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Dave T

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Strange hole in carpet
« on: April 12, 2026, 05:08:36 PM »
I have searched the forum and seen no one else appears to have had this problem or issue..

Mine is a 23 plated Jazz that is 3 years old in May, 17K miles.  Happy with the car...

I noticed a small hole come tear to the right of the footrest where your left foot is plonked.

It is getting bigger. It cannot be wear and tear through your foot being on it, physically impossible as you would have to drive with your left foot under the brake...

So I went to my local dealer in Bristol , where it will be serviced in May .. who looked at it and conceded impossible to be caused by a foot !  He took  some images and posted off to Honda.  Surprise,  they came back with 'Wear and Tear'  I believe this has been caused by the carpet being stretched too tight over the foot rest plate (That I am told is metal under the plastic cover) and this has stressed it on the corner and now split, and getting worse ! 

I am not naive and do not expect Honda to replace the whole carpet in side the car, but I expect Honda to offer some repair kit (Amazon gives me some clues) 

Has anyone else had this issue before I go to Honda again over the dealers head ? And anyone any good tips for a repair kit !

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2026, 06:32:03 PM »
Wear and tear after 3 years... maybe.. but after only 17k miles!! No.
5k a year is hardly anything, and certainly doesn't warrant a 'wear and tear' reason, unless you are wearing hob nailed boots while going too and from your job as a hob nailed boot tester.

My 72 plate has just reached 39k, and I wear walking boots more often than not. Not a blemish next to the foot plate, and I shift that leg about a bit when in ACC.

Dave T

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2026, 09:33:43 PM »
correct... But it is impossible to put your foot where the 'tear' 'wear' is...unless you have a death wish by placing your left foot under the brake pedal...

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2026, 10:42:58 PM »
I am no expert, but I have seen very similar damage on an old Mitsubishi Colt I owned. Not too bad when I bought it, but worsened with time into a split/ tear/ hole. I agree that it looks like a tear caused by the carpet being stretched when the footplate was fitted. Also if the  bulk of the carpet over the footwell is not really sitting well down on the floor pan, every time the driver moves his feet or pivots their heel they will transmit twisting movement to the underlying layer and add to the strain. Also it may be that if you have the fitted car mats ( that are attached by two locking lugs on my earlier Jazz) every normal fidget of your feet on the mats will similarly add lateral drag to the underlying carpet, so that it will weaken over the bend next to the footplate. This was what was happening to my Colt.
I would suggest you consult a reputable car trimmer who is a member of a trade organisation and get their advice. If they can vouch that it isn’t fair wear and tear but is a fitting error / manufacturing defect, they might give you a written note to that effect and give you a better chance of getting Honda to cough up for a new carpet or professional repair. Good Luck!

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2026, 05:32:23 AM »
Very odd

If you leave your left foot firmly on the rest and operate the brake and accelerator with just your right foot then that is not wear
Let's be careful out there !

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2026, 09:25:36 AM »
Strange. I dont think its likely  the front floor well 'carpet' could get stretched.   Its not a flat  carpet that is tailored to fit.  Its constructed as a complete shaped and contoured  fibre moulding  . (albeit with carpet like facing ) Looks to be  moulded as a complete over-shell to  fit the shape ,topography and topology  of the whole footwell and front seat area .It would be installed in one piece at the factory with limited chances of getting it wrong.   IMO.  (I am assuming the stitched edge carpet is a removable over mat.  )

Sorry but I think the most likely explanation is that as least one driver of the car  ,whilst believing they always  keep their foot  centred  wholly on the foot plate  actually  tends to overlap   partly onto the 'carpet'  moulding, causing wear and tear.    And Honda may be justified in claiming its due to the drivers habit and not therefore their responsibility. (other  opinions are available  ;D )

 
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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2026, 02:43:17 PM »
@Dave T:  Could you please post a wider range photo as well?

To me it looks like all of the carpet's edge is kind of worn thin.
Maybe Lord Voltermort's remark about driver's habits has some merit: This kind of wear (and tear) might be due to a driver regularly sliding their (hobnailed) ;)  boots over the edge rather than lifting them off the footrest.

« Last Edit: April 13, 2026, 02:59:55 PM by coldstart »

