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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: stani on June 28, 2025, 05:52:14 AM
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What bothers me personally is: bad software (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=17635.0), weak sheet metal, soft paint, the gear shift "stick" (instead of buttons), small trunk space and a step in it, no more bright interior for FL.
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I don't have any major complaints or issues
Drives better than any of my other previous cars
Not Honda's fault that the EU NCAP mandate that some systems must be turned on at every startup and must not be easy to turn off
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Hard plastics and the fact that buying it immediately broadcasted my age group.
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Longevity..
I bought the Honda badge as it was my intended last car. I bought it on the companies previous reliability reputation..
However, a delaminating windscreen, 2 new mirror motors and an impending brake failure in a car 2 years old make me wonder about what other little surprises might be further down the line
Thin bodywork. It dents very easily. I use the Honda roof bars, and have noticed slight depressions in the sill were they affix. A dent doctor told me that Hondas now have one of the thinnest bodywork of most cars on the market.
The knowledge that after 3 years I have to pay a subscription to keep the Honda+ app.
I must add the crap paintwork too. I have never had a car who's paintwork is so easily marked and blemished. It has nothing to do with new regulations regarding paint chemistry either, because all my last four previous cars were using regulation 'eco' paint, and didn't suffer like my Jazz.
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Not Honda's fault that the EU NCAP mandate that some systems must be turned on at every startup and must not be easy to turn off
It's hard for EU NCAP to mandate not deleting radio stations or audio volume levels...
It has nothing to do with new regulations regarding paint chemistry either...
Well, I think the new "eco" (water-based) paints also have an impact.
And Honda coming up with a "new clear coat with increased durability (https://www-japan--cars-cz.translate.goog/2025/05/20/honda-zr-v-2026-vyresi-nejvetsi-problem-jpn-aut/?_x_tr_sl=cs&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=cs&_x_tr_pto=wapp)".
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Longevity..
I bought the Honda badge as it was my intended last car. I bought it on the companies previous reliability reputation..
However, a delaminating windscreen, 2 new mirror motors and an impending brake failure in a car 2 years old make me wonder about what other little surprises might be further down the line
Thin bodywork. It dents very easily. I use the Honda roof bars, and have noticed slight depressions in the sill were they affix. A dent doctor told me that Hondas now have one of the thinnest bodywork of most cars on the market.
The knowledge that after 3 years I have to pay a subscription to keep the Honda+ app.
I must add the crap paintwork too. I have never had a car who's paintwork is so easily marked and blemished. It has nothing to do with new regulations regarding paint chemistry either, because all my last four previous cars were using regulation 'eco' paint, and didn't suffer like my Jazz.
Wow that's quite an indictment ....and here's me thinking of buying one, mmm...
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Tony H,
Me too.
Was thinking of upgrading SWMBO's MK3. after having 8 Hondas including
eHEV HR-V & eHEV CR-V but having read all that I think My move to Kia was a very good idea!! (eNiro) I'll probs get her a Stonic.
I took a friend of mine to Horizon Honda he other day as he was considering a Crosstar. While he was in the showroom I cruised the s/hand cars. interesting the number of e:NY1s and a couple of ZR-Vs.
The e:NY1 did not review well against other EVs in similar price bracket. Now we can see that at least a few people in Poole didn't think much of them.
Such a GREAT shame All my Hondas have been faultless including the last two (but I agree with the biscuit tin bodies on the two 'e:HEVs. Plus the inability for the 'app' to work.
My first Honda was a 3 door HR-V followed by the 'run-out' Ltd edition version of the first CR-V. They were all fantastic.
All this electric 'gizmology' is proving to be the death knell of many a good car maker. Jag and LR in particular.
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I don't have any major complaints or issues
Drives better than any of my other previous cars
Not Honda's fault that the EU NCAP mandate that some systems must be turned on at every startup and must not be easy to turn off
I’m with Kremmen on this one.
My current Mk4 is for me Jazz No8 and is without doubt the best one yet.
My ‘Only’ concern is having to switch off RDMS at every start up. But obviously that is a personal choice.
I have to ask some of the posters on this subject, ‘why did you buy the car?’. If things like the ‘gearstick’ bother you?
All of my Jazz cars are/were Red, which historically is not the best paint colour, but again no problems with any of them.
All modern cars are designed to meet government standards and deform in a crash, in order to minimise any damage to the passenger ‘cage’. So why carry Kgs of surplus metal about, when you don’t need too?
I have been driving for over 70 years, all sorts of cars, from Mini’s to V8s plus Landrovers etc , probably well over 1/2 million miles, and Yes, I’m quite happy with my current choice. ;D ;D
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I have to ask some of the posters on this subject, ‘why did you buy the car?’.
Because in today's automotive misery, the Jazz is still among the better ones (https://www.facebook.com/hondaprojason/posts/the-honda-jazz-is-the-winner-of-the-best-vehicle-among-hybrid-and-electric-cars-/1157600485728675/). ;D
But that doesn't mean it's flawless. And that's what this thread is about.
What doesn't anyone like.
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Light pollution:
When I stop the car & park up and put in Park. (Effectively as I would turn the engine off in a manual).
- I wish the headlight automatically would turn off and just leave the side lights on. This seems to be standard in German & Skoda cars.
It now using power that bothers me the led headlight are intense and potential dazzle other drivers. Also causing unnecessary light pollution. Like illumination the neighbour house opposite when I reverse park on my drive like we all should.
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After reading the previous post by Ledburner, I realized that this also bothers me. I find myself often turning the headlights OFF after parking, by using the rotary light switch on the indicator stalk.
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Just one thing I've remembered, the shiny dash
Maybe should have had a matt material of some kind
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Longevity..
I bought the Honda badge as it was my intended last car. I bought it on the companies previous reliability reputation..
However, a delaminating windscreen, 2 new mirror motors and an impending brake failure in a car 2 years old make me wonder about what other little surprises might be further down the line
Thin bodywork. It dents very easily. I use the Honda roof bars, and have noticed slight depressions in the sill were they affix. A dent doctor told me that Hondas now have one of the thinnest bodywork of most cars on the market.
The knowledge that after 3 years I have to pay a subscription to keep the Honda+ app.
I must add the crap paintwork too. I have never had a car who's paintwork is so easily marked and blemished. It has nothing to do with new regulations regarding paint chemistry either, because all my last four previous cars were using regulation 'eco' paint, and didn't suffer like my Jazz.
I'm quite happy with mine, the business of paint marking easily is probably because your car is black, mine is the same but previously my Crosstar was sunlight white and I had no issues with that.
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Longevity..
I bought the Honda badge as it was my intended last car. I bought it on the companies previous reliability reputation..
However, a delaminating windscreen, 2 new mirror motors and an impending brake failure in a car 2 years old make me wonder about what other little surprises might be further down the line
Thin bodywork. It dents very easily. I use the Honda roof bars, and have noticed slight depressions in the sill were they affix. A dent doctor told me that Hondas now have one of the thinnest bodywork of most cars on the market.
The knowledge that after 3 years I have to pay a subscription to keep the Honda+ app.
I must add the crap paintwork too. I have never had a car who's paintwork is so easily marked and blemished. It has nothing to do with new regulations regarding paint chemistry either, because all my last four previous cars were using regulation 'eco' paint, and didn't suffer like my Jazz.
