Crosstar: space saver spare wheel

[Ceej]

Hi. Has anyone bought one yet?
If so, where from? Would like to get one for some longer trips in the UK and a trip to France. Don't mind using up some boot space and for the trip abroad will likely have a seat folded too.
Merci tous.

[sportse]

Kwik fit seem to do one that’s compatible with my ordinary EX:

RH004 Road Hero 15" 125/80/15 - £206.50

They may also do a crosstar version.

I haven’t put one in my car - I had official space saver accessories in both my Auris and V40 and never used them.

If I get a puncture it’s likely that Honda assist will come out as the tyre goo isn’t much use.

With space savers you have the problem of what to do with the full size wheel you have taken off.

[DERMOT]

Do any of the Jazz mk2 or mk3 wheels fit the mk4 (15" ).  assume Honda  would not change offsets for mk4. I know prev posts have pointed to mk4_specific steel.rims. But  would visit to breakers yard suffice.

[aphybrid]

Hi. Has anyone bought one yet?
If so, where from? Would like to get one for some longer trips in the UK and a trip to France. Don't mind using up some boot space and for the trip abroad will likely have a seat folded too.
Merci tous.

Like originator of post I wanted a spare for 'critical' journeys - like going to airport for holidays.
I bought a Crosstar wheel on ebay from a Honda dealer for £150, it has a small surface blemish on the silver part like an improperly adhering lacquer, looks like spotted on new car and replaced at customers request. Ifitted same tyre as on car and carry it in a wheel bag bought  on Amazon. Carry this together with boxed Halfords trolley and extending
 brace in rear passengers side with seat up for such critical journeys. Usually only two of us on journey so no capacity problems.

[Lord Voltermore]

Do any of the Jazz mk2 or mk3 wheels fit the mk4 (15" ).  assume Honda  would not change offsets for mk4. I know prev posts have pointed to mk4_specific steel.rims. But  would visit to breakers yard suffice.

When I was investigating OEM quality steel rims made by Alcar, I found that they made two  versions , BOTH  with exactly the same   key measurements.  ie   6x15  ,et50  4x100  and centre bore  of 56.1  . Ie apparently  suitable for a Jazz.

However their model  4025  is certified suitable for the   Jazz up to 2019  (and a few other makes of car )  .

Their model 4026 is certified for Jazz from 2020 - ie the mk4.   (IIRC it might also be back certified for the mk3. but does not list any other car .)
    I  have not spoken to an expert,  but I cannot see why Alcar would  make a new model just for the mk4 jazz unless there was a good reason  (such as brake clearance)

Here is a company in Germany that sells both types (But probably no shipping to uk.) 
https://www.reifen-anton.de/felgen/alcar-4026-6x15-et50-4x100-498374.html   

 In the past I have viewed  the makers fitting certificates for both types  from this site, but when I tried today it came up as not secure, blah blah, so I didnt.

But the proof of the pudding is in the fitting.  Better I think  to actually visit a scrapyard and  test fit the wheel on the mk4 ,both front and rear, to ensure it fits without fouling the brakes . Rather than ordering one by mail order. 

I'd be very interested to know the result if anyone has done this. 

Anyone thinking of a space saver dont forget  to check whether you will need a set of tapered wheel nuts.   My yaris had a space saver from new.Toyota included a set of tapered wheel bolts, as the alloys had flat faced bolts.

[sportse]

For people with space savers, how are you securing them in the boot? I assume with ratchet straps connected to the cargo attachment points?

I use my underfloor storage cubby almost every day, so need to keep access available to it.

[Lord Voltermore]

For people with space savers, how are you securing them in the boot? I assume with ratchet straps connected to the cargo attachment points?

I use my underfloor storage cubby almost every day, so need to keep access available to it.

Good point.Even a spacesaver can be heavy for regular lifting   and thought needs to be given to securing it for ICBM reasons  (In car ballistic missile  )

Like the others I was only thinking of carrying a spare for certain journeys. Mine will probably be a full sized spare. I have done a quick check with a yaris wheel. (same size tyres) . There is a curve at the rear that allows it to lay flat (ish)  on the boot floor with the seats up.

   My provisional  cunning plan is on those journeys to use the under floor cubby hole only for stuff I am unlikely to need  such as tools,maybe the jack  etc.   Then the wheel ,ratchetted down.Face down so there is cubby hole space within the wheel centre. Then a thin false floor on top. Even with a full sized spare  this leaves 20cm or so space above the tyre to the  parcel shelf .  It doesnt sound much but its  enough to lay a suitcase on top, and almost as much as my Yaris had anyway.
There will only be the two of us, so  there are other options for the wheel or surplus luggage such as seats down, using the spacious rear floor well ,magic seats etc.,    At other times its squirty stuff or the phone.

[Beaver]

I was in a dealership yesterday ordering a Jazz EX.   One of the questions I asked related to whether the Jazz could be jacked up by the roadside for a wheel change.

