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Title: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kenneve on September 01, 2024, 11:56:19 AM
Now on my 2nd Mk4 and still loving them.
However I have a couple of issues, maybe someone can comment.

When stopped, eg at traffic lights, with the handbrake On and still in B or D, is the EV motor still trying to move the car against the the handbrake, or is the power Off in that situation?

Is it just me, or does anyone else find the Mk4 more difficult to reverse, compared with the earlier models?.
I’m thinking perhaps the door mirrors are smaller, or the rear camera view is different, compared with the earlier models.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Spodric on September 01, 2024, 12:29:09 PM
I don't understand the point of putting the "handbrake" on when waiting at traffic lights.

Small mirrors do make reversing more difficult. The reversing camera helps a bit. My other vehicle is a Fiat Ducato with huge door mirrors but no reversing camera. I find that large van easier to reverse accurately in some situations than the much smaller Jazz. I think we are heading towards cameras replacing mirrors, like in the Honda-E. For a very small aero advantage and tiny gain in mpg.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: 5thcivic on September 01, 2024, 12:37:39 PM
For a very small aero advantage and tiny gain in mpg.

As an aside, I find the cameras in the E much superior, brighter in all conditions and especially better at night. You can scan the view around like mechanical mirrors and switch between wide views. I've never cleaned them especially once yet, only the normal rear camera with the windsceen. The icing on the cake is the overall 360 degree view when reversing (or switchable at low speed), that is so good you really miss it when not there.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: coldstart on September 01, 2024, 12:40:05 PM
If the power flow display is any indication then the there is no power flow; regardless of normal brakes or hand brake.
Moreover the manual states to apply the (hand)brakes in order to hold the car on an incline instead of letting it hang in the motor.
So, the (hand)brakes must be a safe option to use.

@Spodric: Using the hand brake doesn't flash the brake lights which may be a courtesy to the person waiting behind you (especially at night and at a prolonged stay at a railway gate)

Reversing:
Since this is my first Jazz I have no comparison to previous models.
However, I have found that reversing solely by camera leaves the car slightly off center compared to reversing by mirrors only.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: shufty on September 01, 2024, 02:03:29 PM
I don't understand the point of putting the "handbrake" on when waiting at traffic lights.

 :-\ Strange comment.
What were you taught on your driving lessons / test.

How long would you sit with your foot on the brake then if you never put on the handbrake?
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Jazzik on September 01, 2024, 02:46:51 PM
How long would you sit with your foot on the brake then if you never put on the handbrake?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgA3ht38Sf7tgREu5no18TQXEu-Ck8f5Yh2A&s)

Not for a second! Honda provided us with this nice 'BRAKE HOLD' (http://) button that gives us the option to not keep our foot on the brake.
I paid for it, so I use it! ;D
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kremmen on September 01, 2024, 02:48:07 PM
I don't understand the point of putting the "handbrake" on when waiting at traffic lights.

I do that to extinguish the brake lights. I don't see the point in them dazzling the vehicle behind, especially at night. I don't like it so I don't do it to others

Each to their own on this though
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 01, 2024, 03:27:45 PM
Brake hold is a great feature, especially in stop/ start traffic ,queuing to go through border checks etc  .

I was taught to apply handbrake in my driving lessons, as it would be a test fail.  I do still apply it  ,despite all that effort of  flicking  a switch with my finger, when I consider it more appropriate than brake hold. 

 I was also taught how to use hand signals for left and right turns and slowing down , but life has moved on.   And I will I ever again get to demonstrate my double declutching skills.   (or handbrake turns  ;) )
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Jazzik on September 01, 2024, 03:43:46 PM
I was taught to apply handbrake in my driving lessons, as it would be a test fail.

They taught me the same thing back in 1966. But I can't remember that there were cars with 'brake hold' back then.
Bob Dylan already knew it... The times they are a-changin'... ;)
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kremmen on September 01, 2024, 05:17:13 PM
Q: (because I don't know)

If you're sat on brake hold and you need to exit the car quickly, would it stay with brakes on ?