I'm quite happy with mine, the business of paint marking easily is probably because your car is black, mine is the same but previously my Crosstar was sunlight white and I had no issues with that.
Mine is actually blue beam metallic. It is the blemishes left by bugs, bird droppings and just the easy way it marks and scratches. My previous cars where (Renault) Clio in Valencia orange, 3 Capturs.. 1 in Fire red and 2 in dark oyster grey. All the Capturs had gloss black roof and mirrors... and didn't mark or blemish at all. All were water based eco paint too. The black roof on the Jazz is terrible, but so is the blue metallic.
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To be honest I can’t think of anything that really bothers me about my Jazz
I took months to decide on my next car to replace my Mk4 Prius
After lots of test drives in the end it was a no brainier to choose the Jazz. I really wanted to stay with Toyota but nothing came close to what the Jazz offered as an overall package
Is it perfect? Well probably not but I absolutely love it
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Not much bothers me about my Jazz . I would choose to turn off the lane departure tech permanently rather than at every departure. I only use the infotainment to play spotify music or waze traffic maps oh yes and listening to radio channels . Its the right size for my wife our hound and kit for weeks away . The hard plastics are easy to clean when they get sand mud coffee or grandkids sticky fingers all over them !!
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As for the complaints about the paint: everyone should have just chosen Premium Sunlight White Pearl. :P
For starters, you hardly see dirt on it and after almost 4 years the paint still looks very good.
Hardly any swirls visible, probably also because the car is washed by a company that washes by hand (2 bucket method).
There are a few very small stone chips that I will touch up at some point (I think. Maybe. Someday...(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/a014.gif))
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I find the gear stick rather reassuring after experiencing Peugeot/Opel hire cars abroad with the little lever system. My only irritation with the latest Jazz is the complexity of the software menus, but once you’ve got things set up to your liking, you don’t often need to use them. I’ve now managed to get the car’s WiFi to connect with my phone’s hotspot network without having to do anything provided I’ve got my phone’s settings open on the hotspot screen.
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In an ideal world I'd prefer some of the design elements of the Civic dash.
Don't like the lid of the storage space on the passenger side. Don't keep anything in it and it looks naff.
If the above is the sum of my complaints I've really got nothing to get me bothered.
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I keep a notebook and pen in there, just in case
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After reading the previous post by Ledburner, I realized that this also bothers me. I find myself often turning the headlights OFF after parking, by using the rotary light switch on the indicator stalk.
Why? Just get out and shut the door, the lights go OFF, anyway ;D
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In our country, you can't switch the lights to the "OFF" position at all. This position is there, but apparently there is some kind of spring in the lever that always releases it from this position.
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In our country, you can't switch the lights to the "OFF" position at all
This has nothing to do with your (or our) country. Read page 191:
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/manuals-and-guides/honda-owners-manuals/_jcr_content/par1/textcolumnwithimagem_1653971839/textColumn/richtextdownload_90f/file.res/2021%20Jazz%20Owner%60s%20Manual.pdf
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In our country, you can't switch the lights to the "OFF" position at all. This position is there, but apparently there is some kind of spring in the lever that always releases it from this position.
Really? If it's like the Mk3, then if the car is stationary you can switch to "Off" and all the lights go out; the switch springs back to "Auto" but the lights stay off. As soon as you start to drive again, they'll come on. If I don't want the lights to stay on for a short while after I park, it's not exactly difficult to tweak the switch to turn them off. Does the Mk4 not do this?
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Why? Just get out and shut the door, the lights go OFF, anyway ;D
That also works. But sometimes I stay in the car for a while after parking, and then it's nice that there is the OFF switch.
In our country, you can't switch the lights to the "OFF" position at all. This position is there, but apparently there is some kind of spring in the lever that always releases it from this position.
The gear stick needs to be in park "P" position, or else the lights won't turn OFF. Strangely the manual says (on page 189 or 191) that in addition to the P gear, the parking brake should be applied as well, but in my car the lights can be turned OFF whether the parking brake is applied or not.
In Mk4 the light switch OFF position seems to work in a similar way as ColinB just described.
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I think it's "mandatory daytime running lights". For example, in Germany this is not mandatory.
But maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, it doesn't stay in the "OFF" position.
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Stani, the switch doesn't stay in the OFF position (because it has a spring inside), but the lights should still stay OFF. Try putting your gear selector to P first, and then turning the light switch to OFF. Now the lights should remain OFF, until you shift out of P gear.
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In our country, you can't switch the lights to the "OFF" position at all. This position is there, but apparently there is some kind of spring in the lever that always releases it from this position.
Really? If it's like the Mk3, then if the car is stationary you can switch to "Off" and all the lights go out; the switch springs back to "Auto" but the lights stay off. As soon as you start to drive again, they'll come on. If I don't want the lights to stay on for a short while after I park, it's not exactly difficult to tweak the switch to turn them off. Does the Mk4 not do this?
Yes , its the same on the mk 4 (UK specification)
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I just leave the light switch stalk in Auto and let it do it’s thing
Never had a problem with it set to Auto. I do the same with the Auto wipers, leave it in Auto but occasionally I think the wipers are a little bit slow to react
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Couple of words of caution:
I just leave the light switch stalk in Auto and let it do it’s thing
Doesn't work in misty or foggy conditions because the light level may not be low enough for the auto lights to come on. You need to turn them on manually, otherwise you're driving with just front DRLs and no rear lights.
I do the same with the Auto wipers, leave it in Auto but occasionally I think the wipers are a little bit slow to react
Be careful in winter. You should switch off the auto wiper function if there's any possibility of the wipers freezing to the screen.
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Be careful in winter. You should switch off the auto wiper function if there's any possibility of the wipers freezing to the screen.
Good point hadn’t thought about that
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Be careful in winter. You should switch off the auto wiper function if there's any possibility of the wipers freezing to the screen.
Good point hadn’t thought about that
Also when freezing conditions are forecast I disable the Auto fold function for the door mirrors, saves a lot of crunching noises coming from them and I keep the pivot points well lubed with silicone spray.
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Here a a few of the things that bother me, apart from the hard scratchy plastic, especially where I rest my elbow on the door trim.
1) Heavy condensation on the inside windscreen some mornings that takes an eternity to clear/dry with the HVAC system
2) Very slow re start-up of the infotainment screen after a short trip
3) Reflection from the top of the dashboard in the windscreen under certain light conditions.
4) Engine a bit vocal under full throttle
5) Insufficient steering wheel adjustment for having the seat further back
6) Over aggressive lane assist that I need to turn off every trip
Nothing though that would push me to change the car
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My Jazz has a slightly green tint on the glass of the side windows. I haven't heard anyone mentioning it before, but it bothers me slightly. The world looks greenish through it. The windshield doesn't have this green tint, which is good, as it is the most important one of the windows. But I wonder, how did they manage to make a windshield without a tint, but not the side windows.
1) Heavy condensation on the inside windscreen some mornings that takes an eternity to clear/dry with the HVAC system
3) Reflection from the top of the dashboard in the windscreen under certain light conditions.
Luckily these two can be fixed by a silica gel car dehumidifier bag and a matte black dash mat. I have both and they make a noticeable improvement.
