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zesty_bum

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Limiting/slowing down rust
« on: June 23, 2023, 03:49:31 PM »
Hello, hope you are doing well!

I'm just wondering what folks do to prevent/slow down rust - particularly on the underside of the Jazz?

The roads are probably going to get pretty salty and rough in a few months (in the UK), and I don't want to wait until autumn/winter to take some steps now.

I'm also wondering if the components on the underside of the Jazz are made from galvanised steel? Apparently that helps to slow the rust down.

Thanks in advance  :)
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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2023, 05:51:52 PM »
i just use kurst and then prime and paint over any brown spot i see especially on the bottom of the sills and wheel arches and as my car is white i can see rust forming quicker than a darker colour

another place to look is the rear tow eye and the hangers on the exhaust welded patches

im hoping to keep this jazz basically forever and i do keep a regular look especially the sills

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2023, 07:14:58 PM »
Rear wheel arches, rear suspension mounting points, rear brake lines, rear subframe, rear petrol filler pipes .
Cover all in Dinitrol 4941..or similar. (Waxoil is useless - washes away)
Exhaust VHT paint after wire brush.
Our 20 year old Yaris rust free and original exhaust.. ditto 11 year old Jazz.  And signs of rust on non water prone areas? Waxoil.

Pit or ramp helps.
Front Mud flaps essential. Stones and salty water destroy paint and galvanising.

Check every three years.

zesty_bum

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2023, 02:12:46 PM »
Great, thank you so much for the responses - this really is super useful. Your cars are very lucky to have you  :o I don't think I've ever come across a car that's 20 years old and is rust free!

I will probably take the Jazz to a garage and ask them to do this - how long would you estimate this job would take? Unfortunately I don't have the equipment to do it myself (and I'm risk averse  :-\)

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2023, 02:33:19 PM »
According to my European Warrantee Conditions Honda Jazz. Chassis corrosion 10 years/structural corrosion 12 years from the inside/ surface corrosion3 years/ with dealer 12 month inspections !

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2023, 07:08:07 AM »
When I  get an anti-corrosion treatment for a car I usually take it there on Friday morning and get it back on Tuesday evening. They first wash the underbody on Friday, then it gets weekend to dry and they can make the actual treatment on Monday, and finally Tuesday for giving the stuff time to cure and for cleaning the car.

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2023, 12:20:19 PM »
call in to you local industrial site as k around the garages they will get a local specialist to underseal/rustproof car rather than do it themselves.

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2023, 01:01:21 PM »
When I  get an anti-corrosion treatment for a car I usually take it there on Friday morning and get it back on Tuesday evening. They first wash the underbody on Friday, then it gets weekend to dry and they can make the actual treatment on Monday, and finally Tuesday for giving the stuff time to cure and for cleaning the car.

I think I'll go down this route - thanks for sharing this. How often do you get this treatment done?

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2023, 01:04:24 PM »
According to my European Warrantee Conditions Honda Jazz. Chassis corrosion 10 years/structural corrosion 12 years from the inside/ surface corrosion3 years/ with dealer 12 month inspections !

Thanks for sharing this - very interesting. I bought my used 2019 Jazz recently with a 12-month Honda Warranty.

I will definitely follow this up with the dealer. Important to know what coverage the manufacturer provides for corrosion (especially as I bought it used, and not sure if the warranty you mentioned gets passed on to subsequent car owners).

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2023, 03:38:02 PM »
When I  get an anti-corrosion treatment for a car I usually take it there on Friday morning and get it back on Tuesday evening. They first wash the underbody on Friday, then it gets weekend to dry and they can make the actual treatment on Monday, and finally Tuesday for giving the stuff time to cure and for cleaning the car.

I think I'll go down this route - thanks for sharing this. How often do you get this treatment done?
Every third or fourth year for daily drivers.

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2023, 07:21:40 AM »
A full underside rustproofing treatment  sounds like a good idea  ,and those selling the service will certainly tell you it is .  But its probably not going to be cheap.
I have only looked at one example  , on the following website.I am not recommending it in any way. Others may be cheaper or better

https://www.rust.co.uk/product/half-day-rust-proofing-service-price-list/

They sell the materials separately for diy but offer a service  to treat the car.   For the full treatment for a car the  size of a Jazz, it costs £575 +vat, which in the real world means £690.  :o   This includes (they say) removing loose underseal,plastic trays, spraying cavities, and treating any surface rust. it takes 2 days. They do offer partial treatments for less, but its  still expensive.  They dont offer any guarantee on cars over 3 years old and recommend  some retreatment every 2 years 

The film they use is called Norwegian Corrolan  made with lanolin from sheeps wool. applied as a spray or a hot mist. Nice if you are a sheep but likely to be a washaway product imo. 

But I would not have it done.  At least not by professionals.    I am all for treating rust as soon as it appears  , or taking early action against stone chips etc.    But cant help thinking  £690  plus  any subsequent treatments might be better spent  on buying a newer car that much sooner.  . Sell the old one whiles its stlll got some life left in it for the next owner.   

     I bought my first brand new car, a Nova, in 1984.   I saw recently that good examples are now regarded as classics selling for £5000 +    The Pam Ayres Poem "I wish i'd looked after me teeth"  came to mind.       But the reality would have been driving around in an increasingly older obsolete  car for 30 years (or better still not driving it much) until it became a rarity.

Had I bought a brand new mark1 jazz in 2002  and spent  lot of money keeping it pristine, I'd still be hankering for a fuel efficient and quiet Mk4  if my depleted funds allowed.  .  It would be someone else that would benefit from buying an old car thats rust free.      I know some will be horrified at my attitude  :-[  Its a personal choice.


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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2023, 07:54:19 AM »
If you have an after-market rust treatment (whether professional or DIY), does that affect your Honda anti-corrosion warranty? In general, if you have any sort of repair work (eg accident damage), Honda will insist that in order to maintain the warranty it should be done by a repair centre approved by them and use OEM parts. Not sure how that works for the anti-corrosion warranty, might be a good idea to check with the dealer.

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2023, 08:08:05 AM »
If you have an after-market rust treatment (whether professional or DIY), does that affect your Honda anti-corrosion warranty? In general, if you have any sort of repair work (eg accident damage), Honda will insist that in order to maintain the warranty it should be done by a repair centre approved by them and use OEM parts. Not sure how that works for the anti-corrosion warranty, might be a good idea to check with the dealer.
Probably will. The requirement for regular body inspections keeps you tied to  expensive dealer servicing, which helps fund any claims that may be made, and they would look for any excuse to refuse paying out such as unauthorised treatments and body repairs.   
Also the small print may exclude surface rust and limit it to perforated metal , which is far less likely  within 10 years. 
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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2023, 08:40:53 AM »
My method : summarised above - i only to deal with critical areas and those that develop rust in later life. No need to do the entire car.

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Re: Limiting/slowing down rust
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2023, 09:57:46 AM »
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The requirement for regular body inspections keeps you tied to  expensive dealer servicing

This is not correct in my experience.  Post the 5 year maintenance package on my previous Mk2, I booked in the corrosion inspection at my local Honda dealer at no charge, and had the service done at a local specialist.

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