I remember a colleague with a Citroen BX who had to escape quickly due to a fire and he was delayed due to being sat on the footbrake
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: coldstart on September 01, 2024, 05:29:50 PM
ahem - aren't we getting slightly off topic?

Don't you have anything to contribute about the reversing camera thingy?
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Nicksey on September 01, 2024, 05:39:19 PM
I don't understand the point of putting the "handbrake" on when waiting at traffic lights.

 :-\ Strange comment.
What were you taught on your driving lessons / test.

How long would you sit with your foot on the brake then if you never put on the handbrake?

Agreed. I use the 'handbrake' at every stop, thus keeping control of the car and my feet away from the pedals until required. Also as a courtesy to the driver behind me. Its how I was taught.

As to reversing, I find it easy and the camera coupled with the reversing proximity alarm sensors make it fool proof. I find the mirrors good too, as good as any previous car anyway.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Lincolnshire Rambler on September 01, 2024, 07:19:10 PM
The only time i put my handbrake on is at my railcrossing on my daily commute. The train can apppear as quickly as a min or quite a few by the time it eventually appears and the barriers open . In town i tend to use just the brake pedal as it makes for easier creep along as you dont need to touch the accelerator. Either way its a lot easier than a manual gearbox
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Jazzfan49 on September 01, 2024, 09:18:21 PM
Yes the mirrors are small but not a huge problem, can’t comment on the reversing camera as I don’t have one, I always use handbrake hold for convenience in short stop situations but if stationary for more than a second or two then the handbrake is applied, IMHO it’s bad manners and sloppy driving standards sitting stationary with your foot on the brake blinding the poor sod behind you YMMV.
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kremmen on September 02, 2024, 05:56:53 AM
For reversing I have my door mirrors angled so I can just see the door handles, both sides, and angled slightly downwards so I can also see the rear wheel arches

The mirrors for positioning and the rear camera as a guide as when to stop
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: shufty on September 02, 2024, 06:52:07 AM
Q: (because I don't know)

If you're sat on brake hold and you need to exit the car quickly, would it stay with brakes on?

...Yes. (Brakes are on as in reverts to 'handbrake' as other have mentioned, I was already out of the car by then so didn't notice the switch  ;D) You may get a bong (more of a chime I guess ;)) sound if you have the key in your pocket though.

As for reversing. The mk2 was so much easier to reverse than the MK4 was.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 02, 2024, 10:21:05 AM
I believe a few cars auto adjust the door mirror aim to show the kerb when reversing.  But you cant have everything or the jazz would be expensive  ( ;) ) 

I do sometimes adjust the mirror aim myself to see the kerb  when  reverse parallel parking.   
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: shufty on September 02, 2024, 10:31:56 AM
...The HR-V does that as long as you have the left mirror selected.

Has anyone checked that the newer model Jazz hasn't had that added?
If your mirror selector is in the middle or right then it wouldn't be obvious it was implemented.

Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Steve_M on September 02, 2024, 11:49:40 AM
Q: (because I don't know)

If you're sat on brake hold and you need to exit the car quickly, would it stay with brakes on ?


If you unbuckle your seatbelt, the system cancels brake hold and puts the parking brake on.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kremmen on September 02, 2024, 12:45:21 PM
Thanks

Still won't persuade me to use Brake Hold with permanent brake lights :)
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: aphybrid on September 02, 2024, 01:31:55 PM
Dazzle with brake hold on at junction surely has a bit of justification if it stops you being rear-ended?

brake hold for me is a superb feature, a part of what makes automatic driving a joy.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Bristol_Crosstar on September 02, 2024, 03:20:44 PM
The only time I wouldn't use brake hold is when it's dark and wet when dazzling is a problem, and also on steeper hills.

Regarding reversing it's the best I've had although as others have said if you park it purely on the camera you end up either off-centre or at a skew so I always use the mirrors as well. Was interested to here about the mirror adjustment on the HR-V, I'll try selecting the left mirror adjust next time I'm parking to see if that works.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: JB on September 02, 2024, 03:43:07 PM
I had a vauxhall insignia before my jazz when you put the insignia in reverse
it would tilt the left hand mirror down no matter where the mirror adjustment
switch was at, I could park easier and better with the tilting mirror on the large
car than I can with a camera on a small car more straight and level, suppose if
I wanted I could tilt the mirror down by using the switch but it was very useful
and handy when it tilted when you engaged reverse.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: aphybrid on September 02, 2024, 03:45:36 PM
Q: (because I don't know)

If you're sat on brake hold and you need to exit the car quickly, would it stay with brakes on ?