The reason I asked was having read a motoring article (no, I don't have a link) some months ago about some full EV's having their warranties voided if wheel changing took place in this manner.   The article stated that some full EV's will need to be recovered flat and level to a workshop that could lift the vehicle, keeping it level for a wheel change, as jacking on a corner could flex and distort the battery box.

The salesman I spoke to went to have a word with the techs, who said that they didn't think it was a problem for the hybrid Jazz and Crosstar model, but weren't 100% sure.   I guess the answer will be in the vehicle manual, but I don't have access to one. 

[Jazzik]

Here is your manual: https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/manuals-and-guides/honda-owners-manuals/_jcr_content/par1/textcolumnwithimagem_1653971839/textColumn/richtextdownload_90f/file.res/2021%20Jazz%20Owner%60s%20Manual.pdf

Jacking points at page 606.

[Lord Voltermore]

The battery in a full ev can weigh 500kg.   I wouldnt want to use a corner sill  jacking point on any car if it still had 5 big men sitting in it.      So some full EV's might not have approved jacking points (or  spare wheel)  and it would be risky trying to jack these  up in this way. In my experience a lot of tyre fitting places still go straight for the sills with trolley jacks.  Lets hope they know about EV's. 

The Jazz has jacking points  . But because Honda dont provide a jack  its important to chose one that correctly fits the jacking point.  It needs to bear the weight in the correct places without slipping, or denting anything. Ideally a genuine Honda one,  but others with the same design of lifting plate may be suitable .   If using a trolly jack  it may be advisable to use a rubber jack pad.   Something like this, although this particular one may not be the most suitable size or design for the jazz or the jack.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275175786119?hash=item4011c14687:g:~1cAAOSwQY1iFKg5

[culzean]

I tried using a trolley jack before,  but unless the wheels on the jack can roll on a smooth, hard surface ( like concrete ) the arm of the jack tends to try and slide off the jacking point, or the rear end of the jack body lifts off the ground making it unstable ( unlike a scissor jack which has a 'straight lift' the arm of a trolley jack moves in an arc, and the body of the jack has to move on its wheels to allow the lifting pad to stay firm on the jacking point ).  I wouldn't mind a vertical lift hydraulic jack, but even when fully retracted they are too tall to fit under the jacking point, bottle jacks also work well and are safe, but again too tall when retracted to fit under jacking point.  i just keep my scissor jack well lubed to make turning the handle easier.... an used an axle stand to back up the jack. 

[Beaver]

Here is your manual: https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/manuals-and-guides/honda-owners-manuals/_jcr_content/par1/textcolumnwithimagem_1653971839/textColumn/richtextdownload_90f/file.res/2021%20Jazz%20Owner%60s%20Manual.pdf

Jacking points at page 606.

Thank you for posting the link.

[Lord Voltermore]

This is how I shall be carrying a full size spare  for special journeys.   In this  position its jammed in to some extent and doesnt move easily but I've not yet tested it on the move.  I may need to ratchet it down.  This may need a bit of ingenuity.

It still leaves quite a bit of luggage space  ,enough for my needs.     I have been able to fit a conventional scissor jack in the boot  compartment  that contains the warning triangle and emergency kit.   I relocated the  'shaving foam ' canister  into the under floor compartment, then stood the jack upright in its place, padded and well secured to struts so it wont move.   I already a  jack in the garage but had I needed to buy one I would have bought  a second hand compact one that fits inside the spare wheel . Ebay had a complete kit of jack, tools and tray insert  from  a renault clio, for less than the cost of a new ,budget quality, scissor jack.

I can fit stuff inside the wheel, such as jump leads, tow rope, tyre chains, folding shovel etc.

The wheel bag cost £8.49 on ebay  ( The xl size - 61cmx19cm - fits. )

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161911931558?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Df79ee638cb8647eb83ee549ce54dd3ff%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D161911931558%26itm%3D161911931558%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Ae2d7af73-b816-11ec-ab5e-2e9712af281a%7Cparentrq%3A0ede65081800adb9dad3b98efffe5dd8%7Ciid%3A1

[Expatman]

That's a lot of effort to go to for the less than 1 in 100 chance of a puncture! Personally I rely on AA in the very rare case I need a wheel change - they carry multi size adjustable spares to get you on your way. Also the danger of changing a wheel by the roadside accounts for injury and death by passing vehicles. A police patrol man told me that nowadays changing a wheel is one of the most dangerous things to do!

[Jazzik]

I agree with Expatman. My last puncture was almost eleven years ago. The car had a spare and I changed the wheel myself in pouring rain. Completely soaked I was able to drive home after about 20 minutes. Now I would grab my phone and then wait nice and dry. An hour or more if necessary.
Since then we have been driving for more than 10 years and more than 165000 km. (103000 mi) and not once had a flat tyre.
Anyway, since we never win anything in a lottery either, we dare to take the risk (but always take a phone with us).