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Lord Voltermore

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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #885 on: June 18, 2025, 09:55:21 AM »
Welcome to the forum

A grinding noise from the brakes is more likely to be rusting on the brake discs . Not  connected to the  brake simulator recall. 

All cars can suffer from disc rusting. Light rusting  can form overnight in damp conditions, or even after washing the car.   It normally clears itself quite quickly when the car is driven and the brakes applied . It can get worse if and take longer to clear if  cars are not driven for some time,(maybe awaiting sale)    or only used occasionally for short journeys.  Hybrids are slightly more vulnerable because  you tend to use the brakes less because they slow themselves down using  regenerative braking   (A bit like engine braking).
On a higher mileage cars  it might be a sign that brake pads/discs need replacement.
This issue was probably fixed  as an incidental part of the work done for the brake simulator recall.   

I think the dealers attitude to the recall is a separate matter .   The brake simulator issue is quite technical, and dealerships may attempt to 'dumb down' on details when speaking to customers who may not be familiar with the issue or have any mechanical knowledge.   Also Honda have been criticised for trying to minimise the seriousness of the situation when dealing with customers ,and their previous reluctance to accept responsibility for a recall.  Forums like this one have 'persuaded' them to take responsibility and the problem is being fixed. 
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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #886 on: June 18, 2025, 07:35:35 PM »
I noticed my brakes were not quite right grinding sound ...

Hi and welcome to the forum!

Did you lately drive some gravel(ly) roads?  (I'm asking because a pebble logded between the disc and the air duct can make some "horrible" noises)

The brake failure issue discussed in this thread manifests in many warnings being displayed simultanously and a very different brake pedal feel but not by any noises whatsoever.


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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #887 on: June 27, 2025, 08:00:06 AM »
Had my car recall completed yesterday.

This topic has gone on for some time but has anyone noted the number of members here who actually suffered a failure - what percentage of forum does that represent?

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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #888 on: June 27, 2025, 11:49:21 AM »
That would be most interesting, together with the years of those affected, as I am considering buying a MK4 to replace SWMBO's Mk3.
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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #889 on: June 27, 2025, 03:40:22 PM »
That would be most interesting, together with the years of those affected, as I am considering buying a MK4 to replace SWMBO's Mk3.

I chose my MY24 (23) facelift version Karoq so that I wouldn’t have to worry about the brake issue

I would definitely recommend buying the facelifted version for peace of mind

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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #890 on: June 27, 2025, 05:14:22 PM »
Had my car recall completed yesterday.

This topic has gone on for some time but has anyone noted the number of members here who actually suffered a failure - what percentage of forum does that represent?

I would be more interested to know of what percentage of Jazz Mk 4 owners in the UK actually were members of this forum.
How many owners in the MS, NS & PS Vin series are members, and how many of these series are actually driving around the UK.
I suspect forum members are a very tiny and negligable percentage overall.

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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #891 on: June 28, 2025, 05:18:51 PM »
Did anyone else pay for a failed brake operating simulator to be repaired before the recall? If so , have you been able to claim the cost from Honda?

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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #892 on: June 28, 2025, 08:38:15 PM »
My jazz had its replacement brake oedal simulator yesterday . Cannot detect any difference in braking so far !

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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #893 on: June 29, 2025, 11:29:40 AM »
Had my car recall completed yesterday.

This topic has gone on for some time but has anyone noted the number of members here who actually suffered a failure - what percentage of forum does that represent?

I would be more interested to know of what percentage of Jazz Mk 4 owners in the UK actually were members of this forum.
How many owners in the MS, NS & PS Vin series are members, and how many of these series are actually driving around the UK.
I suspect forum members are a very tiny and negligable percentage overall.

I think for information on this we should try to stick to what we know/can verify instead of wandering off to varied tangents as far too often happens.

If national figures required by individual then please approach Honda - good luck with that.

