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R2D3

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Lead Times
« on: July 14, 2021, 05:07:29 PM »
My preferred lease dealer is quoting 4-5 months lead times for the Jazz.  Does this sound about right? 

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2021, 05:25:17 PM »
Mine was ordered in June, delivered in July. But cash buyer not lease.
I thought they were shipped in bulk from Japan two or three times a year? Hence the very limited choice on colour/spec compared to buying a European manufactured car which has a high degree of configuration as it is built to order.

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2021, 05:51:06 PM »
I'm planning a test drive very soon.

My Civic is all serviced and MOT'd till next Mar so no rush. I prefer a wait because you're not getting old airfield stock.
Let's be careful out there !

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2021, 09:16:20 PM »
In New Zealand the lead time between ordering a 2021 hybrid Jazz (in the colour that you want) and delivery is 3 to 4 months.
It's shorter if a buyer wants a 2012 Jazz that is still purely internal combustion.

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2021, 10:56:26 PM »
Ordered my Crosstar today, Premium Sunlight White Pearl 2 Tone, with delivery on 23rd July.

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2021, 12:41:56 PM »
I had my Jazz EX test drive today, very impressed so that's that stage complete.

There are a number of Red Jazz EX ready but it's a tad soon for me.
Let's be careful out there !

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2021, 10:51:49 PM »
My Crosstar arrived in about 2 weeks.  if id wanted one with a black roof however that would have been 4-5 months.   :o

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2021, 05:17:03 AM »
The dealer showed me the current MK4 Jazz EX UK stock.

They were primarily red, about 70, but some white models were available, about 10. Then there were 3 MY22 black.

Interesting that there was no UK stock with the grey interior. 2 dealers have told me that black interior is what customers want.

I'll be going to my dealer of choice third week of August to try and secure a deal for Sep/Oct. Red is OK but I'm hoping there is a stock refresh with grey or blue exterior, black interior. Not holding my breath.

Be nice if they changed those silver/white top dash cup holder surrounds to black as well.
Let's be careful out there !

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2021, 12:01:46 PM »
Mine was ordered in June, delivered in July. But cash buyer not lease.
I thought they were shipped in bulk from Japan two or three times a year? Hence the very limited choice on colour/spec compared to buying a European manufactured car which has a high degree of configuration as it is built to order.

Not sure, but my 07 plate Jazz Sport was purchased in July 2007 and has March 2007 stamped on the seatbelt labels. My 53 plate SE Sport was registered in Jan 2004 and had November 2003 on the seatbelt labels. Might serve as a rough guild if that helps. I think its common accross Japanese brands, even UK-built Civics have limited configuations.

3+ month lead-in times for factory builds are common, that was what I was quoted for the Slovakian-built Kia Proceed/Ceed or Seat Leon via Carwow even pre-Covid/computer chip shortage.

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2021, 03:06:13 PM »
For what it's worth went in to my local dealer on Saturday, placed the order, they're aiming for delivery in a week's time. EX in sunlight white pearl. Afraid I didn't check overall stock levels as this was easily my first choice spec and colour scheme but there's definitely stock around right now and some decent deals too.

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2021, 04:08:45 PM »
but there's definitely stock around right now and some decent deals too.
...which leads me to the question I've just posted on the Off Topic forum:
What's the dealership mark-up on a new Jazz and how worried are they about sites such as CarWow?  I'm wondering how a 'decent deal' is achieved.

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2021, 05:35:18 PM »
For me as I’ve said elsewhere I have the quotes ready from carwow, go to my favourite dealer, ask what there best price is and then show them the carwow prices and invite them to match it.


More often than not they do - if not I then decide whether it is worth paying extra to buy from the dealer or not.

Oh and as a footnote, despite what dealers will tell yo, I have found no difference in after sales such of servicing whether the car was bought from that specific dealer or not.

