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Title: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: JJazz on March 22, 2025, 05:06:27 AM: Today’s Daily Mail

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-14524509/The-Honda-Jazz-understated-star-RAY-MASSEY-hatchback-accidental-hero.html
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Post by: Karoq on March 22, 2025, 11:25:28 AM: I have just read that article and although he did mention the prices, he did not say how expansive Hondas are compared to similar makes. Nor did he mention the ridiculous insurance costs for Honda cars. Presumably because he had it on loan and couldn't be bothered to investigate Insurance costs.
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Jazzik on March 22, 2025, 11:30:22 AM: The Honda Jazz is of course a modest star. An excellent little car, spacious, practical, economical. It's just a shame that the buying public doesn't want it. And that has very annoying consequences.
Here in Poland, after the facelift, the only available Jazz model is the Crosstar. No Elegance, Advance or Advance Sport. https://www.honda.pl/cars.html

The Honda dealer here in Toruń has given up and disappeared (is now a Cupra dealer), ditto the dealer 45 kilometers (28 miles) away in Bydgoszcz.
The nearest dealer is now 130 km. (81 miles). One way!
https://www.honda.pl/cars/find-a-dealer.html#search?query=Toru%C5%84

Our next (and who knows, our last?) new car will be a hybrid again. But definitely not a Honda. (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/c074.gif)
It could easily be a Toyota again.(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/froehlich/a025.gif) Or a Renault Clio...(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/c086.gif)
Or maybe that (much cheaper but promising) Chinese MG3 Hybrid+?(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/a014.gif)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSrK1KRdOX-6jGLfXD-u82nimYykb0RaUBnjlbw6LQ0J9z7airIajXP7CnGTfJZyxIOVPA&usqp=CAUU)

MG has had a dealer here for over a year now, who is making great strides and has already built up an excellent reputation for service!

Too bad, Honda! This is not our first Honda but it is the last, despite the fact that they were really very good!
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Kremmen on March 22, 2025, 12:05:51 PM: I can't moan about insurance because LV dropped mine from 450 last year to 371 this year

No idea why it dropped so much
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Bristol_Crosstar on March 22, 2025, 03:16:43 PM: Quote from: Kremmen on March 22, 2025, 12:05:51 PM
I can't moan about insurance because LV dropped mine from 450 last year to 371 this year

No idea why it dropped so much
I've just had a renewal quote on my Sport from LV for £270, that's an increase of £20 from last year. I moved to them last year after my renewal quote from Direct Line was almost double.
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Kremmen on March 22, 2025, 03:59:12 PM: Just guessing.......

Could it be that my car had its first MOT last Aug and LV have a check and my 4,500 miles since Sep 21 worked in my favour ?

or, is the statement from Which? that insurance companies are now favouring cars with numerous safety system like the MK4 ?

Answers on a postcard .....
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Post by: ninanina on March 22, 2025, 04:41:02 PM: The reviewer didn’t really compare his Advance, price wise, against the competition; the Jazz is an expensive car but so are its equivalents like the top spec Yaris etc. All cars are expensive now even smaller ones

I’ve not found my Jazz Advance to be that expensive to insure. When I purchased my Jazz I got a very favourable quote from my insurance company; my previous Prius was valued at £16,000 and the Jazz at about £22,000 but I only paid a little extra for it to be swapped over
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: ninanina on March 22, 2025, 04:54:22 PM: In my opinion Jazzik you really should only be considering a Toyota or a Honda for long term reliability

Renault has an awful history reliability wise and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. The Chinese cars seem extremely tempting but they don’t come with any history whatsoever and apparently they are having trouble getting parts etc

Even the ‘other’ Japanese brand Nissan comes with a lot of compromises reliability wise

At the moment the only brands I would be happy to purchase would be Toyota or Honda and if that means paying a premium I’m happy to pay it for reliability long term

If you only keep your car for a short while, on PCP etc, then you don’t have to worry about long term reliability but I normally keep my cars for a long time so it’s much more important to me
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: DAN@ADRIAN FLUX on March 22, 2025, 08:16:35 PM: Hi.
If anyone ever needs any help with insurance at all then please feel free to drop me a line.
Regards,
Dan.
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Nicksey on March 23, 2025, 07:17:20 AM: Quote from: ninanina on March 22, 2025, 04:54:22 PM
In my opinion Jazzik you really should only be considering a Toyota or a Honda for long term reliability

Renault has an awful history reliability wise and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

