2nd generation mk4 not as good as 1st

[Popdufc]

Had my jazz ex since August 23. 2nd jazz 4th generation.  First one was new August 2020. I'm not feeling ant improvements and even not as happy tyres are not good in wet, slippy conditions. Extra power possibly doesn't help. Lane assist is not nearly as accurate. I have to intervene regularly when on motorway. Red rear seat warning is annoying too. I should go 8nto the settings and fix it.

[coldstart]

...  tyres are not good in wet, slippy conditions. ....

May I ask if you are talking about the Yokohama BlueEarth tyres?
Unfortunately Honda keeps installing these (they seem to hate their customers).
I had mine swaped on purchase with Michelin Primacy 4+ and am quite happy with them.

[aphybrid]

My car came with Dunlop Ensave EC300 - Nov 21.

Very much not impressed with the wet performance of these, snow ice really poor.

Looking to all season tyres at change - Falken AS210?

[Nicksey]

I have had no problem with the Yohohamas. I have driven in wet conditions and recently snow. I don't hang about when driving, although in wet/snow conditions I drive sensibly and with caution. I have tried braking suddenly, and the tyres worked well. I will probably replace with the same or try the Falken, as my local tyre fitters do these cheaper than the Yokas.

[FMIB]

I drove mine with the Yokohama tyres in some seriously wet adverse conditions on a series of motorways the other week. Everything from standing water, extreme rain and spray.
I must say I was a little surprised at just how well the car and the tyres handled the conditions and i would possibly consider them again when the time came for replacement.

As for lane assist, I can't imagine it being any worse. Seems reasonable on the motorway the limited times I tried it, a must switch off option on any country road with no road markings.

[Kenneve]

I'm sorry, but I believe the title of this post does a great disservice to the Jazz brand, when all of the concerns listed, amount purely to personal choice!
For me, the 2nd generation Mk4 represents Jazz No7, having started back in 2010 with an I-shift Jazz, before moving on to several CVT models and a 1st generation Mk4.
In my view the Jazz keeps getting better and better, yes there are still one or two niggles, again for me, RDMS is annoying, but that is common to most of the previous cars and I can live with that.
I've had this MK4 Advance since July 23 and Fuel consumption, in spite of the increased power is still excellent as can be seen in the attached photo, 67.2 MPG in just under 5000 miles. Yes I can do better (or worse) on individual trips, but again for me it is the overall consumption that matters.
I guess coming up to 87, this will be my last Jazz, but watch this space!

[Lord Voltermore]

I agree with Kenneve.  We may complain about individual niggles, and the learning curve needed to master complex technology .We may wish for some things to be different  ,and for a bigger car etc.  No car is perfect.  Most Mk4 owners are very impressed with it. Its a pleasure to drive. 

Many of the cars  clever tricks can be adjusted  for levels, or switched off.  A different car will behave differently, until you adjust things . 

As for Yokohama Blue eath tyres.    All tyres are a compromise . None are best at everything.  In the group test reviews  conducted  by various  magazines and motoring clubs  you often get different results for the same tyres in wet weather tests etc.   Sometimes the test  is carried out at a test track owned by  a tyre manufacturer. Its no surprise that particular makers tyre tends to do well in the tests.  It was developed and optimised on that track. (lets assume the testers  have not been influenced by advertising revenue    )   If similar  wet and  dry tests are carried out at a different track the same tyre often drops down the pecking order  against the same rivals.   Probably due to the a different type of road surface  and /  or ambient temperature.   In the real world you get various temperatures and road surface types.  You will be hard pressed to find a tyre that comes out on top in all circumstances.   

I currently run Blue earths in the summer ,but only  until they wear out.  I am happy enough with them  . But  I prefer my  Goodyear Vector all seasons, and will be happy to use them all summer.   I accept they might not stop quite as well  as the Yokos in ideal  summer conditions.  Thats  a compromise you have to make.There will probably be summer tyres that perform even better than the Yokos,in certain situations but maybe not others.      But all seasons have a significant advantage over summer tyres  in the colder months. Of which there are quite a few.

