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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2025, 08:40:41 PM »
I tried ACC a few times early on and had issues with it thinking vehicles in adjacent lanes were in front so slowing me down

Off topic of course, but I've never experienced anything like this, it looks like your camera isn't 100% aligned...


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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2025, 05:49:26 AM »
Maybe

As I've posted before, years ago, on a motorway which is where I've only ever used it, I pulled out into an overtaking lane and even though I was a fair way behind it slowed me down to the speed of the vehicle I was overtaking.

Then when I pulled further across with offside wheels almost on the line between lanes 2 and 3 it suddenly released the block and accelerated hard to get me back to the set CC speed

I've seen a couple of other posts with similar problems

I find LIM the best option as it works just like CC used to but you need to keep the loud pedal pressed which isn't a problem

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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2025, 07:27:08 AM »
I use ACC on a regular once weekly M route, and find it easy and clever. If I come up to a slip road that enters my lane, I hit 'cancel'... and once past any merging vehicles I press the + and off I go. Similarly, if I am not happy letting the camera keep me at whatever vehicle's speed I am following, 'cancel' then floor it, and back to +.
Sometimes, I just use the accelerator to negate the ACC... all good.

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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2025, 09:13:44 AM »
ACC could be  bit 'manic' on earlier mk4's  which, once the road ahead is clear,  tend to use near  full throttle to regain any lost speed as quickly as possible. Noisy and not fuel efficient.     I tended to overide this by using  manual throttle to regain lost speed more gradually  before allowing ACC to resume  the 'donkey work' .

This has been improved and toned down  on 'Facelift' cars from 2023 which now regains speed briskly enough but without revving the nuts off the engine. :o

I use ACC quite a lot and find it very useful, not just saving you having  a foot on the 'loud' pedal.  It reacts to the presence of other vehicles , and can sometimes  be hesitant about t a vehicle in an adjacent lane ,and might take a few seconds  before it 'decides' the road ahead is indeed clear of vehicles before regaining speed .Even though the driver may know its ok. It errs on the side of caution.

 Conversely an experienced driver may sense from the behaviour of other drivers, or circumstances, that they may be about to  change lane suddenly, or you may spot traffic stopping ahead before the ACC radar would detect anything happening.  . So you need to work with the system, know its limitations, and treat it as a drivers aid ,not a self driving car.   But ultimately ,worldwide a few crashes and  and deaths may be prevented  when a driver loses concentration, or is slow to react . You may drive for a lifetime and not need it,but the same could be said of a seatbelt.
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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2025, 01:49:32 PM »
I have a theory: Maybe when your car was new, it had been idling a lot at the dealership, burning petrol without moving anywhere. That could explain your high initial consumption 8.2 l/100km. The car has calculated this 8.2 l/100km averaged over the first 240 km that the car has ever driven. Now that you have driven more (600 km), the average has dropped to 5.3 l/100km.

I suggest to reset the trip meter, so the car would start calculating the average consumption from scratch, removing the possible effects of whatever happened at the dealership.

So I tried it and it apparently helped.A few days ago I reset both odometers and also reset the driving cycle value (Econ).
And the result is here, see the attached pictures.

If I calculate the consumption based on refueling and kilometers traveled, then my consumption comes out to be about 3.9l/100km.
The next time I refuel, I'll register at SpritMonitor and see it more accurately.
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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2025, 02:33:40 PM »
Forget Eco, it dulls the throttle so you need to press harder

I've always achieved better MPG with it off and using a light right foot
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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2025, 05:59:05 PM »
Forget Eco, it dulls the throttle so you need to press harder

ECO only the changes the characteristics of the throttle (there is no direct connection to the engine!)

imho it all boils down to personal taste - and I kind of like the "dulled" throttle response.
Even in ECO-mode the Jazz is by far the most "responsive" car I've ever owned and I'm not feeling to "miss out".

I found its drive train to perfectly support my preferred anticipatory and relaxed driving style (which is an additional bonus at the
petrol station - and:  my tyre vendor hates me for it) :D

(btw I'm about 6 mpg ahead of you) :D ;)


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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2025, 09:21:10 PM »
I'm a NORMAL guy, but that is a matter of opinion. ECO to me just makes the car feel duller, and offers no mpg advantage, i've tested it.  :o. I'm also a D kinda guy.  Use B on steep downhills, thats it.   :)

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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2025, 09:25:16 PM »
I'm a NORMAL guy, but that is a matter of opinion. ECO to me just makes the car feel duller, and offers no mpg advantage,

imho it all boils down to personal taste - and I kind of like the "dulled" throttle response.

As I said: It is a matter of taste!   -   no offense!   -   (I still prefer the "dulled" mode)  :D

(and I seem to have the "advantage" of quite a few mpg over you as well) ;) - just a small hint for you: cabin heat is an absolute killer for mpg in the cold!



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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2025, 10:43:53 PM »
cabin heat is an absolute killer for mpg in the cold!
Indeed it is. Especially on short city trips when Jazz can't stay in EV mode, because the cabin requires heat from the petrol engine. But on long motorway cruises the cabin heat shouldn't affect MPG much, because the petrol engine is running most of the time anyway producing plenty of waste heat.

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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2025, 05:12:52 AM »
My MPG is what it is because since moving my normal max journey is only 5 miles

I did go out last week to top up the HV battery as the car had stood for 3 weeks and on that 50 mile journey it returned just over 70mpg
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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2025, 05:50:49 AM »

I did go out last week to top up the HV battery as the car had stood for 3 weeks...

Oh, can the HV battery be recharged? How and where?
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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2025, 07:28:53 AM »
The only way we can charge it is to go out for a run of at least 30 miles/minutes at least once every 3 months according to the manual :

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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2025, 09:08:30 AM »
There is also another way to recharge the HV battery, by putting gear selector to park (P), and then holding the accelerator pedal floored down for longer than 10 seconds. The engine starts and begins charging the HV battery as long as you keep the pedal floored.

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Re: Fuel Consumption
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2025, 08:26:58 AM »
ECO only the changes the characteristics of the throttle (there is no direct connection to the engine!)
ECO also widens the acceptable difference between target and actual cabin temperature before the system turns on the engine to provide cabin heating.
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