Really?
I had 12 Renaults previous to my Jazz. I started with a 2nd generation Clio, and had both incarnations of Meganne, both first 2 incarnations of Scenic (I didn't go for the 3rd gen as it became too big) Capturs and then another Clio. I never had any trouble whatsoever with any car, apart from a couple of coils on the 2nd gen Scenic, which was a design fault.. and both changed/updated gratis.
When I decided to go for a hybrid, I wanted to try the Renault Alpina. At the time, this was getting more favourable reviews than the Jazz. Unfortunately, there was only 1 test driver available, between 3 dealers. I just couldn't get a look in as it was always booked. I was looking at a 6 month wait!
The Honda dealer was around the corner, so by chance I called in.. the rest is history as they say.
I will point out though, that with my 22 plate Jazz I have so far needed both mirror motors replacing, the windscreen started delaminating and I am in the VIN range for the brake simulator fault. So, in my opinion the Renaults have all been far more reliable than my Honda.
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Jazzik on March 23, 2025, 11:30:59 AM: Quote from: ninanina on March 22, 2025, 04:54:22 PM
In my opinion Jazzik you really should only be considering a Toyota or a Honda for long term reliability

Toyota: Lots of problems with 12 volt batteries.
Honda: Brake operating simulator sensor.
Just two examples that these two reliable Japanese car brands, just like all those other brands, sometimes have a problem...

The fact that it will not be a Renault(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/c086.gif) has to do with bad experiences with French cars in the past. A possible choice for the MG has to do with an attractive car for an attractive price, an apparently excellent dealer nearby and a seven-year warranty.
When the time comes I definitely think(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/a014.gif) I will take an extensive test drive in that MG3.
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: ninanina on March 23, 2025, 12:01:36 PM: Quote from: Jazzik on March 23, 2025, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: ninanina on March 22, 2025, 04:54:22 PM
In my opinion Jazzik you really should only be considering a Toyota or a Honda for long term reliability

Toyota: Lots of problems with 12 volt batteries.
Honda: Brake operating simulator sensor.
Just two examples that these two reliable Japanese car brands, just like all those other brands, sometimes have a problem...

The fact that it will not be a Renault(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/c086.gif) has to do with bad experiences with French cars in the past. A possible choice for the MG has to do with an attractive car for an attractive price, an apparently excellent dealer nearby and a seven-year warranty.
When the time comes I definitely think(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/a014.gif) I will take an extensive test drive in that MG3.

Absolutely all cars/manufacturers can have their problems

One of the reasons I didn’t buy the Yaris was due to the 12v battery issues; it also was quite noisy and had a harsh ride compared to the Jazz

I’m sure my experience of Renault and Citroens comes from years ago when I owned them and they certainly weren’t that reliable much as I loved them all!

I would only buy an MG3 on a PCP/Lease basis; they are quite new to the market so long term reliability would worry me
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: ninanina on March 23, 2025, 12:42:41 PM: Nicksey you’ve definitely had great service from your various Renaults but, unfortunately, no so much with your Jazz and that’s a real shame as it’s probably put you off your Honda

I still have the feeling that Japanese cars are built slightly better for long term reliability… it’s just such a shame that the brake simulator issue has almost ruined Honda’s reputation for the time being

When I wanted to downsize from my Mk4 Prius I seriously considered the Yaris/Cross

I know my local Toyota dealer very well as they’ve serviced my cars for over 10 years but when I test drove the Yaris & Cross I was very disappointed; they were noisy, cramped, dark inside, had a really uncomfortable ride and just didn’t impress me at all

I’d toyed with the idea of a Jazz for some time but was put off by the brake simulator problem…. After reading lots about the issue, mostly on this forum, I decided on the facelift Advance and couldn’t be happier with it…. It’s got a great comfortable ride, is very quiet even at motorway speeds and has a huge amount of space inside even though it’s small on the outside
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Jazzik on March 23, 2025, 01:29:56 PM: If this wouldn't have happened:

Quote from: Jazzik on March 22, 2025, 11:30:22 AM
Here in Poland, after the facelift, the only available Jazz model is the Crosstar. No Elegance, Advance or Advance Sport. https://www.honda.pl/cars.html

The Honda dealer here in Toruń has given up and disappeared (is now a Cupra dealer), ditto the dealer 45 kilometers (28 miles) away in Bydgoszcz.
The nearest dealer is now 130 km. (81 miles). One way!
https://www.honda.pl/cars/find-a-dealer.html#search?query=Toru%C5%84

we would probably just choose a Honda Jazz again. Because, as I said, I consider it a:

