2030 sale of petrol cars

[Kremmen]

I'm no electrics expert but what would the charge rate be from a 30A domestic fusebox, or even just plugging into a normal 13A socket.

[JimSh]

I'm no electrics expert but what would the charge rate be from a 30A domestic fusebox, or even just plugging into a normal 13A socket.

Nor me, but 30kWh in 10hours.

But
"Mode 1: Household socket and extension cord

The vehicle is connected to the power grid through standard 3 pin socket present in residences allowing a maximum delivery of power of 11A ( to account for overloading of the socket).

This limits the user to a lower amount of available power delivered to the vehicle.

In addition the high draw from the charger at maximum power over several hours will increase wear on the socket and increase the likelihood of fire.

Electrical injury or risk of fire are much higher if the electrical installation is not up to current regulations or the fuse board is not protected by an RCD.

Heating of the socket and cables following intensive use for several hours at or near the maximum power (which varies from 8 to 16 A depending on the country)."

https://www.spiritenergy.co.uk/kb-ev-understanding-electric-car-charging#:~:text=You%20may%20come%20across%20the%20terms%20%27slow%20charging%27%2C,to%20fully%20recharge%20most%20models%20in%203-4%20hours.

[sparky Paul]

I don't think anyone who charges their main vehicle at home would sensibly use a 13A socket.

Most domestic UK supplies are 80A, mainly confined to older rural properties, or 100A. Unless you have some other overnight demand such as electric storage heating, you could very easily tap 30A, or 7.2kW - giving a theoretical 7 hour overnight charge of up to 50kWh, not allowing for losses.

There's no reason why this couldn't be increased to 50A and 84kWh if necessary, or even higher from a 100A supply, whilst still leaving some leeway.

[Jocko]

In addition the high draw from the charger at maximum power over several hours will increase wear on the socket and increase the likelihood of fire.

This is just scaremongering of the worst kind. UK sockets are designed to carry their rated current for hours on end. The old lady who unplugs her electrical devices every evening before going to bed puts more wear and tear on the plugs and sockets and is at greater risk. I was an electrical/electronic maintenance engineer for 45 years. The only burnt sockets I have ever attended to were due to the poor workmanship of the electricians who wired them or the devices plugged into them.

[Kremmen]

In my case I'd probably be OK with an overnight trickle charge from a 13A socket.

By 2030 it'll just be a local shopper so very little drain.

When I do move in 2 or 3 years I'll be looking for a house with attached garage so a 30A feed may be quite easy anyway.

[Jocko]

Many EV owners use nothing other than the "Granny" cable (I don't know why it is called that) to charge their vehicles. One hour puts about 9 or 10 miles of range back into the battery, so if you are popping to the shops each day, it is an ideal solution. The device controls the charging and disconnects when the battery is fully charged. It also has a built-in RCD. It draws a maximum of 10 amps.

[sparky Paul]

Many EV owners use nothing other than the "Granny" cable (I don't know why it is called that)

Speed, or lack of... I think 

[Jocko]

I wondered if it was because your old granny wouldn't know how to use a charger but could plug her car in like plugging in her kettle.

[Kremmen]

Many EV owners use nothing other than the "Granny" cable (I don't know why it is called that) to charge their vehicles. One hour puts about 9 or 10 miles of range back into the battery, so if you are popping to the shops each day, it is an ideal solution. The device controls the charging and disconnects when the battery is fully charged. It also has a built-in RCD. It draws a maximum of 10 amps.

Come 2030 that's probably all I'd need.

[peteo48]

Many EV owners use nothing other than the "Granny" cable (I don't know why it is called that) to charge their vehicles. One hour puts about 9 or 10 miles of range back into the battery, so if you are popping to the shops each day, it is an ideal solution. The device controls the charging and disconnects when the battery is fully charged. It also has a built-in RCD. It draws a maximum of 10 amps.

It's something I've mulled over. Would a cheap and safe solution be an outside socket (waterproof of course) for trickle charging? I saw a You Tube video a few years back where the EV driver had hired an Air bnb with such a socket and used it to charge his EV.

[Jocko]

Something you do with an EV is an Equalisation charge (do it with all battery sets). Every so often, you give it a full and complete charge. The MG5 tells you when it thinks you should do one, and you basically trickle charge it until the battery 100% charged. This balances the charge across all the cells in the battery pack.

[plasma]

I'd like to know how sufficient electrical energy will be produced to charge upwards of 30 million vehicles, especially given the current (pun intended) leaning to solar and wind energy which cannot operate 24/7 due to weather and darkness. Has anyone actually looked at the pollution caused by the mining of minerals used to produce the batteries for these vehicles?
I think electric vehicles have their place for use around towns and cities, especially for local delivery vehicles as they would be able to charge overnight and range anxiety would not be a problem. For long distance and rural users I think there will be issues, plus where will the people who live in flats, and the terraced streets charge their cars, not everyone lives in a home with a driveway or even can park on the road outside their home. I cannot understand why the government doesn't promote hybrid vehicles.
It has been mentioned that in years to come no one will own a car, that it's likely we will have access to hire vehicles collecting and dropping them off at various points. I wonder what state they will be in?
I've a feeling this Jazz will be the last car I own.

10/10, good post.

Plasma.

[Basil]

I would have thought it would have been sensible to start phasing out the larger capacity and more uneconomical ICE vehicles before it banned them completely.

[culzean]

I would have thought it would have been sensible to start phasing out the larger capacity and more uneconomical ICE vehicles before it banned them completely.

That is too sensible for politicians to think of, their approach is a sledgehammer to crack a peanut.

As I said in an earlier post it says everything about electric vehicles that the force of law has to be used to get people to buy them, if they were the right vehicle at the right price people would be queuing up to buy them....

[sparky Paul]

As I said in an earlier post it says everything about electric vehicles that the force of law has to be used to get people to buy them, if they were the right vehicle at the right price people would be queuing up to buy them....

13% of new car registrations this year are EV, are these people all being forced to buy them?

As an early adopter, I think many EV buyers expect to pay more, that doesn't mean the technology is wrong. If there was no progress, we would still be going to work on donkeys.