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Boanerges

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I've been mugged!
« on: December 22, 2010, 10:45:15 AM »
In anticipation of doing the tappets over the holiday, I've just been to my local Honda dealer to pick up the gaskets that, according to the Haynes manual, I shall need.

Now I know why Honda dealers put seats near the spares counter!

EGR plate gasket: £12.17
4 x inlet manifold port gaskets at £6.35 ea: £25.40
VAT: £6.57
Total: £44.14

Hell's bells! The EGR gasket is quite complex but the port seals are just rubber rings that can only cost pennies to produce. How do they justify these rip-off prices and is it really essential to replace these parts every 25,000 miles?

Brian  :o


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Re: I've been mugged!
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2010, 10:59:04 AM »
You have been mugged twice actually >:(,

The first time was when they told you that the tappets need adjusting frequently on the GD :(

The second time was when you purchased the parts :o.

We have two Jazz 1.4 GD in the family, both nearly 80K and tappets never been touched, performance, petrol consumption and MOT emissions absolutely spot on.

When they fitted a cam chain to the Jazz I surmise that Honda substituted the tappet adjustment for the cam belt change to keep their workshops in business :D
« Last Edit: December 22, 2010, 11:01:14 AM by culzean »
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2010, 11:04:34 AM »
My 04 S has 145,000 and the tappets have never been adjusted :D

Emissions and mpg are fine.

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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2010, 12:58:26 PM »
I suppose I'm just one of those anally retentive people who likes to do things by the book so if the schedule says to check the tappets every 25,000 miles then I'd feel uncomfortable not doing it at the prescribed interval.

The real blow will come though if, after stripping everything out to gain access (someone said 47 nuts and bolts have to be undone - gulp) I find that the clearances are all within specification. I'm now praying that they are in desperate need of adjustment.

I hear what you say about 'routine maintenance' that is not really necessary. According to the Vauxhall service schedule, my Astra G 1800 Convertible is supposed to need a cambelt change at 80,000 miles but the main dealers say it should be done regardless of mileage every four years including replacement of the water pump, belt tensioner and coolant because 'rubber belts deteriorate with age'. All that doesn't come cheap and a good old-fashioned timing chain would have saved a lot of hassle.

Cars nowadays are so much more reliable and maintenance free than when I started motoring in the 1960s.  My Morris Minor, for example, needed greasing every 1000 miles; the Beetle needed an oil change every 3000 miles and I was forever changing points, plugs and condensers and setting tappets on Fords, Hillmans and Renaults throughout the 70s and 80s. By contrast, modern cars always seem to start first time and only need an annual oil and filter change so I shouldn't complain.

It's all swings and roundabouts but I'm a Yorkshireman and paying £6+ for what is basically a rubber bloody O ring really goes against the grain! 

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Re: I've been mugged!
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2010, 01:01:04 PM »
You have been mugged twice actually >:(,

The first time was when they told you that the tappets need adjusting frequently on the GD :(

The second time was when you purchased the parts :o.

We have two Jazz 1.4 GD in the family, both nearly 80K and tappets never been touched, performance, petrol consumption and MOT emissions absolutely spot on.

When they fitted a cam chain to the Jazz I surmise that Honda substituted the tappet adjustment for the cam belt change to keep their workshops in business :D

Why did you cam chain have to be done at below 80K, thought they were a life long item, unless they snap of course!!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2010, 05:12:52 PM »
Apparently it costs a car manufacturer a £1,000 a year just to have a part number on their system and the part in stock. Which is why often you can now only buy the complete part and not the individual items.

Plus spare parts prices are not related to actually cost. It is what they can get away with. Parts are a good revenue stream for them.

The only exception will be parts that can effect low speed repairability insurance rating.

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Re: I've been mugged!
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2010, 11:02:08 AM »
Why did you cam chain have to be done at below 80K, thought they were a life long item, unless they snap of course!!!!!

Rick - Where on earth did you get the idea that the cam chain had to be replaced below 80K, I never said that in my post.

Cam chain is fine, but they will need replacing eventually. What I said was that when Honda fitted a cam chain instead of a belt they lost the normal business that they would get from replacing it every 60K, so they had to come up with another 'reason' to get work to keep their workshops busy, which they did by saying tappets needed looking at every 25K, and backed it up with the dire warning that your emissions would be so bad if you didn't get it done that your car may fail its MOT test.  There is no way of proving if Honda actually even take the rocker cover off or bother checking the clearances when the car goes in, you can't actually see that anything has been done for the up to £350 that it can cost.
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Re: I've been mugged!
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2010, 01:31:45 PM »
Why did you cam chain have to be done at below 80K, thought they were a life long item, unless they snap of course!!!!!

Rick - Where on earth did you get the idea that the cam chain had to be replaced below 80K, I never said that in my post.

Cam chain is fine, but they will need replacing eventually. What I said was that when Honda fitted a cam chain instead of a belt they lost the normal business that they would get from replacing it every 60K, so they had to come up with another 'reason' to get work to keep their workshops busy, which they did by saying tappets needed looking at every 25K, and backed it up with the dire warning that your emissions would be so bad if you didn't get it done that your car may fail its MOT test.  There is no way of proving if Honda actually even take the rocker cover off or bother checking the clearances when the car goes in, you can't actually see that anything has been done for the up to £350 that it can cost.
My apologies culzean I obviously misread the post. What do you reckon out of a camchain then. I replaced one on my motorcycle at 50k, was getting it a little rattley????

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Re: I've been mugged!
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2010, 05:50:46 PM »
I suppose I'm just one of those anally retentive people who likes to do things by the book so if the schedule says to check the tappets every 25,000 miles then I'd feel uncomfortable not doing it at the prescribed interval.

I`m the same. Anyway, the book came with my car says the maintenance should be at every 24,000 miles, not 25,000, http://www.mediafire.com/?mqn1hr3y1lc7skw.

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Re: I've been mugged!
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2010, 07:58:39 AM »
I seem to recall we have been over this ground before and I share the view that this is a revenue-maker more than a necessity. However well done to Boanerges.

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