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Eemahn

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Noise from gearbox
« on: September 16, 2018, 09:02:51 PM »
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There is a whine coming from 1st gear then it quietens in 2nd gear and almost disappears in 3rd. Does anyone know what it could be? Your advice would be most appreciated.
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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2018, 06:53:29 AM »
Welcome. It sounds like you could have the start of the dreaded input shaft bearing syndrome, which effected Mk 1 models of that age. With the engine running and the car in neutral, can you hear the noise? If you depress the clutch, does it go away? A noisy clutch release bearing only makes a noise as you activate the clutch, so it isn't audible when the clutch is not actuated. The gearbox input bearing is.
The good news is it will not fail. The bad noise is it will get steadily worse.
I took my car to a reasonably local Gearbox specialist (http://www.topgear.uk.net/home.html) and they replaced all the bearings and seals, with the gearbox in situ, for 324, which included parts and VAT.
My local garage quoted well over 1,000.
The car is now like new. I have since done 6.000 trouble free miles.
Best of luck.

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2018, 09:25:43 AM »
2006 1.4 DSI-SE Manual

There is a whine coming from 1st gear then it quietens in 2nd gear and almost disappears in 3rd. Does anyone know what it could be? Your advice would be most appreciated.
Thank you.

Gearbox input shaft bearing - if left it will gradually get louder and work its way up the gears, but as Jocko says it won't fail. When the offending bearing is removed and inspected there will be a very slight roughness in the bearing caused by the race getting pitted, but it will never leave you stranded at side of the road. This is not a design problem but was caused by a bad batch of bearings from supplier and I believe other car makers were affected.   

If your car did a lot of local miles with stopping and starting and acceleration in lower gears the problem would show up sooner than if your car did mostly main road miles.  My wife's mk1 had gearbox done at about 70k,  my identical year mk1 did 120k before I traded it I and still had no noise, the difference was she did local miles and I did longer main road driving.

Mind you, car makers have been using ball bearings instead of longer lasting roller bearings to try to reduce friction, cost and weight, this means rear wheel bearings tend to get noisy and fail MOT at about 40k.
Some people will only consider you an expert if they agree with your point of view or advice,  when you give them advice they don't like they consider you an idiot

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2018, 09:34:57 AM »
this means rear wheel bearings tend to get noisy and fail MOT at about 40k.
Mine are still the originals. At 107,000 miles!

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2018, 09:40:58 AM »
this means rear wheel bearings tend to get noisy and fail MOT at about 40k.
Mine are still the originals. At 107,000 miles!

All the ones on our earlier Jazzes had to be replaced ( by me) at or around 40k.

Maybe they changed something for the 2006 model due to number of failures. Can anyone with 2006 or later mk1 tell their rear wheel bearing experience.
Some people will only consider you an expert if they agree with your point of view or advice,  when you give them advice they don't like they consider you an idiot

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2018, 03:50:48 PM »
this means rear wheel bearings tend to get noisy and fail MOT at about 40k.
Mine are still the originals. At 107,000 miles!

All the ones on our earlier Jazzes had to be replaced ( by me) at or around 40k.

Maybe they changed something for the 2006 model due to number of failures. Can anyone with 2006 or later mk1 tell their rear wheel bearing experience.
I have a 07 model with 57k on the clock and all bearings seem ok so far

Eemahn

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2018, 03:52:13 PM »
Welcome. It sounds like you could have the start of the dreaded input shaft bearing syndrome, which effected Mk 1 models of that age. With the engine running and the car in neutral, can you hear the noise? If you depress the clutch, does it go away? A noisy clutch release bearing only makes a noise as you activate the clutch, so it isn't audible when the clutch is not actuated. The gearbox input bearing is.
The good news is it will not fail. The bad noise is it will get steadily worse.
I took my car to a reasonably local Gearbox specialist (http://www.topgear.uk.net/home.html) and they replaced all the bearings and seals, with the gearbox in situ, for 324, which included parts and VAT.
My local garage quoted well over 1,000.
The car is now like new. I have since done 6.000 trouble free miles.
Best of luck.

Thanks for the replys Jocko and culzean I have done the test and It looks like it is defiantly the gearbox. but mind you it has done nearly 73K miles so not too bad going. I checked out the link you added, its a bit far for me because I am based in Huddersfield West Yorkshire if there was any local I would defiantly be checking it out because I'm going to have to get this done. As Culzean has mentioned its better to get it done sooner than later to stop more damage happening to my gearbox. Thanks for the replys everyone.

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2018, 03:58:13 PM »
this means rear wheel bearings tend to get noisy and fail MOT at about 40k.
Mine are still the originals. At 107,000 miles!

All the ones on our earlier Jazzes had to be replaced ( by me) at or around 40k.

Maybe they changed something for the 2006 model due to number of failures. Can anyone with 2006 or later mk1 tell their rear wheel bearing experience.
I have a 07 model with 57k on the clock and all bearings seem ok so far
Mine is a 56 plate (2006) I can check the rear wheel bearing tomorrow and let you guys know what I find.

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2018, 04:07:50 PM »
Just to add the bearing issues were down to metal swarf not being removed from gearboxes and destroying the bearings

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2018, 04:28:12 PM »
I am based in Huddersfield West Yorkshire
Give these guys a shout.
http://www.knightsbridgetransmissions.co.uk/

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2018, 04:31:52 PM »
I am based in Huddersfield West Yorkshire
Give these guys a shout.
http://www.knightsbridgetransmissions.co.uk/
Thanks jocko I will give them a call tomorrow morning.
cheers mate

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2018, 01:46:21 PM »
this means rear wheel bearings tend to get noisy and fail MOT at about 40k.
Mine are still the originals. At 107,000 miles!

I recently had to change the NSR hub, looked like an original, complete with the factory yellow paint splodge.

Around 155,000 miles, so you can't really complain, can you?  8)

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2018, 06:14:59 PM »
Just to add the bearing issues were down to metal swarf not being removed from gearboxes and destroying the bearings

Is this an issue that can be prevented by changing the gear box oil?

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2018, 08:32:17 PM »
Just to add the bearing issues were down to metal swarf not being removed from gearboxes and destroying the bearings

Is this an issue that can be prevented by changing the gear box oil?

Had Honda known about it at the time probably, but as it was only picked up after gearboxes had been used it was to late.

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Re: Noise from gearbox
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2018, 09:54:29 PM »
What I mean is that for those of us who haven't had this problem (yet), would it be a very good preventative idea to change the gearbox oil regularly, or would that not make much difference?

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