Author Topic: Valves are ticking even after being adjusted, could it be Timing chain issue?  (Read 2402 times)

cavosavosk

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Hello!

I have a Jazz 03 with almost 260k km on the clock for around a year and a half now. General maintenance is being done roughly every 10-12k km. But I still have one big issue as the title says.

On cold start the car is quiet, the oil is still thick but not even after 10-15 seconds the orchestra begins. I start to hear valves clicking a lot (i assume its the valves, coz i checked videos on Youtube where it was similar). With higher RPMs i cannot hear it, maybe a bit if i concentrate, due to general engine noise.

I had my valves adjusted approximately at 245k km. It helped just a little, but not by much.
One thing I observed recently when going up our small sloped driveway was that when I let the clutch slip a bit whilist going up on idle (not pressing gas) was that the clicking went silent.

I suspect these things:
Timing chain is too loose? (tensioner failing or chain being too stretched out)
If the timing chain is failing, couldnt it skip a teeth too? (some engines are able to function even if the timing isnt 100 percent right)
Could there be some wear on camshaft or rocker arms?
Valve clearance still not good?


The car still runs and drives very well, but I want it to be mechanically in order. The engine, apart from this issue, is pretty healthy and isn't consuming oil (oil level between changes barely decreased, someone tackled that already). And for god's sake I know that Jazz can be quiet, since one elderly couple in my village has the same Jazz and I sound like a tractor going past compared to them :D

Any clues?
« Last Edit: October 14, 2025, 03:36:29 PM by cavosavosk »

Lord Voltermore

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Could it be a problem with  one or more of the hydraulic valve lifters  ? .  maybe a plunger is not moving as freely  as it should in its bore  ,or its not getting a good oil supply  due to a blockage of an oil passage, oil check valve  ,low oil pressure, contamination etc.  etc.     When you adjust valve clearances on a  stationary engine you wouldnt necessary detect this problem  as the valve lifter  has had plenty of time to  move to its correct position.

I'm not an expert   so these are just theories.. :-[. Please do your own research and maybe seek expert advice before spending money. 

Maybe in the first few seconds of starting a cold engine the  'sticky' lifter (s)  may be stuck in its raised, 'high ' position so the rotating cam lobe never reaches the plunger and the camshaft is able to rotate without the cam lobe 'slapping' the affected lifter (s) .   But once oil pressure builds up i8t  starts to move a bit  but not well enough  to remain in constant  contact with the rotating cams highs and lows.  The cam will rotate faster than the lifter is able to move and may  slap into it.      I hope this makes sense.

Oil pressure might increase  at higher revs  with temporary improvement.    Before spending too much money on the repairs it might be worth getting the oil pressure checked with a  gauge.  An oil and filter change may help if its not been done recently.   

Bear in mind that elderly couples often dont drive their cars very far each year   Their engine may have done far fewer kilometers than yours yet still received regular annual oil changes. 
« Last Edit: October 16, 2025, 09:46:59 AM by Lord Voltermore »
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cavosavosk

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Jazz doesnt have self adjusting hydraulic valve lifters, so there goes that. Regarding that oil lubing and it not reaching lifters properly, i also thought about that. I thought about using some oil additive to clean out those canals, but i am kinda worried that it would do more damage.

I am on my second oil change since i own it, doing it after 10-12k km (using good oil and quality filters). One notable thing is that i used thicker oil 10w-40 instead of 5w-30/5w-40. Honda doesnt say it shall not be used, its even listed as alternative (we put it in coz we wanted to minimize possibility of oil consumption which is nonexistent anyways). God knows what maintenance was done by previous owners, but they said it was done every year during 6 yrs they owned it... But i doubt they ever got valves adjusted.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2025, 08:16:59 AM by cavosavosk »

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Could the noise be coming from the opening and closing of the fuel injectors?  I have had noisy injectors in the past.

cavosavosk

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I will take a video of a cold start this weekend. It definetly aint the injectors

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