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I always have a silica gel pad there.
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My Jazz has a slightly green tint on the glass of the side windows. I haven't heard anyone mentioning it before, but it bothers me slightly. The world looks greenish through it. The windshield doesn't have this green tint, which is good, as it is the most important one of the windows. But I wonder, how did they manage to make a windshield without a tint, but not the side windows.
1) Heavy condensation on the inside windscreen some mornings that takes an eternity to clear/dry with the HVAC system
3) Reflection from the top of the dashboard in the windscreen under certain light conditions.
Luckily these two can be fixed by a silica gel car dehumidifier bag and a matte black dash mat. I have both and they make a noticeable improvement.
Yes, I now use a bag of silica gel which makes a significant difference, but I should not have to.
I am not sure why the condensation is significantly worse than other cars I have owned, but in my experience it seems more prevalent on vehicles constructed with very thin body panels.
Not invested in a dash mat as yet.
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... and a matte black dash mat.
Can you please put this in ACCESSORIES (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=17665.0)? I'm not the only one interested.
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The problem of overnight condensation seems to be an everlasting topic on the Toyota Yaris forum. I wonder if it is more prevalent on smaller cars?
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Here a a few of the things that bother me, apart from the hard scratchy plastic, especially where I rest my elbow on the door trim.
1) Heavy condensation on the inside windscreen some mornings that takes an eternity to clear/dry with the HVAC system
2) Very slow re start-up of the infotainment screen after a short trip
3) Reflection from the top of the dashboard in the windscreen under certain light conditions.
4) Engine a bit vocal under full throttle
5) Insufficient steering wheel adjustment for having the seat further back
6) Over aggressive lane assist that I need to turn off every trip
Nothing though that would push me to change the car
I park my car in the garage but always leave the window open a few inches, so there is never any condensation inside first thing
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Stani, the switch doesn't stay in the OFF position (because it has a spring inside), but the lights should still stay OFF. Try putting your gear selector to P first, and then turning the light switch to OFF. Now the lights should remain OFF, until you shift out of P gear.
OK, so it will ALWAYS be lit while driving (?) And what about Germany where daytime running lights are not mandatory - so cars don't have their lights on during the day?
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OK, so it will ALWAYS be lit while driving (?) And what about Germany where daytime running lights are not mandatory - so cars don't have their lights on during the day?
At least my Finnish version of Jazz keeps the front daytime running lights lit always while driving. It also keeps the rear lights off. I guess the Jazz might work the same way in Germany, does anyone from Germany know?
And when it gets dark, the Jazz automatically does 3 things:
- It turns on the red rear lights.
- It lowers the brightness of the front daytime running lights.
- It turns on the very bright front low beam projector headlights.
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Daytime running lights are mandatory in our country, so if the Jazz is always on while driving, it's okay.
But in Germany, daytime running lights are not mandatory. How do they turn off the lights while driving if they don't keep them in the OFF position? Or do they just have to accept that they have to be on all the time?
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It may depend on what Honda do for each country but if they are not illegal then you may have to put up with the 'regional' design
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I think that the spring in the light lever is not just there. Maybe they don't have that spring at all in Germany.
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The 'German' Jazz also has that spring and therefore drives around with daylight running lights on as standard.
But in Germany, daytime running lights are not mandatory.
Key points about DRLs in Germany:
New vehicles:
All new types of passenger cars and small delivery vans must be equipped with automatic, energy-efficient daytime running lamps in the EU, including Germany, as of February 7, 2011. Trucks and buses followed in August 2012.
Existing vehicles:
Existing cars are not required to be retrofitted with DRLs.
When to use headlights/DRLs:
While DRLs are automatically on when the engine is running in new cars, you must use headlights (low beam) in situations of reduced visibility, such as twilight, darkness, fog, or tunnels.
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Something else is "Obligation of daytime running lights for vehicles" vs "Rules for daytime running lights in a given country (https://www-podalnici-cz.translate.goog/pravidla-pro-denni-sviceni-vozidel-v-evropskych-zemich/?_x_tr_sl=cs&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=cs&_x_tr_pto=wapp)"...
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@stani:
If you have read this carefully
Daytime running lights (DRLs) are not obligatory for all vehicles in Germany under all conditions, but they are mandatory for new passenger cars and small delivery vans registered in the EU since 2011.
it will be clear that this:
Germany not mandatory
only applies to passenger cars and small delivery vans registered in the EU before 2011, right?
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Good find
After I reverse into my garage, lever to P, power down, then when the electric garage door has shut it's lit up by the lights so that reminds me to switch them off via the spring loaded rotate before getting out
Even though I have it set to turn off instantly when the car door is shut
Given DRL are a good safety issue I can't see any reason to want them off when driving
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Just an observation regarding discussions here.
There are two distinct things, one is "construction and use" regulations which manufacturers must comply with, and "road traffic act" or equivalent laws and rules which apply to drivers using vehicles on the road. They are not always quite the same thing.
A vehicle might have to be fitted with some feature but it might not be compulsory for a driver to use it.
Also not many regulations regarding C&U are applied retrospectively for obvious reasons, it may not be physically possible to achieve on some older vehicles. I seem to remember that screen washers were required to be retrofitted here in the UK for MOTs, but that was many years ago (1970s ?). I may be wrong on that.
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All new cars in the EU and UK have been fitted with daytime running lights (DRL's) since 2011.
Some EU countries require headlights ,or alternatively DRL's if fitted , to be on at all times, even in daylight .
In those countries, if you were somehow able switch off both DRL's and Headlights it would be an offence to drive the car.
In Germany, and UK there is no legal requirement to use headlights in good daylight. So if DRL's were fitted but switched off, it may not be an offence to drive, and police may not notice anyway.
But it may be a separate , indirect offence that requires fitted equipment to be in working order. ( And having one side lit and the other not lit may be an offence.)
In the UK non working DRL's should fail the MOT (annual mechanical test ) but for some reason only on cars registered since 2018. Presumably from 2011 - 2018 cars will have DRL's but its not a testable item
I agree I cant see why anyone would want to drive with the drl's switched off (except maybe sneaky beaky police or the military) . I must admit I used to think the requirement to drive with headlights even in good daylight was a bit 'nanny state' . But having driven in such countries I now realise just how much less conspicuous the occasional car without lights (or inadequate retrofit DRL's )can be if the light is less than perfect or they pass into shade - and much worse for certain car colours.
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I agree I cant see why anyone would want to drive with the drl's switched off...
I think there was a study in Germany and Austria that showed that lighting in full daylight is an unnecessary waste of energy, a burden on batteries and therefore a life-threatening environment.
Otherwise, I agree, it has been mandatory in the EU since 2011 to have DRLs installed, but it is no longer mandatory (everywhere) to have them on.
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They certainly make vehicles easier to spot
I know they are smaller but a lot of motorcycle riders have been using headlights for decades
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To think people used to laugh at Volvo drivers when Volvo first introduced DRL's so many years ago, while today they have become a brand identity/statement
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Weren't Volvo also seatbelt pioneers
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Yes I believe they were
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Weren't Volvo also seatbelt pioneers
Plus, they didn’t patent them, giving thousands of people since, in other makes of car, a licence to live.