Quote from: Jazzik on March 22, 2025, 11:30:22 AM
An excellent little car, spacious, practical, economical. It's just a shame that the buying public doesn't want it. And that has very annoying consequences.

only.... the above mentioned annoying consequences make it a no-go!
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: JJazz on March 23, 2025, 01:33:05 PM: Why do posts get hijacked on here?. A pain in the backside.
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Tombola on March 23, 2025, 03:32:56 PM: Quote from: JJazz on March 23, 2025, 01:33:05 PM
Why do posts get hijacked on here?. A pain in the backside.
Please clarify???
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Lord Voltermore on March 23, 2025, 04:21:35 PM: I can understand it can be annoying when a post diverts onto different topics , especially if original one ceases to be fully explored and discussed. Especially for the person who started the topic. Also the evolved topic may not feature on a site subject search .

But I'd have though a post highlighting a new review on the Jazz , invites general discussion and comments about the scope and accuracy of the review and comparisons with other cars, past experiences and future trends. Or must we start a new topic for every aspect raised, as a series of short sound bites?

Maybe a limit of 280 characters? That would stuff me ! :-[ >:( :P
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Kremmen on March 23, 2025, 04:35:52 PM: I've yet to visit a forum where posts don't drift off

Just one of those things

As I drive around though I'm quite happy in my little comfy quiet cabin with a very easy and satisfying car to drive

Just goes to show that motoring journos should actually drive a car before writing about it just using manufacturer specs

I can remember one article about the then new 9G Civic in 2012 where the writer had clearly used specs from the 8G Civic, it was laugh a line reading it as everything was wrong
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: 5thcivic on March 23, 2025, 04:51:04 PM: As far as the review goes, he does not strike me as much of a knowledgeable reviewer. The Jazz was consistently best car in class in Which and What Car etc. etc. not to have investigated after that and coming as a revelation now doesn't impress me, fine for the man in the street but not for a so called top newspaper motoring editor. :P
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Lord Voltermore on March 23, 2025, 05:11:59 PM: Its a brief and not very knowledgeable review. But its basic message ,from someone who has apparently reviewed many cars is " I love it" . More sincere than the typical car review, plagiarised from many other reviews, often referring to older models,and concentrating on aspects that mean little to most owners who live in the real world. .

Sure there is plenty of stuff that hasnt been mentioned, hence the wide ranging discussion on this thread
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Lincolnshire Rambler on March 25, 2025, 07:36:03 PM: I did read about the 7 year MG warrantry and many things are either time or mileage limited - example shock absorbers 36k miles and lots of other items have less tban 7 years cover . So be mindful to study the small print as it may not be as it appears !
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Jazzik on April 12, 2025, 01:05:40 PM: Quote from: Lincolnshire Rambler on March 25, 2025, 07:36:03 PM
I did read about the 7 year MG warrantry and many things are either time or mileage limited - example shock absorbers 36k miles

After reading the Polish MG warranty conditions line by line, it seems that MG UK uses different warranty conditions than MG Poland.
The example of limited warranty of the shock absorbers maximum 36k miles is not to be found.
I think that limitation has to do with all those potholes in the British roads.... ;D

What I found is this:
Infotainment and driver assistance systems are covered by the warranty
36 months or 72,000 kilometers (whichever comes first).
Title: Re: Honda Jazz is an understated star
Post by: Lord Voltermore on April 13, 2025, 04:21:46 PM: Quote from: Jazzik on April 12, 2025, 01:05:40 PM

After reading the Polish MG warranty conditions line by line, it seems that MG UK uses different warranty conditions than MG Poland.
The example of limited warranty of the shock absorbers maximum 36k miles is not to be found.
I think that limitation has to do with all those potholes in the British roads.... ;D

What I found is this:
Infotainment and driver assistance systems are covered by the warranty
36 months or 72,000 kilometers (whichever comes first).
I think the longer a warranty the more likely it is they will claim things are due to 'fair wear and tear' and not covered. .

But infotainment and driver assistance systems limited to 3 years? This complex high tech stuff are the very things I want covered by warranty for as long as possible. I kept my 2007 Yaris for 14 years as I accepted if basic mechanicals failed i would cover the risk myself. But will now probably change cars more frequently and stay within warranty as far as possible now that cars are inevitably so much more complex. Funds permitting. You cant take it with you.