I remember a colleague with a Citroen BX who had to escape quickly due to a fire and he was delayed due to being sat on the footbrake

Not tried it but imagine the brakes will stay on.
Regardless if car on fire first duty to self and passengers is to get as far away aspossible!!
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Spodric on September 02, 2024, 07:54:24 PM
I don't understand the point of putting the "handbrake" on when waiting at traffic lights.

I do that to extinguish the brake lights. I don't see the point in them dazzling the vehicle behind, especially at night. I don't like it so I don't do it to others

Each to their own on this though

in 2002 I was rear-ended by a van while stopped at red traffic lights. The van driver failed to brake in time. I was in my Vectra. My car shot forward from the impact, but stopped just before hitting the car in front. Leaving a gap made sense. But ... Whiplash!  :o

The brighter my brake lights, the safer I feel. If they dazzle that's not my problem. I get dazzled by other cars, especially those with the currently fashionable "bridge" light across the back end.

Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 03, 2024, 10:02:00 AM
I think I have said before. If I find the brake lights of the car in front are  dazzling me, due to darkness etc, I will stop using brake hold so I dont inflict the same on the driver behind.   

Thats actual discomfort, not just  annoyed outrage that the driver is not applying the handbrake each stop as I was  taught to do 50 years ago etc. 

And I am judging my 'dazzle  tolerance ' as a 71 year old  , not a youngster oblivious that some drivers, especially older ones, might struggle more with darkness and bright lights.   8)
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: RomanianJazz on September 03, 2024, 11:40:42 AM
I think I have said before. If I find the brake lights of the car in front are  dazzling me, due to darkness etc, I will stop using brake hold so I dont inflict the same on the driver behind.   

If it's dark, you should make yourself less visible? Very brave.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: davejazz on September 03, 2024, 11:44:30 AM


And I am judging my 'dazzle  tolerance ' as a 71 year old  , not a youngster oblivious that some drivers, especially older ones, might struggle more with darkness and bright lights.   8)

LV…..As you were born 1953 ish, most of us on here, would regard you as one of our youngsters.

Keep your interesting posts coming, before you get fuddled!
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Karoq on September 03, 2024, 11:54:52 AM
I can't speak for the Jazz, but every car I have owned with 'brake hold', including eHev HR-V & CR-V the brake hold is a pointless gizmo. it will release automatically after a few minutes. If you happen to be pointing uphill it can be very embarrassing as you roll back into the car behind you!!  ::) Unless you are very quick on the foot brake.
Far better IMO to use the parking brake which will stay on until you pull away and then auto release.
I sometimes wonder how on earth we managed without all this electronic cr*ppery they fit to modern 'horseless carriages'.
Actually having to move something called a gear stick whilst depressing a clutch pedal and steering at the same time :o. actually having to pull a lever to ensure the car won't roll away, let alone look where you were going when reversing and watching a speedometer to know if you are breaking the speed limit without bings and bongs warning you of various misdemeanours. But then I am 78!! ;D
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Jazzik on September 03, 2024, 01:07:32 PM
I can't speak for the Jazz, but every car I have owned with 'brake hold', including eHev HR-V & CR-V the brake hold is a pointless gizmo. it will release automatically after a few minutes. If you happen to be pointing uphill it can be very embarrassing as you roll back into the car behind you!!  ::) Unless you are very quick on the foot brake.