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sorry, off-topic
Weren't Volvo also seatbelt pioneers
I'm terribly sorry about raining on your "Volvo-parade".
However, you should be very proud as seat belts seem to be invented by an englishman:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt#History
The now current three-point safety belt however was invented by the swedish engineer Nils Bohlin for Volvo (we should include him in our prayers for probably saving millions of lives!).
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Interesting to look at the safety innovations introduced by Volvo since 1944 . Some of the earlier ones are now widely recognised as great leaps forward in safety, where few would now argue we managed well enough without them for years. Yet safety features introduced in the 21st century increasingly become features that some will criticise as unnecessary and intrusive. I wonder why ? ;)
Here is the list .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Cars#Safety_milestones
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To be honest I can’t think of anything that really bothers me about my Jazz
I took months to decide on my next car to replace my Mk4 Prius
After lots of test drives in the end it was a no brainier to choose the Jazz. I really wanted to stay with Toyota but nothing came close to what the Jazz offered as an overall package
Is it perfect? Well probably not but I absolutely love it
so you picked the hybrid jazz over the hybrid yaris or hybrid corolla, what made you move from toyota that was better in the jazz?
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To be honest I can’t think of anything that really bothers me about my Jazz
I took months to decide on my next car to replace my Mk4 Prius
After lots of test drives in the end it was a no brainier to choose the Jazz. I really wanted to stay with Toyota but nothing came close to what the Jazz offered as an overall package
Is it perfect? Well probably not but I absolutely love it
so you picked the jazz over the hybrid jazz or hybrid corolla, what made you move from toyota that was better in the jazz?
I picked the Hybrid Jazz for the following reasons:
The Hybrid Yaris is great fun to drive but it has no space inside and it’s noisy and uncomfortable
The Corolla was a nice car but as it’s so low down you end up scraping the doors on the pavement. Although it’s a bigger car it cannot match the Jazz for interior space or versatility
I wanted to downsize from my Mk4 Prius and didn’t want to give up too much comfort; the only car that came close to the Prius was the Jazz
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To be honest I can’t think of anything that really bothers me about my Jazz
I took months to decide on my next car to replace my Mk4 Prius
After lots of test drives in the end it was a no brainier to choose the Jazz. I really wanted to stay with Toyota but nothing came close to what the Jazz offered as an overall package
Is it perfect? Well probably not but I absolutely love it
so you picked the jazz over the hybrid jazz or hybrid corolla, what made you move from toyota that was better in the jazz?
I also moved from a Yaris Cross to a Jazz with a VW T Cross in between, I test drove a Jazz before buying a Yaris Cross and within 3 months I realised my mistake, the Yaris was very noisy, road, wind and engine/ transmission drone became almost unbearable, it felt like a rear window had been left slightly open, the Jazz is a much more refined ride and I have noticed it will go longer in EV mode than the Yaris, soundproofing in the Yaris is virtually non existent, cramped rear seating with rear doors only opening to about 60 degrees, the Yaris Cross is potentially a good car let down by penny pinching in build quality and shoddy materials, no match for a Jazz
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I also moved from a Yaris Cross to a Jazz with a VW T Cross in between, I test drove a Jazz before buying a Yaris Cross and within 3 months I realised my mistake, the Yaris was very noisy, road, wind and engine/ transmission drone became almost unbearable, it felt like a rear window had been left slightly open, the Jazz is a much more refined ride and I have noticed it will go longer in EV mode than the Yaris, soundproofing in the Yaris is virtually non existent, cramped rear seating with rear doors only opening to about 60 degrees, the Yaris Cross is potentially a good car let down by penny pinching in build quality and shoddy materials, no match for a Jazz
My Prius Mk4 was extremely comfortable so I had to be very careful choosing the replacement car
I test drove a couple of Yaris and one Yaris Cross. Unfortunately neither of them gelled with me; they were both uncomfortable and very noisy
I did also test drive a Corolla and a C-HR. I loved the C-HR. However I didn’t think that either car had enough space inside for the size of vehicle they are
I am still amazed how much room there is in the Jazz and also how softly it rides, how quick it is away from the lights and how refined and quiet she is
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In a nutshell nothing, Ninanina nailed the Jazz’s prowess as a superb vehicle, my last 2 cars were a 2020 Hyundai Tucson and a 2017 Citroen C3 Picasso both very good comfy cars, 50k miles in the Picasso with no problems and 65/75 mpg (Diesel) the Tucson again no problems but only 38/45 mpg.
My reasons for buying the Jazz were 1) Economy 2) Comfort 3) Cabin space 4) Drives well 5) Superb headlamps 6) it’s cutesy looks 7) Boot takes a mobility scooter with ease,
Plus our bulky 70 plus year old bodies can get in and out with a minimum of effort, do I miss anything about the other cars not really but the boot is a bit smaller but it’s still good.
:D ;D
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In a nutshell nothing, Ninanina nailed the Jazz’s prowess as a superb vehicle, my last 2 cars were a 2020 Hyundai Tucson and a 2017 Citroen C3 Picasso both very good comfy cars, 50k miles in the Picasso with no problems and 65/75 mpg (Diesel) the Tucson again no problems but only 38/45 mpg.
My reasons for buying the Jazz were 1) Economy 2) Comfort 3) Cabin space 4) Drives well 5) Superb headlamps 6) it’s cutesy looks 7) Boot takes a mobility scooter with ease,
Plus our bulky 70 plus year old bodies can get in and out with a minimum of effort, do I miss anything about the other cars not really but the boot is a bit smaller but it’s still good.
:D ;D
Absolutely Jazzfan49
The Jazz is an excellent design; getting a comfortable, reliable and quiet car that also has loads of space inside out of a small package is just genius
I can assure people that the Jazz has more useable space than the Toyota Yaris, Corolla and C-HR even though the Jazz isn’t very big on the outside
In my view the Jazz is an amazing piece of engineering; squeeze as much space out of a small package
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Too bad the topic isn't called "What do I like about the Jazz Mk4?"... Does anyone want to start one?
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Very minor irritation: I used the combined tyre pressure gauge/pump today following a TPMS warning. The unit is smaller than the one in the Mk3 and I found it impossible to squeeze the power cable back into the space it came out of! Incidentally, I didn’t find anything wrong with the tyre pressures but we’ll see what happens after recalibration.
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My wife has never shown an interest in any of the cars that we have had over the last 50 years, until now, she even helped me to polish the surf blue cross star, having said that it is the first auto and the first hybrid so that might have something to do with it. Me ? i love the fact that is so nippy from a standing start , silly i know but 0 to 30 in 3 seconds leaves a few BMW quite bemused
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Not much, its a great car, thoroughly enjoyed the last 4 years driving it, and it has taken us to Europe a few times and all over the UK completely reliably, comfortably, economically. Very very good car.
As for the comments about denting and scratching easily, my experience is the opposite, unless ive just been lucky in car parks! But i think the flat Surf Blue paint seems quite durable, no stone chips I can see.
And i've just now ordered a new Crosstar - nothing else comes close to the range of benefits of the Jazz - IMO :)
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I just now discovered that the “opening/closing windows with key” feature doesn't work on the Elegance.
