« Reply #115 on: September 08, 2022, 12:59:52 PM »
Re driving on narrow country roads. If you constantly visualise a hazard that's not yet visible *, when something does appear you will hopefully be prepared.

* Slow moving farm machinery, a fallen tree, avalanche, horses, cows, sheep, cyclists, pedestrians, oncoming vehicle over the centre line.
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