I can speak for the Jazz. Brake hold automatically cancels after about 10 minutes and then the handbrake is automatically activated.
See the Jazz Owner`s Manual page 502:
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/manuals-and-guides/honda-owners-manuals/_jcr_content/par1/textcolumnwithimagem_1653971839/textColumn/richtextdownload_90f/file.res/2021%20Jazz%20Owner%60s%20Manual.pdf

So 'embarrassment of rolling backwards' is simply impossible.
I wonder if there was something wrong with your eHEV HR-V & CR-V or maybe they had a different (unsafe) brake hold system? Doesn't seem very logical to me.
Maybe you just write something and never tried it? (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/c066.gif)
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 03, 2024, 01:35:28 PM
I think I have said before. If I find the brake lights of the car in front are  dazzling me, due to darkness etc, I will stop using brake hold so I dont inflict the same on the driver behind.   

If it's dark, you should make yourself less visible? Very brave.
Eh?  If there is nothing behind me I wont be dazzling its driver so will probably still have my brake hold on and the next driver to arrive  will see my bright brake lights. Or if its particularly dangerous, such as an unexpected stop on a motorway, I would put my hazard lights on as an extra warning. Once  another car has stopped behind me  me I can switch off hazard lights and decide whether continuing to use brake hold in that light etc  will dazzle other drivers. If the traffic queue  is frequently stopping and starting, brake lights will often be displayed anyway.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kremmen on September 03, 2024, 02:57:12 PM
I've got away with it for over 50 years :)
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: aphybrid on September 03, 2024, 03:02:41 PM
Previous quote - "I can't speak for the Jazz, but every car I have owned with 'brake hold', including eHev HR-V & CR-V the brake hold is a pointless gizmo. it will release automatically after a few minutes. If you happen to be pointing uphill it can be very embarrassing as you roll back into the car behind you!!  ::) Unless you are very quick on the foot brake."

When stopping, ie coming to rest fully firm application of the footbrake applies brake hold, if not applied firmly brake hold does not apply.

Previous quote re leaving car with brake hold applied - the car stays stationary brake hold does not release - tried it on my sloping driveway.

If reversing after brake hold has been applied it will release as normal, BUT BEWARE brake hold does apply when reversing after a release like that.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: ColinS on September 03, 2024, 05:20:05 PM
Brake hold on the HR-V (facelift model) works flawlessly. It disengages after about 10 minutes, at which time it automatically engages the parking brake.  So no dramas.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: coldstart on September 03, 2024, 06:02:41 PM
Anybody else notice that we seem to have lost the topic starter @Kenneve over all the brake hold/lights bickering?

Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kenneve on September 03, 2024, 07:45:07 PM
Anybody else notice that we seem to have lost the topic starter @Kenneve over all the brake hold/lights bickering?
Yes, I think only one member has attempted to answer the question re whether the EV motor is trying to move the car, when in D or B mode, with the handbrake on?
I usually have the handbrake set to auto release, for moving off.

I know with a conventional auto gearbox, the engine WILL be trying to move the car when in gear with the handbrake on, but still not sure about EV.

And re reversing with the mirrors, I’ve tried moving them to different positions, but still think they need to be larger, just my opinion!
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: aphybrid on September 03, 2024, 07:47:59 PM
Anybody else notice that we seem to have lost the topic starter @Kenneve over all the brake hold/lights bickering?

this is normal for a lot of topics.............age related?
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: 5thcivic on September 03, 2024, 10:04:56 PM
Why on earth would you design to waste battery running an electric motor with the handbrake on? The motor has instant torque as soon as you touch the pedal to apply voltage and current (and disengage the brake if so selected). Surely the only "clutch" is to add the petrol engine to the electric motor as required mostly at high speed or perhaps quick acceleration?
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 04, 2024, 11:17:59 AM
The original post raised two issues  ,which increases the chances of drifting off topic somewhat.

Honda make no warning about preventing possible wear and tear when stopped in P or B.   Unlike a conventional hydraulic torque converter  where the fluid may still be churning away and subject to degradation when the car is restrained on its brakes or  by its dead weight  . Or a manual car held on a hill on its clutch.