By the way, it's not some extra add-on, but just a (pre-programmed) software thing... >:(
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My main gripe is that the SatNav does not have live traffic monitoring. Yes I 'could' use Google maps or Waze but I have found they have a lag which sometime causes my missing a turning. Other than that the small boot is a pain. Yes, I did know about that when i bought it but then I didn't have four grandchildren then...
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I used to use Google Maps and had no lag at all
Where is your phone mounted ?
This was my solution, phone had a clear view of the sky :
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=13618.msg107090#msg107090
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My main gripe is that the SatNav does not have live traffic monitoring. Yes I 'could' use Google maps or Waze but I have found they have a lag which sometime causes my missing a turning. Other than that the small boot is a pain. Yes, I did know about that when i bought it but then I didn't have four grandchildren then...
The HERE satnav in recent Jazz models has live traffic information if you connect your phone’s WiFi hotspot to the car’s system.
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I used Here WeGo, on the phone on (locally in hand held mount) or through android auto on the headup display. Both very accurate about positioning & no time lag. Also the option to use the app completely offline in any country is awesome. (Preloaded country maps)
I find Google maps laggy & Waze similar & problematic when reporting local road issues, (when it's safe to report, you've passed the location and it will only accepts very close proximity to current location ???)
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I find the reversing lights poor, such as low contrast against streetlight so awkward to see he curb
Also no height adjustable passenger seat. My old dad find it a struggle to get out.
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Interesting some have noted Google Maps and Waze have some lag, i haven't had this problem at all. I'm very happy with performance of those apps when connected via Android Auto.
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I am currently using Waze because I can enter destinations in my phone in advance away from the car. However, I prefer the display in the in-built HERE system.
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Paintwork i(std black) s an issue for me as well, I noticed lots of scratches on the inside of all the door handles.
Personally my finger nails are short and I never noticed those scratches on previous cars.
A comment on Facebook (Honda Add) popped up where someone had the same issue with a Honda car and a rep said they should contact Honda or visit a dealer. This seemed to suggest a fault on their part. But of course I can't find the Facebook post.
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Soft paintwork and what appears to be plastic we nickname the plastic car.
Think Honda have a real paint issue - warranty claim perhaps.
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I agree. The paintwork is very poor. The black roof on mine shows very fine spots in certain light, almost as if the varnish is lifting off slightly. The midnight blue beam is very soft, marks easily and shows up the slightest scratch.
I have had quite a few cars prior to the Jazz that all utilised 'green' friendly paint, waterbased and conforms to EU standards etc... and they never suffered like the Jazz.
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I agree. The paintwork is very poor.
I disagree. It might have something to do with the colour. Our almost four-year-old Premium Sunlight White Pearl still looks like new, with just two very minor stone chips.
There's barely a swirl mark, and even behind the handles, it's hard to tell it's been used.
However, our car is washed (but only when it's really dirty) by a professional firm that washes by hand and uses the two-bucket method.
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I agree. The paintwork is very poor.
I disagree. It might have something to do with the colour. Our almost four-year-old Premium Sunlight White Pearl still looks like new, with just two very minor stone chips.
There's barely a swirl mark, and even behind the handles, it's hard to tell it's been used.
However, our car is washed (but only when it's really dirty) by a professional firm that washes by hand and uses the two-bucket method.
I use Autoglym products, the two bucket method and finish with Meguiars.. so maybe it is the colours.. mine having the black roof too. I think the lighter white/sunlight versions offer a better look, and hide blemishes far better. I didn't want a black interior car though at the time, hence the blue.
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I have Premium Sunlight White Pearl and the paint is bad, soft. I've been detailing for many years, so I know a little about it. My neighbor has a Jazz 2G in red and that's a quality paint!
Today's (Asian) paint s are of poor quality (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=17678.msg151261#msg151261).
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From what I've read, water based paint is not as resilient as the old solvent based
My first experience of water based was a 2002 Lexus IS200 that was shocking for paint chips
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Another Sunlight White owner here and nearly 3 years on it looks like new. I can't quite say the black roof has been as easy to keep looking good.
Waterborne paints have come a long way over the years, but many many moons ago I worked for a company that produced resins for all types of paints, I was in the R&D division and I have yet to see a waterborne paint that has the overall resistance and the properties of solvent based paints.
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Another Sunlight White owner here and nearly 3 years on it looks like new.
What if it's not "Platinum White Pearl"?
Because before FL they offered „Premium Sunlight White Pearl“, "Platinum White Pearl" and "Taffeta White”.
Now only "Premium Sunlight White Pearl" can be purchased at FL.
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I thought the paint on my 2021 platinum white pearl car was quite soft. A couple of minor 'dings' in the paint at the front of the car, probably caused by small stones, were more like small rips or tears in a plastic coating rather than a hard paint being chipped. It may have been because they were all on painted plastic bumpers etc, rather than on painted metal .(unsightly but not likely to rust. )
But I find the Premium sunlight white pearl seems better. No chip so far ,and not ,I think, just because the facelift cars feature more unpainted grills/trim. Also i think that even without waxing or other treatments the premium paint stays cleaner for longer . Water beads better and even a shower of rain washes off a lot of dirt.
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Ha ha... when I bought my Jazz FL with "Premium Sunlight White Pearl" and was driving home from the dealer, a stone flew off the truck and peeled off a piece of paint near the front fender.
I then went to a local dealer and they fixed it for me for free.
The paint is not good and in fact, ceramic protection (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=17678.msg151235#msg151235) with 9H hardness was actually a necessity.
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I thought the paint on my 2021 platinum white pearl car was quite soft. A couple of minor 'dings' in the paint at the front of the car, probably caused by small stones, were more like small rips or tears in a plastic coating rather than a hard paint being chipped. It may have been because they were all on painted plastic bumpers etc, rather than on painted metal .(unsightly but not likely to rust. )
But I find the Premium sunlight white pearl seems better. No chip so far ,and not ,I think, just because the facelift cars feature more unpainted grills/trim. Also i think that even without waxing or other treatments the premium paint stays cleaner for longer . Water beads better and even a shower of rain washes off a lot of dirt.
I had the sunlight white on my old Crosstar and never had any problems with marks, also I liked the way the hue changes slightly at different light levels, I'll go for that again if it's available on the next model.
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Probably already been exhausted elsewhere, but it is the awful "pull" to the left or right if the driver happens to use the steering wheel to avoid a pothole or other obstacle! If it is meant to prevent collisions because someone is looking at their phone(!!- illegal but is STILL seen happening all to frequently!), falling asleep or some other distraction, all well and good-not for the phone use tho'- but for narrow roads in rural areas, it's a huge annoyance, as if I am not capable of driving properly myself!! Also that the passenger seat is not able to be raised-infuriating-I like to see where I'm going even if Im not driving!
Also that Honda seem to assume all drivers are idiots! I am an experienced driver with an exemplary record!
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It's not Honda's fault, the EU nanny state comes up with all these so called safety rules and all manufacturers have to abide by them, the crazy thing is they give you the option to disable them every trip :o
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It's not Honda's fault, the EU nanny state comes up with all these so called safety rules and all manufacturers have to abide by them, the crazy thing is they give you the option to disable them every trip :o
And isn't it necessary as 5thcivic writes here (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=17635.msg150717#msg150717)?
