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guest1793

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Jazz Sport CVT and snow
« on: December 09, 2010, 03:36:43 PM »
Okay I love my Jazz with the CVT box but does anyone else find it is just plain awful in the snow?
I am 90% certain the issue is the tyres 185-55-15's but the cvt box sure does not help.
Even in manual mode it overrides your decisions and downshifts or upshifts right when you do not want it to.   >:(

Anyone any advice on how to tame this car on snow?

p.s. I am no idiot and I consider myself a reasonable driver on the snow.  I have driven all sorts of cars and honestly my Jazz really is terrible in the snow and roads which I know I could get my civic to go on quite happily the jazz just gets stuck.

I am looking into getting steel wheels with snow tyres but asides from that any advice?

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Re: Jazz Sport CVT and snow
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 07:24:08 PM »
What make/model of tyres are currently fitted as that may be a factor too?

guest1793

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Re: Jazz Sport CVT and snow
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2010, 08:18:20 AM »
Mitchellin Energy saving ones.

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Re: Jazz Sport CVT and snow
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2010, 09:05:03 AM »
I don't think that you can blame Michelin Energy savers entirely, as I have 'normal' profile Michelin energy savers on a manual Jazz GD and never have a problem in snow, also the best part of my wifes otherwise terrible Fiat Punto (long gone due to terrible build quality and unreliability) was the CVT box, which was surprisingly good in snow. 

I would blame the lower profile and wider tyres, which will cause any car (even a Land-rover) to be bad in snow.
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Re: Jazz Sport CVT and snow
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 12:07:35 PM »
Yep, I'd agree with Culzean, it's the wide tyres causing the problem. Our Jazz had standard size Michelin Energys on last winter and it ploughed through the snow and ice without too much trouble at all!

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Re: Jazz Sport CVT and snow
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 02:12:01 PM »
Albeit on another make of car, I've had Michelin Energy Savers and found them to be pretty good on snow. The fact they were less than half-worn would have been a major factor.

High gear and low revs always helps in snow and other slippery conditions... this keeps torque low thus reducing the likelihood of wheelspin. Sounds like your 'misbehaving' CVT may not easily allow you to achieve this. CVT aside, I have found my manual Jazz on its stock (summer) Dunlops (175/65/15) to be excellent in snow.

Given the weight of the vehicle - the wider the tyre, the greater the contact patch and therefore the lower the weight/downward pressure per square inch. This reduces potential for traction in snow on the road.

On very snowy roads 10 days ago, on two separate days I saw a motorist - probably an enthusiast -
in a car dating from the early 1940's. Big diameter wheels, narrow rubber, lazy power delivery from an 'olden-days' long stroke, low-revving engine and he appeared superior to almost everything else around him. In, around and out of a deserted pub carpark, he appeared to be driving around just for the fun of it.

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Re: Jazz Sport CVT and snow
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 07:57:14 AM »
Ivy was it one of those old Austin 1800 " land crab" i had one of those and found it fantastic in snow  ???

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Re: Jazz Sport CVT and snow
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 05:14:02 PM »
To keep the revs low when pulling away from stationary put it in manual mode and select 2nd gear before you move off.

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 10:16:29 PM »
Its the tyres...
I've put winter tyres on mine. Bought from mytyres.com 4 steel wheels with Nankang winter tyres, 175/65/R14 to swap out with the standard alloys at 185/55 R15. The difference is amazing. I reckon the grip on compacted snow is 4 times as much (I exagerate not) - traction is amazing and you can brake almost normally before the ABS cuts in. But the biggest surprise is grip on cold wet roads. It sticks like nothing else I've driven in the wet. Whereas before you could easily get wheelspin entering a busy roundabout, now you have to be reckless to get it to break away. Floor it in 2nd round the roundabout and the speed just picks up, no inside wheel spin and when it eventually slides it still tries to tuck back in, rather than that give-up feeling I got with the summer Bridgestones. Brake hard and the front just digs in.

I was driving my Volvo in the snow until these tyres came, now I feel safer in the Honda. I would thoroughly recommend winter tyres, especially if you commute on the motorways etc in the winter. I never thought they would make that much difference.

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