I dont know for sure but get the impression the Jazz is smart enough to know when its handbrake/brake hold/ hill start assist is holding the car . I think its power saving technology prevents any unnecessary power going to the electric drive . Until  you touch the throttle, even slightly ,to indicate  you want the car to move off.  when the brakes are released I think enough power goes to the electric drive to allow the car to creep without using the throttle. ( A useful feature for manoeuvring) Sometimes hill start assist will hold the car and not release brakes it until you are using enough throttle  that the electric drive motor is able to take over the task of holding the car on a hill without rolling back.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: davejazz on September 04, 2024, 05:08:23 PM
On a steep uphill, (unless it’s the side of a mountain), it’s a simple matter to swivel from the brake pedal to the accelerator, without the car rolling backwards. In the quarter second that takes, technically you may lose 2 inches, when the car re adjusts on its suspension,  but I don’t think the driver behind you will notice that!
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: coldstart on September 04, 2024, 07:18:20 PM
Unlike ICEs, electric motors have their maximum torque from zero revs.
Unfortunately they can easily overheat in this state (which may be the cause of the initial question).

That's probably why Honda tells us to apply the breaks to hold the car so the power can be cut.
Unlike ICEs which need certain revs to merely idle an electric motor has no such needs and hence doesn't need power while the car is standing still.

I completely agree with @davejazz that the moment from switching the foot from brake to accelerator doesn't count.

Long story short: I think that Honda has thought about that (after all it would be pointless to waste energy while the brakes are applied, wouldn't it?)
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Lincolnshire Rambler on September 04, 2024, 09:03:02 PM
I think as LV and coldstart have said the power control is very smart and looking at data thousands of times a second . Our human best response is 23 milliseconds so when we think its an instant reaction in technology time thats a long time !
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Nicksey on September 05, 2024, 08:00:26 AM
On a steep uphill, (unless it’s the side of a mountain), it’s a simple matter to swivel from the brake pedal to the accelerator, without the car rolling backwards. In the quarter second that takes, technically you may lose 2 inches, when the car re adjusts on its suspension,  but I don’t think the driver behind you will notice that!

In my previous Renaults, they all came with 'hill assist'. Surely, Honda have a similar feature built in. I have never experienced any issues with the Jazz when starting on a hill. Stop with foot brake, lift hand brake button, off the foot brake... foot on accelerator, press hand brake button down and smoothly accelerate away, with no fall back between the operation.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 05, 2024, 10:17:08 AM
Yes  the Mk4 jazz has Hill start assist.  You are not always aware when it has actually assisted you.

Here is the Honda information centre explanation of the benefits .

https://www.hondainfocenter.com/Shared-Technologies/Chassis/Hill-Start-Assist-All/

 I think  even if   you braked to a stop on a hill ,then either apply the handbrake manually  , or the footbrake remains applied for up to 10 minutes after you come off the brake pedal because you are using 'brake hold' , Hill start assist will still prevent the car rolling  when you auto release  the handbrake/ brakes by using some  throttle.

It works both facing uphill and downhill.   But while it works a treat  for preventing you rolling back on  an uphill start you need to be cautious  when facing downhill. The car wont be released and roll until you use some throttle  but when you do  it may accelerate downhill faster than you initially expected from the small amount of throttle. 
Title: Re: Mk4 issue
Post by: Kenneve on September 06, 2024, 07:41:05 PM
Well, it looks like I’ve answered my own question, re power with the brakes on.
Today I did a few miles and kept my eye on the power distribution feature, (traffic permitting).

I  can now confirm that, when stationary with the footbrake or the handbrake applied, NO power is applied to the wheels, by the EV motor.

The instant the accelerator is touched, in my case the handbrake releases automatically and power is applied to the wheels by the EV motor, sufficient to allow the car to creep forwards.

It’s also interesting see at what stages, charging occurs, far more frequently than I thought ;D
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: tonytan on September 27, 2024, 07:18:41 PM
Can someone advise me whether the "brake hold" button can be set in a default mode i.e when turned on will remain on regardless of whether the ignition is turned off. I find that at the moment if I want to use the brake hold function it has to be turned on at every journey after the ignition has been turned off. I know there is a setting where you can have the handbrake automatically applied whenever the ignition is turned off but that function is obviously different from brake hold.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: 5thcivic on September 27, 2024, 10:24:31 PM
It must be manually set, even then it will switch off after about 10 mins or so of stationary so there must be some safety reason behind it.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Hicardo on September 27, 2024, 10:59:13 PM
Love brake hold, never found it to be a problem in 3 years of owning the Crosstar
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: aphybrid on September 28, 2024, 07:52:32 AM
I think I read it is on by default on ZRV?
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kremmen on September 28, 2024, 08:24:37 AM
I've already posted a few times why I don't use it
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: shufty on September 28, 2024, 08:42:12 AM
I think I read it is on by default on ZRV?