[coldstart]

Regarding the Yokohama BlueEarth AE01 tyres which my Advance was delivered with:

see, what others have to say:
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Yokohama/BluEarth-AE01.htm

compared to Michelin:
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Michelin/Primacy-4-Plus.htm

This explains, why our Jazz is usally bad at braking (roughly 38m for 100km/h (=62,5 mph) to 0 simply doesn't cut it!
I think this is largely owed to Honda's choice of tyres.

see e.g. the test made by ADAC (sorry about the german - "Bremsweg" means braking distance)
https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/honda/honda-jazz/

On my previous car I had these and was extremely happy with them. Unfortunately they are unavailable in the Jazz's dimension:
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-Asymmetric-6.htm

So, believe me, I do know how a good tyre feels!  (and the Yokohama BlueEarth AE01 is just middle class by all means)

[FMIB]

As Lord Voltermore says, different tests, different sizes, different testers, different car and you get different results.

As for the reviews:
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Yokohama/BluEarth-AE01.htm
Most of the tests are now 9 years old and I would not be surprised if the compounds have been improved as technology has improved. Similar for the comments, most are 5 years or older.

For me, I don't get why more cars in the UK are not fitted from new with All-Season tyres, which seem appropriate for the typical UK weather. Ok I get they are not the best at anything, but a good around compromise.
Just search out the test results on some of the new very low rolling resistance tyres targeted for EV's,  scary wet weather performance which would make the Jazz's tyres look like ultra high performance tyres

Not saying the Yokohama is a good or bad tyre, but for the expected target use of the Jazz, they are ok.

I had the original Jazz, (maybe around 2002) for a few years and from memory and the Mk4 is a massive step forward in all areas from my experience. Can't imagine the mild face lift is a retro step

[Jazzik]

For me, I don't get why more cars in the UK are not fitted from new with All-Season tyres, which seem appropriate for the typical UK weather. Ok I get they are not the best at anything, but a good around compromise.

I agree with that. The quality of all-season tyres has improved considerably in recent years and would be an excellent standard tyre for the majority of users in many European countries.
The dealer agreed, as part of the deal, to deliver our new Jazz on the all-season tyres of our choice (Vredestein Quatrac).

[Whiteshark]

At the end of that tyre choice by the manufacturer will be determined by price, alone. All seasons tyres are  a relatively new product in the market place , and I am sure when they become mainstream they will be fitted because the price will have reduced. However, as demonstrated here owners have exercised their preference and paid for an upgrade.
Of course it depends where you live, the type of driving you will do, and I have agonised over this, but, for me if it snows or is icy, I don’t drive. I am fortunate that I am able to walk into a City with all availability. I therefore am happy with the standard fit tyre. However if I keep a vehicle long enough all seasons would be sensible, on replacement.
I also think that we are Jazz drivers and generally not known to drive to extremes. The tyre tests as published all go to extremes, and I am sure are biased.
I have always been content with Honda’s overall selection, which for me, meets my requirements. Others may differ, which is why good competition provides an alternative.

[Lord Voltermore]

It has a lot to do with which tyre manufacturer gives them the best price,.  But also its 'Eco' credentials. If a particular type of tyre gives  very slightly lower co2 emissions per KM and slightly better fuel consumption they will use that tyre for its official homologation classification testing .  I think there is then a limitation on which type of tyres they can fit at the factory.     This tyre may be the best for the tests but not necessarily the best tyre in the real world.   

  I think this is also one reason why  the manufacturers recommended tyre pressure is higher now than in the past.. They have to quote the high pressure they used  to get the best test results. A slightly lower pressure may be equally  safe and more comfortable, but increases fuel consumption etc.   

I think there was a car a few years ago which could just get under the 100 g limit for   tax and  eco zone access advantages  but only when it was fitted with special  extra narrow  wheels and  tyres .  It could be supplied with  'Normal 'tyres as an option but this tipped it into a higher tax and eco band  and this was recorded on its registration documents.   
     

[embee]

...But also its 'Eco' credentials. If a particular type of tyre gives  very slightly lower co2 emissions per KM and slightly better fuel consumption they will use that tyre for its official homologation classification testing .  I think there is then a limitation on which type of tyres they can fit at the factory.     This tyre may be the best for the tests but not necessarily the best tyre in the real world.   
...
   

Exactly this.
I used to work in powertrain engineering at car manufacturers, rolling resistance was a fundamental issue regarding emissions/economy certification, especially for larger cars which were always fairly near the limits. Different world markets have different regulations and manufacturers make different choices depending on where the car is going. I suspect it is unlikely that all-season tyres will become standard factory fitment any time soon.

[CB72]

Do we know if the Yokohama Blueearth has been specifically optimised by the tyre manufacturer for use on the Jazz? Or has Honda just done a best mates deal with them.