Advice please re purchase of 2014 CVT 1.4 EX

[olduser1]

Your asking about Jazz issues, the cars 6+ years old so its all about condition.
Drive it over familar roads for 30+ mins.
Value puit the reg into honestjohns page for values, or try autotradre whatcar etc
We have 2011 milano red Jazz best one we ever owned, just clean it then apply autoglym polish finsh coat, never changed in 7 yrs we owned it.
Reliable yes find local honda specialist or your local garage you currently use, as ever change the oil every 8k or 12 months always use Honda oil filter, dont forget the cabin filter behind the glove box.
I would weight up the Jazz v Civic, the magic seats do add something if your shifting loads but between the two vehicles there nowt in it - your choice your getting anewer car.
If you like it get it, the Civic should be snapped up if selling and not part ex then try Motorway for cash deals.

[Jazzmeister]

I've never heard of or seen solid colours being clear coated, it would make no sense.

Is it possible to please post a link to info confirming that solid colours on vehicles now get a clear coat on top?

They have been doing this for years, I had a Rover over 25 years ago that was lacquered over a flat blue.

It makes lots of sense. Far less expensive base colour is used, a single paint process for all colours, and the new water based paints do not give a hard wearing finish. The final finish is tougher than a solid paint, and the lacquer also gives UV protection, reducing fading.

Google it, there's plenty of info out there.

I think you are confusing base coat with solid colour. Modern base coat always has clear over it but solid does not.

Clear coat is no where as strong as a solid colour, to make clear coat optically clear means they can't use the strongest binders whereas solid colours because they are opaque can have very strong binders.

I worked at a VW Audi approved panelbeaters(we still worked on all makes of vehicle but the Vw Audi approval was pretty significant achievement and required rigorous standards) a few years back and not once did I ever come across nor hear of any factory paint systems of any vehicle manufacturer that sprayed clear over their solid colours.

But if you have any info to prove your point I'd love to see it.

[equaliser]

No idea about VAG cars but Honda's Milano Red is a non-metallic solid red and it most definitely has a clear coat applied. Maybe cars in your country don't have clear coat on non-metallics but here in UK/Europe they most certainly do. You can clearly see the difference under the bonnet where Honda do not apply the clear coat to internal surfaces, probably to save money and/or weight.

[Jazzmeister]

No idea about VAG cars but Honda's Milano Red is a non-metallic solid red and it most definitely has a clear coat applied. Maybe cars in your country don't have clear coat on non-metallics but here in UK/Europe they most certainly do. You can clearly see the difference under the bonnet where Honda do not apply the clear coat to internal surfaces, probably to save money and/or weight.

Google shows Honda Milano Red as a base coat.

[sparky Paul]

I think you are confusing base coat with solid colour. Modern base coat always has clear over it but solid does not.

Clear coat is no where as strong as a solid colour, to make clear coat optically clear means they can't use the strongest binders whereas solid colours because they are opaque can have very strong binders.

No confusion at all here. A friend of mine is a retired panel beater & sprayer who still does a bit of work, I've assisted him many times.

OEM paint on modern cars is base & lacquer, whether they are metallic, pearl or flat colours. The last car I had with a solid paint was a red Volvo, bought new in 1989, and the Rover that the other half had just after that was a non-metallic blue, and eventually suffered lacquer peel on the bonnet. Not had a car without a lacquer since.

The heat cured lacquers used by manufacturers are much harder than some old solid colours, and resist marking. Even 2-pack lacquers used for respray are far harder than the old polyurethane lacquers.

As equaliser says, perhaps they still use solid colours in your country, but here in Europe, I would be surprised to see any modern car without a lacquer.

Google shows Honda Milano Red as a base coat.

OEM Milano Red is a non-metallic base coat with lacquer.

Excuse my use of the vernacular when referring to 'lacquers', that's what we still call them here - I'm referring to 1K/2K clear coat.

[Jazzmeister]

The regional thing could be the case but 2k clear is definitely not tougher than a 2k solid colour and 2k clear is likewise more susceptible to UV damage which is typically why it eventually fails.

[Jocko]

2k clear is likewise more susceptible to UV damage which is typically why it eventually fails.

That may explain why it is not used on vehicles for South Africa but is used for the UK. UV levels here are considerably lower than in SA.

[Jazzmeister]

2k clear is likewise more susceptible to UV damage which is typically why it eventually fails.

That may explain why it is not used on vehicles for South Africa but is used for the UK. UV levels here are considerably lower than in SA.

It's very common to see vehicles here with the clear coat flaking off, it's a scourge.

[culzean]

2k clear is likewise more susceptible to UV damage which is typically why it eventually fails.

That may explain why it is not used on vehicles for South Africa but is used for the UK. UV levels here are considerably lower than in SA.

It's very common to see vehicles here with the clear coat flaking off, it's a scourge.

Clearcoat is flaking on rear spoiler of my Civic, a common problem according to Civinfo......

The odds are stacked against red paint from the start, in order to appear as red to our eyes it has to reflect the light at longer wavelengths ( red end of spectrum - less energy ) and absorb the ones at shorter wavelengths ( UV end of spectrum a lot more energy ) - all the clearcoat in the world is not gonna change physics... For the same reason UV is so damaging to human skin and anything else that comes its way it is a lot more damaging to red paint than other colours.  We had a red front door facing sourth-west on our house for years, it was so hot in summer you could literally fry eggs on it ( except they would not stay on the door LOL ) and I had to sand down and repaint it every two years or so ( and I used expensive paint ).  Darker red colours are not even the safest colours like Orange, white and yellow -  to be highly visible they have to be like Post Office Red.   Modern White paints are great and the slightly off-white colours like  Pearl Orchid white metallic hardly show the dirt and keep the car much cooler than any other colour ( they appear white to our eyes because white reflects every colour of the spectrum, including UV ).

[sparky Paul]

The regional thing could be the case but 2k clear is definitely not tougher than a 2k solid colour and 2k clear is likewise more susceptible to UV damage which is typically why it eventually fails.

Of course it's not tougher than a modern 2K acrylic colour, I was comparing them to the old solvent acrylic paints used before manufacturers switched to base plus lacquer for solid colours. They don't use non-metallic base plus lacquer because it's better, they use it because it's cheaper to use the same factory process for both metallic and non-metallic colours. It makes financial and operational sense for them to standardise.

Perhaps they still use 1K solid colours in hot countries to save the finish delaminating, but it's not much cop if you want a metallic.

Clearcoat is flaking on rear spoiler of my Civic, a common problem according to Civinfo......

Out of interest, is yours a metallic, or a solid colour?

Plastic parts are usually painted seperately with a 2K lacquer, they can't go through the oven that cures the 1K lacquer on the bodyshell. The 2K isn't as resistant to UV, hence the peeling spoliers.

[RichardA]

My dad bought a solid red Proton brand new 30 years ago, the red paint faded after a just few years. Vauxhall seem to be the worst for faded red paintwork, most 15 year old+ red Corsas suffer from it.

There is a Milano red 08 plate Jazz round here with a faded bonnet.

[Jocko]

There is a Milano red 08 plate Jazz round here with a faded bonnet.

That could be explained by the bonnet being repainted after a repair (perhaps replaced with a different colour then repainted to match car). A neighbour had a bump in the street and the red car had substantial bodywork damaged repaired and resprayed. It matched beautifully, but two years on the new panels were fading, and by the time he parted with it they looked like they were in red primer. Regarding Vauxhalls, Post Office vans are a classic example.