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2021, 05:38:28 PM »
but there's definitely stock around right now and some decent deals too.
...which leads me to the question I've just posted on the Off Topic forum:
What's the dealership mark-up on a new Jazz and how worried are they about sites such as CarWow?  I'm wondering how a 'decent deal' is achieved.

It's a good question. That said, the only time I've looked at CarWow you are getting the car from a dealer anyway with CarWow being the middle man. It might be you get the car from a dealer some distance away. Certainly the savings are significant over list price.

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2021, 05:57:52 PM »
but there's definitely stock around right now and some decent deals too.
...which leads me to the question I've just posted on the Off Topic forum:
What's the dealership mark-up on a new Jazz and how worried are they about sites such as CarWow?  I'm wondering how a 'decent deal' is achieved.

I can't help on the dealer markup but I've just been through this exact dance with the Jazz and it's natural head to head rival... a BMW 320 MSport. No, seriously, stop laughing at the back! For the record the Jazz *slaughtered* the 320 for refinement hence the purchase. Anyway, back on topic...

Carwow is a broker site and do absolutely nothing to facilitate the sale. It's purely there to put dealers in touch with customers who they wouldn't normally get. Carwow makes a big chunk of its cash from dealers paying to be on the service (my local BMW dealer bailed when the cost didn't justify the extra revenue) and, so far at least, I've not had any dealer contact me directly. You just get a handful of general prices back for both cash and PCP (though you need to get in touch if you want the PCP breakdown figures, it's still just total cost of car) and it's up to you whether you pursue it or not.

With BMW I was honest with them when it came to pricing, showed them the best price I'd been given and they went away to swear vigorously in a backroom. Matched the (frankly silly) discount for me and had the attitude of 'this is absolutely fair, we'll try and match it if we can, if not we'll give you the best we can do and you can decide what to do next'. Surprisingly mature.

Did the same thing with Honda and while my local wasn't... uh, quite so friendly about it the process was much the same. As it happens they came back within maybe a hundred quid so convenience outweighed any possible saving by travelling to Reading. Dealers, ultimately, aren't stupid and know the tools are now out there for customers to be a lot more informed. Frankly I think some of them take it as a good thing when it cuts an hour of haggling out of the process and customers know what's more realistic.

Just to put some figures on it believe I got about a grand and a half (including the £500 deposit contribution) off an EX with Sunlight white paint plus the 5% apr, 5 years service plan, 5 years roadside assistance etc. Oh and as I currently live next to a large building site got £100 knocked off the paint protection option as well. For reference the best Carwow deal was around £150 cheaper but involved going to Grimsby so that seemed a fair trade off ;-)

Another thing to bear in mind at the moment is PX values are going silly. The whole reason I just changed was finding out my PX on a Civic was £500 less than I paid for it two years ago... Once again I'd suggest hunting around different manufacture web sites. A fair few have a free valuation service (though expect a follow-up call unless, of course, you accidentally typo your phone number) and while the likes of Honda don't some of the individual dealers do. Again, for reference, I was looking at £12k from Merc, £13.5 to £14.5 from BMW and Honda and, weirdly, £13.8 to £14.8k from Mazda. On a diesel Civic I paid £15k for in 2019. Yeah.... Definitely worth doing as the usual route of 'book price' doesn't really take into account market conditions which can best be described as a very empty cupboard with a few mothballs rolling around in a lonely kind of way. Same approach as a service like Carwow, be honest about what you've got from where (and be prepared to show the emails), you'll get decent pricing most of the time. Just do NOT use services like WeBuyAnyCar.com. Their entire business model is 'quote high, get car on site for appraisal, take off hundreds for every paint scratch or swirl even if they've been there from the factory' and dealers will laugh a lot if you try to match their on-line quote (rightly so).

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Re: Lead Times
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2021, 06:40:29 PM »
Dealership get a sell 50 cars this month, make little on new, the mark up on used was were the profit was. These days few of us buying new but servicing & MOT has built in profit. The used price increase is to be short lived if you can then hunt down a deal.

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