Second referendum for Scotland

[culzean]

Well personally I would attach Lancashire and Yorkshire and all counties North of there to Scotland and call the whole thing The North and give it independence. I was born and raised in Lancashire and lived all of my adult life in Yorkshire. I honestly feel there is greater affinity with Edinburgh than there is with London in these areas.

I was not too long ago that Yorkshire had a bigger GDP than Scotland - let Scotland fend for themselves if they want to be totally independent of rest of UK..

If they do leave UK and rejoin EU their fishing waters will be a free for all and get ready for EU army recruiting offices popping up,  and what shipbuilding they have left will be heading south, together with UK military bases.

[guest4871]

Well personally I would attach Lancashire and Yorkshire and all counties North of there to Scotland and call the whole thing The North and give it independence. I was born and raised in Lancashire and lived all of my adult life in Yorkshire. I honestly feel there is greater affinity with Edinburgh than there is with London in these areas.

Of course there is.

It is the original Kingdom of Northumbria - complete with the Saxon name of Edinburgh.

Well worth a (longish detailed) read:

https://www.ancient.eu/Kingdom_of_Northumbria/

[JimSh]

Well personally I would attach Lancashire and Yorkshire and all counties North of there to Scotland and call the whole thing The North and give it independence. I was born and raised in Lancashire and lived all of my adult life in Yorkshire. I honestly feel there is greater affinity with Edinburgh than there is with London in these areas.

Of course there is.

It is the original Kingdom of Northumbria - complete with the Saxon name of Edinburgh.

Well worth a (longish detailed) read:

https://www.ancient.eu/Kingdom_of_Northumbria/

Of course there is.

They've all been shat on from a great height by successive Westminster governments for the last 60 years.

Well worth a read :

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/culture/2013/01/meeting-our-makers-britain%E2%80%99s-long-industrial-decline

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/22/angry-england-desires-change-inequality-brussels-bet365-denise-coates

[guest4871]

Well personally I would attach Lancashire and Yorkshire and all counties North of there to Scotland and call the whole thing The North and give it independence. I was born and raised in Lancashire and lived all of my adult life in Yorkshire. I honestly feel there is greater affinity with Edinburgh than there is with London in these areas.

Of course there is.

It is the original Kingdom of Northumbria - complete with the Saxon name of Edinburgh.

Well worth a (longish detailed) read:

https://www.ancient.eu/Kingdom_of_Northumbria/

Of course there is.

They've all been shat on from a great height by successive Westminster governments for the last 40 years.

Nothing like lowering the tone?

I have an academic interest in how geography affects the behaviour of different ethnicities what ever their birth origins. Remarkably behaviour does seem to depend more on geography than most would think.

[richardfrost]

Well personally I would attach Lancashire and Yorkshire and all counties North of there to Scotland and call the whole thing The North and give it independence. I was born and raised in Lancashire and lived all of my adult life in Yorkshire. I honestly feel there is greater affinity with Edinburgh than there is with London in these areas.

Of course there is.

It is the original Kingdom of Northumbria - complete with the Saxon name of Edinburgh.

Well worth a (longish detailed) read:

https://www.ancient.eu/Kingdom_of_Northumbria/

Of course there is.

They've all been shat on from a great height by successive Westminster governments for the last 60 years.

Well worth a read :

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/culture/2013/01/meeting-our-makers-britain%E2%80%99s-long-industrial-decline

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/22/angry-england-desires-change-inequality-brussels-bet365-denise-coates

Well I read both of these and neither talks of the North / South divide. I don’t doubt it exists though, I see it every day.

[richardfrost]

Well personally I would attach Lancashire and Yorkshire and all counties North of there to Scotland and call the whole thing The North and give it independence. I was born and raised in Lancashire and lived all of my adult life in Yorkshire. I honestly feel there is greater affinity with Edinburgh than there is with London in these areas.