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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #894 on: June 29, 2025, 03:05:37 PM »
Had my car recall completed yesterday.

This topic has gone on for some time but has anyone noted the number of members here who actually suffered a failure - what percentage of forum does that represent?

I would be more interested to know of what percentage of Jazz Mk 4 owners in the UK actually were members of this forum.
How many owners in the MS, NS & PS Vin series are members, and how many of these series are actually driving around the UK.
I suspect forum members are a very tiny and negligable percentage overall.

I think for information on this we should try to stick to what we know/can verify instead of wandering off to varied tangents as far too often happens.

If national figures required by individual then please approach Honda - good luck with that.

Yes, agree to some point... but my point was how many MK4 owners are there on this forum with the affected Vin numbers. Probably very few in the great sheme of things.

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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #895 on: June 29, 2025, 03:28:36 PM »
Have we seen about a dozen actual failures in our group ? Think thats going to be a small % of cars in the “ defective batch “ so maybe honda will replace 9out of 10 brake pedal simulators that havent / not going to exhibit any failures. They just dont know which one in the batch will fail so they are all swapped out. Wonder if all the units swapped out will be returned to honda so they will be investigated ?

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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #896 on: June 29, 2025, 06:51:24 PM »
I had mine done on Friday too so it was a good day for sorting out Honda brake simulators.  My stress levels have gone down considerably.  ::)

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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #897 on: June 30, 2025, 12:21:47 PM »
I have  not been directly affected by the issue. But IIRC, Honda Europe/UK only  slowly, and reluctantly moved towards accepting  liability for the fault,under warranty and eventually as a recall. And only then because of increasing pressure from consumer groups such as this forum  who knew Honda had already accepted liability ,and doing recalls, in other countries.

During this period  some customers were still charged for the work, but Honda gradually became more amenable to price reductions as 'a goodwill gesture', and possibly made refunds or partial refunds for sums already paid.    At least to those customers who knew enough to complain, with effective arguments.   

If I had paid for repairs I would  expect a full refund from Honda  ,and would take them to the 'small claims' court if necessary.  Now they accept its a free recall issue  I dont think they have much of  a defence for having previously charged customers for the same work.     

Be aware that initially you may be dealing with "Honda Administration"  who are in reality an independent  business solutions company , TWG Services Ltd  .   Their business model is to save Honda money by refusing as many complaints and claims as possible ,which may never reach Honda.  Dont accept  an initial rejection. Persevere to ensure its considered by Honda themselves.  Its their reputation at risk, not TWG Ltd.

I would recommend keeping any communication with Honda, dealerships etc  as polite  and as reasonable as possible. And maybe give them a chance to do the right thing   before threatening court action.  Indeed you need to show you have  tried to settle the claim with them  before taking any court action. . Keep a record of any communication sent or received as it may need to be submitted as evidence to the court. 

https://www.gov.uk/make-court-claim-for-money
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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #898 on: June 30, 2025, 01:34:43 PM »
If you have had to pay for this to be repaired you are definitely due a refund from Honda. Paying for a manufacturers fault is totally out of order

Luckily you have this forum to back up your claim as so many people have had their cars repaired at no charge

Absolutely don’t accept that it’s a paid for repair, it’s definitely not.  Honda are very aware of the issue so don’t take no for an answer

If necessary take Honda to small claims court…. Honda will definitely settle out of court as they don’t have a leg to stand on

Have you spoken to Honda UK about this yet?

You are definitely due a refund  ;)

Out of interest how much was the repair bill?
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Re: Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure
« Reply #899 on: June 30, 2025, 07:38:16 PM »
Yes it was a bit disconcerting to first heard of the simulator failure -did make you think when driving down a steep hill what if it failed now …! So far in all my car journeys i have only experienced brake failure once and that was as a child when my fathers austin cambridge burst a hose and tbe car stopped by driving through the solid wood garage door …!before dual circuit brakes and brake servos .. !!😃

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