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2026, 12:25:05 AM »
I agree with Lord V and others that unwitting surface rubbing is more likely the culprit, but you never can tell..  My own experience with my Colt a few years ago made me question whether mis fitting of these mouldings might be a possible cause as well. I did a repair myself but the cause was always a bit of a mystery to me.
 I didn’t explain myself properly using the word ‘carpet’. Henceforth  I will call it coated moulded fibreglass floor covering! On my Colt the coated moulded fibreglass floor moulding seemed to split away near the footplate edge like yours and work into a hole. Lifting the moulding up without complete removal, it seemed to have been mis aligned under the footplate and I noticed the it was thinner along all the moulded edges. It didn’t sit down into the footwell perfectly and was very taught. When I lifted it, repaired the hole and improved the figment, it didn’t seem to wear again.  I did notice that the localised area near the footplate on my Colt could get quite warm when driving, either due to the position of the exhaust pipe or possibly the floor air con vents. I wondered whether heat was a factor as well, but as it didn’t happen on the passenger side, I decided heat wasn’t a main cause.  I repaired the Colts hole/ split myself by glueing a piece of surplus from under the passenger seat. I poked it through and under the hole  as an underneath patch, and touched in the edges with acrylic paints to blend the edges with the slightly speckled surface colouring of the Colts floor moulding.  I sanded the edge of the patch a bit thinner before fitting to make it look less sunken. I was going to use a file on the underneath to sand the undersurface to make a key for the glue, but saw that it was already rubbed away quite thin on the lower surface. I initially thought I must be rubbing it with my shoe. However I tend to rest my left foot on  in front of the clutch leaving a dent in the velour mats I buy for all my cars. Hence it is the surface of velour mats I wear down in front of the clutch and accelerator, not the side by the footplate which I never use. (I have small feet)  My son had a Colt as well and I drove his quite a bit, about a quarter of the time in all. His Colt had 40k on the clock when bought and 175k on it when sold but his moulded floor covering was pretty pristine. So I thought why has my floor moulding slowly worked into a hole, but I haven’t done it to his car when they are identical models. Hence my suggestion to seek a second opinion from a professional car trimmer before giving up on it as driver inflicted.
You  mentioned Honda Bristol, near to where I am based. I can’t recommend anyone these days as a professional trimmer. However when I had a classic car there was a trimmer in Claverham called Pritchard who was very helpful and could sort out anything car trimming and floor covering wise. However that was 30 years ago, but they usually have a child that takes over! Also Honda Bristol have an independent car repairer body shop on site who brings their used cars up to A1 condition. If you contact Honda and ask to speak to Lewis in the body shop he is very knowledgable and may have some opinions on cause and cure. Even if he can’t personally intervene/ assist, he may be able to advise you on someone capable of economical repair in your locality. He has done great bodywork jobs on a number of my cars with a previous firm over the years and now based at Honda to keep my cars in A1 appearance without breaking my meagre bank balance! Good Luck again

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2026, 05:24:36 AM »
As I hinted above, there are some drivers of automatics that use 2 feet driving

If you do then a left foot hovering over that area could easily continually rub that carpet area
Let's be careful out there !

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2026, 12:07:50 PM »
I had a similar problem with my first Jazz (2004 se auto) in the pedal area but not a place where you would rest your foot, the dealer took photos to send to Honda and they replaced the carpet under warranty, this occurred in the first year of ownership but the problem never reoccurred in the following 3 years of ownership, so it must have been a manufacturing problem so keep on at your dealership to sort it out.  ;D ;D

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2026, 02:20:16 PM »
Trouble is, whatever the cause, it looks like wear and tear. Somehow it's worn and is definitely torn. The question is who's going to pay for a repair, that's the problem now?

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2026, 04:37:43 PM »
Thank you to all for the various comments,  :) all well intentioned !

I can assure those that I am basically the only driver and the good old left foot stays firmly on the rest plate... it's no where near where the 'wear' to the ' split' has occurred. That foot is basically redundant ! 

It is almost impossible for your left foot to drift under the brake pedal..I have tracked down a trimmer in Somerset and I have no doubt I will pay in the end, but once I have a 'professional opinion' I will be on Hondas case..  It seems that no on else appears to have had this issue (at least on this forum) which would indicate I am bit unlucky..

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2026, 07:49:17 AM »
At first my reaction was that my left foot only rests fully on the plastic pad. However just cleaned car and noticed that the reported worn area was in fact dirty, so in my case there is obviusly a bit of rubbing when foot moved to there.

will be consciously ensuring foot lifted onto area and slid on.

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2026, 09:40:08 AM »
Good Luck… It was encouraging to learn that at least one member persuaded Honda to replace a carpet.  I would be most interested to hear what the coach trimmer in Somerset has to say and the ultimate outcome in due course if you get the opportunity. 

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Re: Strange hole in carpet
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2026, 10:17:02 AM »
I have just experimented . Its almost impossible to get in without initially placing both feet on the floor and then moving your left foot to the rest plate.  And the same in reverse when getting out. 

Some may lift their foot when moving it across,  others may ,unconsciously,  tend to drag  their foot across    . Dragging will cause wear and tear, and dirt to that vulnerable high spot ,both when getting in and getting out.    And the rate  of wear will be related more to your footwear and how often you get in and out, rather how many miles are driven with your foot correctly positioned on the footplate. 

Yes maybe Honda should redesign the plastic /rubber  footplate to also curve round the scuffed area  .At least for future production.  I  think any  remedial work  should concentrate on protecting this area with an improved footplate design, or  with hardwearing plastic/rubber , rather than an  auto upholster trying to repair it with more durable carpet.

I tend to a pragmatic view of  Hondas liability for some forms of  wear and tear.  Sometimes  particular clothing, scratchy jewellery,  a habit of resting your hand, elbow, feet, somewhere a bit unusual  , mobility difficulties etc  might increase  localised wear and tear beyond what is normal and reasonable for most owners . Should  Honda  always be responsible for what is arguably an  accelerated rate of wear?    Not always easy to judge between what is reasonable  and what is a  foreseeable design flaw, poor materials choice,  penny pinching etc . Other opinions are available  ;D
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