I was not too long ago that Yorkshire had a bigger GDP than Scotland - let Scotland fend for themselves if they want to be totally independent of rest of UK..

If they do leave UK and rejoin EU their fishing waters will be a free for all and get ready for EU army recruiting offices popping up,  and what shipbuilding they have left will be heading south, together with UK military bases.

An interesting and long read. But essentially I don’t really agree with connecting a kingdom gone for 1100 years with the current split. I believe it is simply down to the geographical location of London in the extreme South East of the country.

[JimSh]

Well personally I would attach Lancashire and Yorkshire and all counties North of there to Scotland and call the whole thing The North and give it independence. I was born and raised in Lancashire and lived all of my adult life in Yorkshire. I honestly feel there is greater affinity with Edinburgh than there is with London in these areas.

Of course there is.

It is the original Kingdom of Northumbria - complete with the Saxon name of Edinburgh.

Well worth a (longish detailed) read:

https://www.ancient.eu/Kingdom_of_Northumbria/

Of course there is.

They've all been shat on from a great height by successive Westminster governments for the last 60 years.

Well worth a read :

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/culture/2013/01/meeting-our-makers-britain%E2%80%99s-long-industrial-decline

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/22/angry-england-desires-change-inequality-brussels-bet365-denise-coates

Well I read both of these and neither talks of the North / South divide. I don’t doubt it exists though, I see it every day.

They were not intended to illustrate the North /South divide but were in reply to Zzaj 's post and were intended to point out that politics within the last century would have more bearing on the similarities between Central Scotland and Northern England than the ancestry of their populations.
The first article illustrates the similarity between the industrial regions of Central Scotland and Northern England.
The second the damage inflicted on these regions by increasing inequality and particularly the the austerity of the last 10 years.
Sorry if I misinterpreted the point of your original post.

[richardfrost]

@JimSh I must have skimmed them then as I still didn't get those points clearly from the articles linked to. However, I absolutely agree with your point.

[JimSh]

@JimSh I must have skimmed them then as I still didn't get those points clearly from the articles linked to. However, I absolutely agree with your point.

There are, no doubt, loads of other articles which would better illustrate the point.

[JimSh]

Charming.

[sparky Paul]

Charming.

I've heard quite a few hideous things in the last few days. You can understand why some Scots want self determination.

[peteo48]

That clip is the best argument for Scottish Independence I have heard in a long time. Possibly sums up the attitude of many in England to Scotland. As Jim says "Charming."

[culzean]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/27/the-snp-comes-undone/

A hard border where Hadrians wall is, their fishing grounds still plundered by the EU, and no say in the EU rules they will have to obey, the new 28th state of federal Europe - sounds just fine to me Nicola...... can't see a problem - oh and joining the failing Euro, all fine and dandy....

[JimSh]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/27/the-snp-comes-undone/

A hard border where Hadrians wall is, their fishing grounds still plundered by the EU, and no say in the EU rules they will have to obey, the new 28th state of federal Europe - sounds just fine to me Nicola...... can't see a problem - oh and joining the failing Euro, all fine and dandy....

Hard Border? I thought Boris was promising seamless borders with new technology and no extra checks.
Fish? I think I'd prefer the EU's environmental restrictions to the profiteering attitudes of the Tories.
A few thoughts on fishing in this article.

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/?fbclid=IwAR3jgzKucmL1RxTuSTU1I9gZS-40Dub1CHQwYSeChukf_zhK0DQFN1FsusE

Scotland would have more powers than at present (and  even more than after Brexit) if it were to become independent. See attachment.

Preferable to the 51st state of USA.

No need to adopt Euro. (Sweden has been an EU member since 1995 and has still not adopted the Euro.)

[JimSh]

- oh and joining the failing Euro, all fine and dandy....

_ oh and the pound has fallen by about 12% against the euro since the referendum.
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/12550-pound-sterling-retreats-from-euro-dollar-and-spectre-of-new-no-deal-brexit-cliff-edge

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