Because for some car brands it can be turned off permanently.
Similar to daytime running lights: vehicles in the EU must be equipped with DRL, but some countries (e.g. Germany) do not have to use them.
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It's not Honda's fault, the EU nanny state comes up with all these so called safety rules and all manufacturers have to abide by them, the crazy thing is they give you the option to disable them every trip :o
And isn't it necessary as 5thcivic writes here (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=17635.msg150717#msg150717)?
Because for some car brands it can be turned off permanently.
Similar to daytime running lights: vehicles in the EU must be equipped with DRL, but some countries (e.g. Germany) do not have to use them.
It will all depend on when a vehicle was homolgated, other manufacturers may have not had to renew their homologation, so don’t need to meet the latest regulations. So can turn off.
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The not so intelligent speed limiter…..picks up too many lower speed limit signs from side roads, adjacent junctions and slip roads. Dam dangerous when it picks up a 20 when you are on a main road at 40 to 70mph with someone on your tail!
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The not so intelligent speed limiter…..picks up too many lower speed limit signs from side roads, adjacent junctions and slip roads. Dam dangerous when it picks up a 20 when you are on a main road at 40 to 70mph with someone on your tail!
Despite what many on here have said, it always happens. Useless system (like the majority of driver 'aids')
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The not so intelligent speed limiter…..picks up too many lower speed limit signs from side roads, adjacent junctions and slip roads. Dam dangerous when it picks up a 20 when you are on a main road at 40 to 70mph with someone on your tail!
Just to be clear, the problem is not with the intelligent speed limiter (ISL): that does exactly what it's supposed to do, which is to limit the speed to whatever limit has been detected. The problem is with the traffic sign recognition that feeds data to the ISL, which is simply not good enough to cope with the many variations of signage on UK roads. Signs on adjacent roads, "countdown" signs ("30 limit 200 yds ahead"), advisory limits (green/grey not red roundels), part-time speed limits (eg outside schools when warning lights flash during school hours) are all misinterpreted and the ISL will respond accordingly.
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Just to be clear, the problem is not with the intelligent speed limiter (ISL): that does exactly what it's supposed to do, which is to limit the speed to whatever limit has been detected. The problem is with the traffic sign recognition that feeds data to the ISL, which is simply not good enough to cope with the many variations of signage on UK roads. Signs on adjacent roads, "countdown" signs ("30 limit 200 yds ahead"), advisory limits (green/grey not red roundels), part-time speed limits (eg outside schools when warning lights flash during school hours) are all misinterpreted and the ISL will respond accordingly.
so therefore it is useless, as I stated above.
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I wouldnt call the speed limiters useless. But I seldom use them as I dislike the 'dead' feel on the throttle once you hit the limiter speed. The intelligent limiter is also subject to the sign recognition mistakes as listed by ColinB . An AI system would have to be very clever indeed to get these signs right every time.
I did occasionally use an adjustable limiter to stop me inadvertently drifting over the speed I set. .I normally set them a couple of mph over the applicable speed limit .This reduced the frequency of 'dead pedal' unless I was being really naughty.
I say 'did' because I have never yet set a limiter ,adjustable or intelligent, on my 2024 car which has the now compulsory overspeed bongs. With a bit of 'selective hearing' I find these bongs are all the warning I need to either moderate my speed or ignore the bongs if I decide 'human knows best'.
I know driver aids are not yet perfect but I prefer to work with them rather than try to avoid them.
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i don't like the road noise, i looked under the rear seat carpet or maybe tissue paper thick covering, no sound insulation, not impressed at all.
Any one fitted some insulation to these cars, did look at the front and the thinnest insulation you can buy is fitted to our 2024 Crosstar
Surely a car of this price should be better or is it any thing to do with the HV battery overheating or just cheap.
Not too keen on the drive stick, why so hard to move, feels like it is starting to seize, why not have a rotating dial or something like that.
I washed the car and the bonnet is so thin i thought it was going to buckle, paint not much better.
On the plus side i do see 74.3mpg on the read out, i have not checked it on tank to tank refills, will check it later
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Insulation is probably partly cost, and partly weight, which can make a difference to mpg. And as you say insulation over the HV battery may cause it to overheat , or use its battery cooling fans more often, which increases fuel consumption and may add fan noise. (some say they can hear this- I've never noticed it )
If you do your own insulation you'd need to be careful not to block or impede any air flow.
I only have fitted floor mats , which may help a bit.
Thin guage bodywork is increasingly common. It saves a lot of weight on an entire car. Manufacturers may claim they use higher grade steel than previously , and carefully calculated by computers. Some cars only feel stronger because their styling incorporates more compound curves that makes it feel more rigid, a bit like corrugated iron roofing.
Hondas bodywork and rustproofing is not world leading. Maybe because the Japanese government have a policy for the japanese market that favours exporting the car to other countries when it reaches 3 years old and buying a new japanese car at a cheap price.
But all cars tend to reach their end of life either because of its bodywork, or its mechanicals . You often see images of perfectly decent looking cars going into the crusher. Honda owners may lament that the car still had perfect mechanicals , other makes will lament that the body was perfect and the mechanics let it down. And a car that was class leading in both areas may have been a heavy ,gas guzzling, slug all its life. :P
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And a car that was class leading in both areas may have been a heavy ,gas guzzling, slug all its life. :P
Well, for example, the Toyota Avensis T25 FL had both and was no worse in terms of consumption than its successor, the Avensis T27 - where savings were made (thin-walled body, worse damping, poor anti-corrosion treatment, etc.). That was the last honest car. I remember it with a "tears in my eyes", I drove it back in the spring.
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And also weak glass. When I first rolled down the window, I was very surprised...
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What bothers me is being unable to disable the overspeed warning beeps permanently.
I can't even disable them temporarily, I have to disable the traffic sign recognition system completely every time I start the car.
I actually like being able to see traffic signs on the dash. I'm also ok if they blink if I go overspeed, but I just hate the beeps.
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I washed the car and the bonnet is so thin i thought it was going to buckle, paint not much better.
A roof rack can be mounted on the Jazz. According to the specifications, the roof is supposed to have a load capacity of up to 35kg. Well, I can't imagine what those 35kg will do to that thin sheet metal. And even more so at high speeds on the highway and perhaps even in strong winds.
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I washed the car and the bonnet is so thin i thought it was going to buckle, paint not much better.
A roof rack can be mounted on the Jazz. According to the specifications, the roof is supposed to have a load capacity of up to 35kg. Well, I can't imagine what those 35kg will do to that thin sheet metal. And even more so at high speeds on the highway and perhaps even in strong winds.
I have the Honda approved roof rack. I use it to transport either a kayak, or a pair of bikes (mounted on Thule carriers attached to the bars). While I agree that the tin wear on the Jazz seems especially flimsy after my Renaults (confirmed by a friend who works as a Dent Doctor, Hondas notoriously thin on bodywork), the roof and sills seem to cope well with the roof bar set up under load.
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I have the Honda approved roof rack. I use it to transport either a kayak, or a pair of bikes (mounted on Thule carriers attached to the bars). While I agree that the tin wear on the Jazz seems especially flimsy after my Renaults (confirmed by a friend who works as a Dent Doctor, Hondas notoriously thin on bodywork), the roof and sills seem to cope well with the roof bar set up under load.
