Pulling away and reversing judder 3rd opinion

[Nogojoe]

Hey everybody! (Simpsons quote) I've got a Honda jazz 1.3 2006 CVT. I have judder when pulling away and reversing it sends a vibration up the whole car. I've done a CVT fluid change and it's still present I took it to a garage suggested by a friend and he instantly said after a test drive it's the belt slipping so I rang a specialist and he said no it'd be the starter clutch. Would this make sense? 3rd opinion needed.

71k on the clock




EDIT: I forgot to say it vibrates with the shudder like noise.

Re edit: cured with ex120

[jon1612]

Yes its the starting clutch, have you tried some XADO EX120 automatic additive that cures this problem in most cases
its about £20 and is worth trying simple to apply just squirt down dipstick tube then drive away, cured my judder within 3 miles and its not returned but should give it a couple of hundred miles to fully work

is available on ebay 

[Nogojoe]

Yes its the starting clutch, have you tried some XADO EX120 automatic additive that cures this problem in most cases
its about £20 and is worth trying simple to apply just squirt down dipstick tube then drive away, cured my judder within 3 miles and its not returned but should give it a couple of hundred miles to fully work

is available on ebay

Phew! I've ordered some today it'll be coming Wednesday, so it definitely wouldn't be the steel band in the transmission? Cheers for the input pal

[JazzMusic]

Yes, common problem with the starter clutch.

One additional procedure is to burn off the residuals on the clutch discs.

Changing the fluid only changes part of it. Better do it two times to change around 80 % of it.

[Nogojoe]

Yes, common problem with the starter clutch.

One additional procedure is to burn off the residuals on the clutch discs.

Changing the fluid only changes part of it. Better do it two times to change around 80 % of it.

I read that takes a bit of skill without causing more damage though something I haven't really got hahaha

[JazzMusic]

I read that takes a bit of skill without causing more damage though something I haven't really got hahaha

That's why I didn't go into details but any Honda knows about it and can perform the procedure.

There's service bulletin available on the internet. For your car's year it's even mentioned to change the starter clutch if it doesn't go away. One of the key is to use Honda fluids only, nothing else. And the other key is to change it every 12.5k miles instead of 25k or what the schedule recommends.

The bad news is that it could be the belt slipping indead as there was a service bulletin too.

[Nogojoe]

I read that takes a bit of skill without causing more damage though something I haven't really got hahaha

That's why I didn't go into details but any Honda knows about it and can perform the procedure.

There's service bulletin available on the internet. For your car's year it's even mentioned to change the starter clutch if it doesn't go away. One of the key is to use Honda fluids only, nothing else. And the other key is to change it every 12.5k miles instead of 25k or what the schedule recommends.

The bad news is that it could be the belt slipping indead as there was a service bulletin too.

Have you got the link for all this? And if the belt was slipping wouldn't it get stuck in gear and cause a gear ratio error code for transmission (this is what the specialist was saying how to tell the difference). Im hesitant to pay out all that money for a new clutch for it to be the belt slipping. Is a tough one.

[JazzMusic]

Well, one of your best option before repairing an existing gearbox would be to find a good used one.

CVT of that years are known to fail or to get problematik around 100k miles.

No intension to cause sleepless nights but try the 'burn off procedure' first, followed by a fluid change (in this order) with Honda OEM fluid, stress on OEM because the mixture of additives is essential and Honda OEM is the only one to use esp. if you already face some problems. What fluid is in there right now and when has it been changed the last time?

You don't have to be a pro to do the burn off procedure. Just read the attached file thoroughly and follow carefully the instructions. If unsure, get a buddy to help you with it or let your mechanic do the job.

Our ZE2 does shudder as well a little bit. It gets better after a full cycle of burn off and fluid change but I know ZE2s which have less or no shudder at all. We live with it so far if it doesn't get pronounced.

Good luck!

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[culzean]

I have used the clutch cleaning procedure on our manual gearbox cars in the past,  sometime the manual clutch will judder on pulling away - what I do is apply handbrake firmly, select first gear and try to drive the car against handbrake while slipping the clutch for as few seconds - clutch take up is perfect after,  do not heat the clutch up too much - my clutches normally last the life of my ownership which on my first Civic was 190,000 miles and still good when I traded it in for first Jazz,  Have used the clutch cleaning process on our Jazzes and my present Civic very occasionally when clutch take-up becomes juddery.  I think problem with friction clutches is the friction pads can get glazed and this affects the grip on flywheel face - making it variable - making the clutch do a bit of extra work sorts out the glazing and makes the friction level a lot more even.

[Nogojoe]

Thank you for all the tips and advice Is appreciated

[Nogojoe]

Judder cured with ex120

[jon1612]

told you it would,
no one ever believes me they say is "snake oil" waste of money but worked for me and not had problem since but it does say in some cases may need a second dose after a few thousand miles but most people put it in and forget it.
don't know how it works but is well known for sorting problem with jazz cvt much better than trying to Burn the face off the starter clutch

[Nogojoe]

told you it would,
no one ever believes me they say is "snake oil" waste of money but worked for me and not had problem since but it does say in some cases may need a second dose after a few thousand miles but most people put it in and forget it.
don't know how it works but is well known for sorting problem with jazz cvt much better than trying to Burn the face off the starter clutch

thanks again saved me alot