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Aircon Failed
« on: November 04, 2011, 09:37:01 PM »
Monday night, demisting, no cool air and the compressor (& fan) permanently on.

Wednesday - Nufink (nothing).

It must have lost all the gas, the LP switch thinks its cold so no compressor cut in. Presumably a hole in the condenser, since that faces the full anger of the road.
It must be low pressure as no fan, no fast idle etc.
I see I can get a condenser for £80 odd, then a gas-up, but that might not be the end of it. I'm minded to leave it and not bother to repair. That's the "recession-enhanced" option as somebody said.
Anyone else had this?

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Re: Aircon Failed
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 06:57:52 AM »
Mm? 6 years old. Ask your local aircon specialist about the cost of a leak test. They pump in a coloured gas to show up problems. If there are none then they should do a re-gas and guarantee no leaks within x months. Varies on supplier. If there are leaks it may not be the condensor but seals, gaskets or a hose.

A re-gas on my Mazda MX5 was £80 several years ago but the price for that seems to have come down as aircon's - and aircon specialists - have got more common.

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Re: Aircon Failed
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 10:24:07 AM »
Aircon should be run regularly year round - at very least weekly for 10 minutes throughout winter, too, I believe. This keeps seals 'tight,' reduces corrosion, minimises gas leakage and keeps the system smelling 'fresh.' I doubt that your car's handbook mentions doing this.

If you google round you'll find Honest John, among others, recommends to do this. On collecting my new car, my Honda dealer recommended leaving a/c 'on' more or less permanently adding that the extra fuel consumption with modern systems is 'tiny' and fuel cost would be far less than a/c failure. 

Far from suggesting this is at all the cause of your problem (which sounds like a holed condensor - that's very unfortunate)...  but just for everyone's information.

Best of luck with it.

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Re: Aircon Failed
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2011, 04:36:20 PM »
................... my Honda dealer recommended leaving a/c 'on' more or less permanently adding that the extra fuel consumption with modern systems is 'tiny' and fuel cost would be far less than a/c failure. 
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I would be surprised to learn that the AC compressor was rated to be run all the time - also I notice on my Jazz and my previous Civic a dulling of performance when the compressor cuts in - this must be paid for in fuel consumption?

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Re: Aircon Failed
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2011, 09:59:52 PM »
Jirams makes a valid point. And, as they say in Yorkshire, 'you don't get owt for nowt.'

It's a question of how much extra fuel is used. For my Jazz I don't know... The motoring industry traditionally claimed aircon uses  5-10% extra depending on make of car and motoring conditions. However modern aircon systems, and particularly electric ones (as my GE Jazz has, if not GD, too), are reputed to be more fuel-efficient if I recall correctly. But by how much??

Jazz does not have a particularly powerful aircon system though, as with everything (IMO) with this great all round, versatile car... it is adequate. When the fan kicks 'on', my tacho needle barely momentarily dips... markedly less than other cars I've run. So (hopefully) those are signs it may use less fuel than p'raps some other cars do.

After 20,600 miles my GE1.2 Jazz displays 54.3mpg 'average' over those miles, air con always 'on,' mixed motoring, a good part of it fully loaded and 75ish mph when on the motorway. It's the only car in our household, so it does all sorts.

Months ago, out of curiosity, I switched my aircon 'off' in the middle of pulling up a steep hill -           intentionally letting the Jazz labour a little which I wouldn't normally do - and if there was any increase in  pulling power, I'm blowed if I could tell. I tried it again on another hill, still couldn't tell.

So you might deduce that mpg with aircon is an interesting question for me, too. If anyone has a measure as to  how much extra fuel Jazz aircon uses, I'd certainly be interested to know. I should  do a comparison measure over some miles but I suspect there are too many motoring variables.

For sure, a/c systems are expensive to fix and a broken one can considerably effect resale value.

In New Zealand where I spend a deal of time, a number of people I associate with don't think twice about leaving aircon permanently 'on' throughout winter.  In fact I don't think I know anyone - private car owners, too - who switches it off. It may not be a representative sample but these particular NZers (at least) likely don't see aircon components' service life as an issue. Their fuel prices, too, are virtually same as UK when wages are taken into account. By and large, many NZ winter days are not warm enough as to require it 'on' either. But aircon does keep the interior of a car dry and windows demisted.

Nevertheless, you don't get owt for nowt as jirams has suggested. P'raps, all things considered, best policy for components' life and minimal fuel consumption is to be sure to run aircon at least 10 minutes a week throughout winter. P'raps, too, I should try to get a measure on aircon fuel consumption.

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Re: Aircon Failed
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2011, 09:04:29 PM »
I reckoned the a/c only took 1 or 2 mpg off the total. It wasn't very powerful, but was sufficient. Of course in the winter it takes less off as it a) doesn't cut/cycle in so often and b) the compressor has a lower head to pump against (since the condenser pressure is strongly proportional to ambient air temp).
I used mine regularly, at least once a week. I think I've picked up damage rather than wear and tear. I may fix it yet, aircon services are cheaper in winter. Due to its rapid demise in the space of a week I don't think anyone would try and regass it as "the machine won't let them" if it won't hold a vacuum. They must ensure against refrigerant loss to atmosphere.

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Re: Aircon Failed
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2011, 10:02:16 AM »
It can be re gassed with a refrigerant that also contains a fluorescent dye.  This enables AC engineer to trace where a leak is occuring using a UV lamp.

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Re: Aircon Failed
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2011, 07:39:25 PM »
Hi Bazzer -

I have this problem and the damage to the condenser radiator make it obvious what is the cause.  I cannot get a protective grill so I am not going to get another at £80 plus fitting.  I noted that other makes do fit a grill.

As I do not need an air conditioner - in the UK south a good heater is the important thing - I have left it, and when I changed the aux. belt used the short one to cut out the compressor completely,  thus saving on the belt and fuel.

So I think you have done the sensible thing.
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