Oh, I guess it will be reinforced somehow. And won't that somehow twist the roof sheet metal?
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I have the Honda approved roof rack. I use it to transport either a kayak, or a pair of bikes (mounted on Thule carriers attached to the bars). While I agree that the tin wear on the Jazz seems especially flimsy after my Renaults (confirmed by a friend who works as a Dent Doctor, Hondas notoriously thin on bodywork), the roof and sills seem to cope well with the roof bar set up under load.
Oh, I guess it will be reinforced somehow. And won't that somehow twist the roof sheet metal?
No. I have used the bars about 30 times in the last 3 years, and no depressions or marks where the bar feet sit. They are the same system used by Renault, and clip under the door frame and sit on the roof sill. They don't come into contact with the roof body panel.
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I agree on the lack of seat height adjuster on the passenger seat. I find the passenger seat incredibly uncomfortable, my husband and I both test drove the car, but the salesperson sat in the passenger seat the whole time. Grr. It lacks the adjustments required for comfort.
Also to change the drivers seat from minimum to maximum height takes 30 pumps of the lever! THIRTY! There is a 10 inch height difference between me and my husband.
To be honest it took a year before I even began to like the Jazz, with the discomfort and the lane assist feature. With a new seat cushion for when I’m not driving and familiarity it’s grown on me since then luckily, and I haven’t seen any other car that I’d like to change to currently.
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Smaller wheelbase - crosswind is sometimes really felt. Maybe the thin sheets also play a role?
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I think the Mk4 wheelbase (252 cm) is only 1 cm shorter than the Mk3. I doubt that makes any significant difference in crosswinds.
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When driving at night the instrument cluster reflection on the drivers door window and the very unpredictable Auto headlights, in the daytime on when not needed, off when needed
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I think the Mk4 wheelbase (252 cm) is only 1 cm shorter than the Mk3. I doubt that makes any significant difference in crosswinds.
I generally thought that the Jazz had a smaller wheelbase. So I feel a lot of crosswind with the Jazz. It's enough to have a truck drive by.
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I've had Hondas for many years and this is the first CVT I've driven.
There's a lot to like for sure and the thread here "What do you like about your Mk4 Jazz" is full of glowing reviews all of which I agree with but it is not without a few niggles...
The interior space has long been a big selling point on all Jazz variants and this one is no exception but because of the battery I can see a distict reduction in regular boot space.
Also, for the same reason there is no option for a spare wheel. This came close to being a showstopper for me but I decided to go ahead with the purchase anyway. But I have to say I am NOT looking forward to having to fix a puncture using the Crazy Foam included.You know it is going to happen at 2am in the p*****g rain miles from home. Changing the wheel would be hassle enough but having to figure out this new system is not something I look forward to.
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Well, apart from a de-laminating windscreen, two side mirror motor replacements and the impending brake simulator...
The paintwork is well below the quality I have had on previous cars (the last three of which used eco friendly paint). It scratches easily, bird/insect dropping leave blemishes and the black roof has tiny spot blemishes in the lacquer.
The light grey interior is great and makes for a very airy and open feel in the cabin.. but the light grey accent on the bottom of the steering wheel is a mistake. It gets grubby easily, and needs wiping regularly with a wet wipe to keep it looking clean.
The spare wheel doesn't bother me, my last four or five cars never had one. However, I did buy a can of Holts tyre foam, as this can be removed if used, and means a puncture can be repaired.. whereas the OEM stuff buggers up this possibility.
I would have liked a light in the glovebox, and an auto dimming mirror.
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Auto wipers >:(
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That's a great tip about the Holts Tyre Foam. Looks to be easier to use than Honda's stuff as well as not trashing and otherwise good tyre in the process. (Which Genius came up with Honda's offering I wonder..maybe someone in the tyre industry perhaps?)
I will certainly invest in some of that!
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That's a great tip about the Holts Tyre Foam. Looks to be easier to use than Honda's stuff as well as not trashing and otherwise good tyre in the process. (Which Genius came up with Honda's offering I wonder..maybe someone in the tyre industry perhaps?)
I will certainly invest in some of that!
I think it has more to do with the tyre replacement company than the type of foam. My local company is quite happy to rinse the foam out under a running tap and don't charge any extra over their standard puncture repair cost. The bigger firms will tell you it's not possible as they see a new tyre as a cash cow rather than an opportunity to give great customer service.
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Auto wipers >:(
Agreed, along with almost every auto function. I'm the driver, let me drive the car not fight the computicals
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I am sure I turned my auto-wipers off in settings unless it was another
car I once owned.
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I am sure I turned my auto-wipers off in settings unless it was another
car I once owned.
Why would you turn the auto-wipers off? You paid for this feature!
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I dont think anything bothers me about the Jazz Mk 4.
I find the auto lights temporarily cancel and then reinstate a bit clunky maybe ompared to my wife's Toyota, which reinstates the auto high beam automatically after being manually cancelled, but only if the road is clear ahead.
Pretty much like everything about the car, thats why i just bought another one!
Until i find something wrong that is ;)
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I am sure I turned my auto-wipers off in settings unless it was another
car I once owned.
Why would you turn the auto-wipers off? You paid for this feature!
Simple see CB72 and Mr Onion posts above.
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I am sure I turned my auto-wipers off in settings unless it was another
car I once owned.
Why would you turn the auto-wipers off? You paid for this feature!
Simple see CB72 and Mr Onion posts above.
You mean this?
Auto wipers >:(
Agreed, along with almost every auto function. I'm the driver, let me drive the car not fight the computicals
I don't read any argument why they don't use the auto wipers.
This >:( could mean anything, like CB72 does not like rain (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/verschiedene/g030.gif) or something.
If the (auto) wipers don't do exactly what you want them to, you can simply correct them with a single tap of the lever, which I really don't see as a problem and for sure not as "fighting the computicals".
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I am sure I turned my auto-wipers off in settings unless it was another
car I once owned.
Why would you turn the auto-wipers off? You paid for this feature!
I also paid for USB sockets in the back of the car. I don't use those either, is it compulsory? :P
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I cant see any objection to auto wipers. Cars have had variable speed and intermittent wipe for years using old technology. I find rain seldom stays the same intensity for long over a distance. The autowipers can do clever tricks. If you dont like the results you can either adjust its settings or simply revert to using the stalk to manually change wiper speed, or switching the wipers off and doing the occasional single wipe. Just like in the 'good old days'.
I also paid for USB sockets in the back of the car. I don't use those either, is it compulsory? :P
No ,but extra accessories, computerised driver 'aids' etc do add to the value of the car when you sell it. Whether you used them or not. :)
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Auto-Wipers, the interval is either too short and more often too long and sometimes not at all, its simplier just too flick the lever when its required, I know there is an adjuster but not easy to set when driving
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I think the Mk4 wheelbase (252 cm) is only 1 cm shorter than the Mk3. I doubt that makes any significant difference in crosswinds.
I generally thought that the Jazz had a smaller wheelbase. So I feel a lot of crosswind with the Jazz. It's enough to have a truck drive by.