...And Hr-v.

It makes a huge difference not having to manually engage it from start up, way more than you'd think.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: aphybrid on September 28, 2024, 04:56:15 PM
thoroughly agree with shufty, would prefer it by default
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Nicksey on September 28, 2024, 08:04:02 PM
Agree with Kremen, never use it. There is nothing wrong with applying the handbrake as I was taught to do.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Jazzik on September 28, 2024, 09:06:10 PM
There is nothing wrong with applying the handbrake as I was taught to do.

And as I was taught to do too.... some 57 years ago when no one had ever heard of 'Brake Hold'....
But the times they are a-changin', Bob Dylan already knew in 1964.  ;)
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kremmen on September 29, 2024, 04:33:06 AM
In my book it's all a matter of courtesy to the vehicle occupants behind
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Hicardo on September 29, 2024, 09:03:33 PM
If I was behind me, it wouldn't bother me  ;D
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: shufty on September 29, 2024, 09:24:39 PM
In my book it's all a matter of courtesy to the vehicle occupants behind
...Nothing to do with being courteous to others behind and not dazzling them.

We're not talking about night time driving just the convenience and safety of brake hold being on before you put on the electronic handbrake.

 You don't need it if you are only stopping for a short while, so your hand shouldn't have to leave the steering wheel to activate the 'handbrake' and it would stop you from having to look down for it if you needed to anyway.

I can't see why people are against using it as it's a safety feature that works well.
I use it all the time obviously but it doesn't stop me using the 'handbrake' at all.
It's not a one or the other situation.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 30, 2024, 09:56:59 AM
I am a great fan of brake hold ,when it is appropriate to use it. Which in my opinion is most of the time.

But I dont think there should be an option in settings so it is 'always on' at start up .
 Its very easy to select or deselect brake hold  . And by having to do so  ,each and every driver who uses the car  will be reminded that they have deliberately chosen to use a function that may not be appropriate in all circumstances.   
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kremmen on September 30, 2024, 02:04:12 PM
In my book it's all a matter of courtesy to the vehicle occupants behind
...Nothing to do with being courteous to others behind and not dazzling them.


It is to me, I don't like it with 3 high intensity LED's so I don't do it to others

But, it's there, so if you like it and don't care about those behind then use it

..... and if you see another Jazz who's pulled up about a car and a half length behind it could be me
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: shufty on September 30, 2024, 02:21:44 PM
...In the middle of the day you are not going to get dazzled but as that isn't the topic and as I keep saying it's nothing to do with that as I still use the 'handbrake' at junctions if I'm not moving in a timely fashion.

You keep going on about those behind so I see you're not getting the point.
Do as you wish  >:(

I give up, some people are so set in their ways. I realise some of you have been driving years before many of us were born but we have moved on. Cars have moved on.
I don't understand why some of you have bought a car with so many things on it that you switch of or just don't use. Seems a waste of money. Glad it's not mine  :-X
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Jazzik on September 30, 2024, 03:02:26 PM
..... and if you see another Jazz who's pulled up about a car and a half length behind it could be me

Now I understand who causes those long traffic jams!(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/froehlich/a049.gif)
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: aphybrid on September 30, 2024, 08:04:10 PM
Time to draw this to an end?

Even put a brake on it?
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: 5thcivic on October 03, 2024, 08:23:55 PM
Back to issues, 2nd service today (5 year paid for), just over 2000 miles,  told them the passenger door mirror had started graunching on closing the day before! Car came back no service issues, just then phone call - can you pop in for an hour next week when the mirror will be changed under warranty?  Can't complain about that.