IMO a more likely reason is the Jazz's more boxy shape is not as aerodynamic as some cars. The Jazz slams into wind resistance where others are better able to slice through it cleanly. On the plus side it means the Jazz is roomy for its class, which can save the need for a larger car with higher costs.
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Auto-Wipers, the interval is either too short and more often too long and sometimes not at all, its simplier just too flick the lever when its required, I know there is an adjuster but not easy to set when driving
I confirm. No matter how I adjust the wheel, it's always not good.
I've added it to the bug list (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=17635.msg150677#msg150677).
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My bugbear is Honda describing in its 2021 the trim as “leather” only to discover that it’s actually delaminating and splitting plastic that’s not for purpose.
Shame on you Honda for dishonestly lying and misleading your customers with no respectful and honourable recourse for getting the offending parts replaced as has happened in other territories.
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Condensation on the windshield.
This morning was brutal. About -7C and I've never seen such heavy condensation. The moisture trap-pillow didn't help at all.
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Condensation on the windshield.
This morning was brutal. About -7C and I've never seen such heavy condensation. The moisture trap-pillow didn't help at all.
Yep, one of my biggest bugbears. Never had a car which has such bad condensation on the inside of the windscreen.
What makes it worse is that there is no quick way to warm the engine up whilst waiting for the screen to clear as you can't raise engine revs via the throttle when stationary.
I don't know why the Jazz is so bad, maybe it does not auto close the ventilation vents when locking the car.
I also second the variable wiper speed, it seems difficult to get the ideal sensitivity for any given rain condition.
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FMIB: It was a shock this morning. I've never seen that on any car before... :(
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FMIB- Stani, do you have the aircon switched on all the time? I do and find it helps keep the moisture levels down
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Not when the outside temperature is under +4°C. Your airco stops working to protect the condensor from freezing.
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FMIB- Stani, do you have the aircon switched on all the time? I do and find it helps keep the moisture levels down
Yes, always switched on for all my cars. Using silica gel pouches does give some reduction, but it's not a solution.
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Is there something that can be turned on to force the engine to turn over and heat up quicker
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Is there something that can be turned on to force the engine to turn over and heat up quicker
Yes. As soon as you start and the heating system is on, the engine will start. U less temperature is already close to your settings. So you can increase temperature to force a start.
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I find that selecting the front screen heating button optimises demisting/defrosting settings which may include running the engine a bit faster and for longer than normal. This setting does defrost the screen faster than some cars I have owned. Its a shame that a car as expensive as a mk4 Jazz doesnt have a proper heated windscreen with heating elements .
I recently used silica gel dehumidifying pouches for the first time (2x500 gm) There was improvement, and would probably work well if only used for one night ,before being recharged (dried) in a microwave oven.
I suspect they may become saturated on day 1 and cease to absorb effectively from day 2 onwards.
And I found it quite inconvenient taking them indoors to microwave them in the recommended sequence (5 minutes microwaved, 15 minutes pause,5 more minutes microwave) then back to the car. But a routine that may be preferable to demisting the car next day. Also they did smell a bit their first time in the microwave. This might improve with use. .
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Its a shame that a car as expensive as a mk4 Jazz.....
Expensive in Europe... In Japan (https://www.honda.co.jp/Fit/webcatalog/type/list/) it's a cheap people's car...
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I recently used silica gel dehumidifying pouches for the first time (2x500 gm) There was improvement, and would probably work well if only used for one night ,before being recharged (dried) in a microwave oven.
I suspect they may become saturated on day 1 and cease to absorb effectively from day 2 onwards.
And I found it quite inconvenient taking them indoors to microwave them in the recommended sequence (5 minutes microwaved, 15 minutes pause,5 more minutes microwave) then back to the car. But a routine that may be preferable to demisting the car next day. Also they did smell a bit their first time in the microwave. This might improve with use. .
Our other car is a eleven year old Mazda MX-5 fun machine with a cloth roof and here in South Devon condensation on the inside of the roof is a real problem especially in winter when the car gets less use. I have a 300 gm Pingi silica gel bag but yes, I suspect it is saturated in a day or so. I have started weighing it on a digital scale to discover how much water it can hold and how quickly it become saturated. No data yet though.
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Irritations/Annoyances
1. When you press Power, why isn't the handbrake switched on automatically?
2. Cannot switch off the RDMS permanently - it's pretty rubbish in the UK environment and could be set by speed to work on motorways?
3. Odd bings. Now it's winter, the camera/sensor block complains for about an hour. Probably condensation.
4. Auto cruise. The proximity sensor is too far - if you're overtaking a truck on French motorways, some idiot will be up your backside before you've overtaken.
5. Can't have cruise with Break Regen mode. Since we use it all the time, then cruise is useless to us - and see above.
6. Nav screen is small with the two info bars top and bottom. Google Maps is way superior.
7. The EU mandates the safety stuff but that hasn't stopped Renault from allowing a 'save' option so you can tailor them - why not Honda?
None of the above would make us change. It's compact size, economy, drive quality, comfort and storage are the best in an industry that makes bigger and heavier cars. Parkers laughably complain that it only has one engine choice - shame it's a brilliant one from a serious engineering company. It's about the same spec as our old 308 1.2, just 20 mpg more efficient.
We've had 3 Civics in a row in the past but the last 2 series just got too big.
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We've had 3 Civics in a row in the past but the last 2 series just got too big.
The last Honda we had was a 2002 Civic; the one which looked like an overfed Jazz.
It had a feature that is lacking on the Jazz. The windscreen washer reservoir was hidden in the wing so it was impossible to see how much fluid was there. However, there was a plastic tube attached to the filler cap so you could withdraw it with a finger over a hole in the cap and see how much was in there. Sadly the Jazz doesn't have it.
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embee999:
The cruise control distance sensitivity can be adjusted from the lower button on the steering wheel - I set mine to one bar and I’m happy with that.
Brake regeneration works when you take the foot off the accelerator, so it would be fighting cruise control if on together. If the cruise control needs to slow you down, it still uses brake regeneration.
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embee 999 .
I agree with Downsizer. Have you adjusted the ACC detection/follow distance?
Also , IMO, B mode is most beneficial in town or on steep descents, while ACC is best suited for long distance higher speed cruising on A roads and motorways. Why deny yourself the benefits of Adaptive cruise control when all you need do is use D mode for different circumstances ?
D mode may have a bit less engine braking than you normally expect in B mode, but you soon adapt to the difference. If it becomes necessary to slow more rapidly than possible by engine braking alone in D mode (or indeed B mode) the ACC automatically applies the brakes for you.
This safety feature might save you from an unexpected incident or your own fatigue/ inattention. IMO thats worth a bit of effort selecting D and learning to work in harmony with ACC and other drivers aids. Learning to anticipate its foibles and shortcomings, with you in charge and ready to take over if necessary.
Sometimes in heavy traffic the extra concentration required to properly supervise what the ACC is doing, or might or might not do, its easier to switch it off for a while . And maybe some drivers prefer the driver aids systems in other makes of car they have driven. None are perfect, or 'self driving' cars.
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Today I have driven from Bury St Edmunds to Brighouse, about 190 miles, almost all using Aset at 63 mph. There were two long tailbacks which the ACC handled well except when we stopped altogether, when it switched off. Car shows 60 mpg, probably a slight overestimate.