I wonder if a brake simulator would be as easy?  >:(

While waiting I must remember to ask the service people if they have had many brake simulator failures and done under warranty. Might not be willing to talk to customers about such a "delicate" question? I will mention it will put me off other Hondas in the future if not addressed by higher management.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Nicksey on October 04, 2024, 07:54:33 AM
Back to issues, 2nd service today (5 year paid for), just over 2000 miles


You do mean 20,000 miles surely?
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kremmen on October 04, 2024, 09:02:06 AM
Not necessarily, my Sep 21 is just approaching 4k

As soon as my new to me house DIY is done I'm selling up. No point having it with my pathetic mileage

Spend more time CTEK 12v charging and going on monthly runs for the HV

I've got a load of shops within a 5 min walk and a regular bus into town, every 20 mins, a 3 min walk away

My local shops :

(https://i.imgur.com/65AKsV1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vmvZXMb.jpg)



 
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: peteo48 on October 04, 2024, 10:37:48 AM
Does make you think when you do a very low mileage. I'm on 5700 with a car purchased in October 2021. At present I do need the car as my wife is in a care home that's not that easy to get to on the bus. That apart I can do most things by bus and train or, in extremis, a taxi. I've more or less decided this is my last car.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: embee on October 04, 2024, 12:25:42 PM
Back to issues, 2nd service today (5 year paid for), just over 2000 miles
You do mean 20,000 miles surely?
I bought my mk.3 at two years old with 1500mls on the clock, one little lady owner and always garaged, it looked like a new car inside and out, and under the bonnet too. She had traded it in for a new mk.4 !!!
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Nicksey on October 04, 2024, 04:08:09 PM
Back to issues, 2nd service today (5 year paid for), just over 2000 miles
You do mean 20,000 miles surely?
I bought my mk.3 at two years old with 1500mls on the clock, one little lady owner and always garaged, it looked like a new car inside and out, and under the bonnet too. She had traded it in for a new mk.4 !!!

Wow. I sometimes see these extremely low mileages, for what are very expensive cars! I wonder why you spend so much money on such a car, and not drive it.. when you could spend at least half the money on a Dacia or similar and never stress the engine or have reliability problems because you're doing such a paltry mileage.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Kremmen on October 04, 2024, 04:19:51 PM
In my case my Civic was almost 10 years old and at the time I needed a car to drive between London and Reading fortnightly

You can't take it with you so after a test drive I went for the Jazz

It's only now I'm living near Reading I'm not doing the mileage

Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: 5thcivic on October 04, 2024, 04:54:51 PM
I just like the Jazz to drive, don't think any other hybrid or auto of the same size would be as pleasureable. Only slight downside is the styling which is not as sleek as the best of the Civics were, but they are too big now.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: aphybrid on October 04, 2024, 05:56:55 PM
Myabe we should just open a Subject - General ramblings good and bad.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Toptek on October 04, 2024, 06:44:37 PM
Myabe we should just open a Subject - General ramblings good and bad.
Before you do.... I bought a Mk3 after owning a CRV convincing myself I could cope with a small car after loving my 1984 B reg Ford Fiesta and new 56 plate Swift. Unfortunately, mid life spread is making me feel feel like I should have bought a bigger car.
Title: Re: Mk4 issues
Post by: Tox Laximus on October 06, 2024, 08:19:58 AM
Brake hold is a great feature, especially in stop/ start traffic ,queuing to go through border checks etc  .

I was taught to apply handbrake in my driving lessons, as it would be a test fail.  I do still apply it  ,despite all that effort of  flicking  a switch with my finger, when I consider it more appropriate than brake hold. 

 I was also taught how to use hand signals for left and right turns and slowing down , but life has moved on.   And I will I ever again get to demonstrate my double declutching skills.   (or handbrake turns  ;) )

I've always said electronic handbrakes switch should be on the steering wheel or the car should apply it automatically when you stop, but we have brake hold instead and I like it.

I've never been bothered or bothered anyone by holding brakes automatically or manually since 1989 when I passed my driving test.

1989 was a good year, Batman 89 rocks, the Batmobile could drive itself with voice commands, today that's actually possible, but I don't think the Batmobile could get 52 mpg.  ;D