Honda Jazz is an understated star

[JJazz]

Today’s Daily Mail

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-14524509/The-Honda-Jazz-understated-star-RAY-MASSEY-hatchback-accidental-hero.html

[Karoq]

I have just read that article and although he did mention the prices, he did not say how expansive Hondas are compared to similar makes. Nor did he mention the ridiculous insurance costs for Honda cars. Presumably because he had it on loan and couldn't be bothered to investigate Insurance costs.

[Jazzik]

The Honda Jazz is of course a modest star. An excellent little car, spacious, practical, economical. It's just a shame that the buying public doesn't want it. And that has very annoying consequences.
Here in Poland, after the facelift, the only available Jazz model is the Crosstar. No Elegance, Advance or Advance Sport.  https://www.honda.pl/cars.html

The Honda dealer here in Toruń has given up and disappeared (is now a Cupra dealer), ditto the dealer 45 kilometers (28 miles) away in Bydgoszcz.
The nearest dealer is now 130 km. (81 miles). One way!
https://www.honda.pl/cars/find-a-dealer.html#search?query=Toru%C5%84

Our next (and who knows, our last?)  new car will be a hybrid again. But definitely not a Honda.
It could easily be a Toyota again. Or a Renault Clio...
Or maybe that (much cheaper but promising) Chinese MG3 Hybrid+?

MG has had a dealer here for over a year now, who is making great strides and has already built up an excellent reputation for service!

Too bad, Honda! This is not our first Honda but it is the last, despite the fact that they were really very good!

[Kremmen]

I can't moan about insurance because LV dropped mine from 450 last year to 371 this year

No idea why it dropped so much

[Bristol_Crosstar]

I can't moan about insurance because LV dropped mine from 450 last year to 371 this year

No idea why it dropped so much

I've just had a renewal quote on my Sport from LV for £270, that's an increase of £20 from last year. I moved to them last year after my renewal quote from Direct Line was almost double.

[Kremmen]

Just guessing.......

Could it be that my car had its first MOT last Aug and LV have a check and my 4,500 miles since Sep 21 worked in my favour ?

or, is the statement from Which? that insurance companies are now favouring cars with numerous safety system like the MK4 ?

Answers on a postcard .....

[ninanina]

The reviewer didn’t really compare his Advance, price wise, against the competition;  the Jazz is an expensive car but so are its equivalents like the top spec Yaris etc.  All cars are expensive now even smaller ones

I’ve not found my Jazz Advance to be that expensive to insure. When I purchased my Jazz I got a very favourable quote from my insurance company; my previous Prius was valued at £16,000 and the Jazz at about £22,000 but I only paid a little extra for it to be swapped over

[ninanina]

In my opinion Jazzik you really should only be considering a Toyota or a Honda for long term reliability

Renault has an awful history reliability wise and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. The Chinese cars seem extremely tempting but they don’t come with any history whatsoever and apparently they are having trouble getting parts etc

Even the ‘other’ Japanese brand Nissan comes with a lot of compromises reliability wise

At the moment the only brands I would be happy to purchase would be Toyota or Honda and if that means paying a premium I’m happy to pay it for reliability long term

If you only keep your car for a short while, on PCP etc, then you don’t have to worry about long term reliability but I normally keep my cars for a long time so it’s much more important to me

[DAN@ADRIAN FLUX]

Hi.
If anyone ever needs any help with insurance at all then please feel free to drop me a line.
Regards,
Dan.

[Nicksey]

In my opinion Jazzik you really should only be considering a Toyota or a Honda for long term reliability

Renault has an awful history reliability wise and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

Really?
I had 12 Renaults previous to my Jazz. I started with a 2nd generation Clio, and had both incarnations of Meganne, both first 2 incarnations of Scenic (I didn't go for the 3rd gen as it became too big) Capturs and then another Clio. I never had any trouble whatsoever with any car, apart from a couple of coils on the 2nd gen Scenic, which was a design fault.. and both changed/updated gratis.
When I decided to go for a hybrid, I wanted to try the Renault Alpina. At the time, this was getting more favourable reviews than the Jazz. Unfortunately, there was only 1 test driver available, between 3 dealers. I just couldn't get a look in as it was always booked. I was looking at a 6 month wait!
The Honda dealer was around the corner, so by chance I called in.. the rest is history as they say.
I will point out though, that with my 22 plate Jazz I have so far needed both mirror motors replacing, the windscreen started delaminating and I am in the VIN range for the brake simulator fault. So, in my opinion the Renaults have all been far more reliable than my Honda.

[Jazzik]

In my opinion Jazzik you really should only be considering a Toyota or a Honda for long term reliability

Toyota: Lots of problems with 12 volt batteries.
Honda: Brake operating simulator sensor.
Just two examples that these two reliable Japanese car brands, just like all those other brands, sometimes have a problem...

The fact that it will not be a Renault has to do with bad experiences with French cars in the past. A possible choice for the MG has to do with an attractive car for an attractive price, an apparently excellent dealer nearby and a seven-year warranty.
When the time comes I definitely think I will take an extensive test drive in that MG3.

[ninanina]

In my opinion Jazzik you really should only be considering a Toyota or a Honda for long term reliability

Toyota: Lots of problems with 12 volt batteries.
Honda: Brake operating simulator sensor.
Just two examples that these two reliable Japanese car brands, just like all those other brands, sometimes have a problem...

The fact that it will not be a Renault has to do with bad experiences with French cars in the past. A possible choice for the MG has to do with an attractive car for an attractive price, an apparently excellent dealer nearby and a seven-year warranty.
When the time comes I definitely think I will take an extensive test drive in that MG3.

Absolutely all cars/manufacturers can have their problems

One of the reasons I didn’t buy the Yaris was due to the 12v battery issues; it also was quite noisy and had a harsh ride compared to the Jazz

I’m sure my experience of Renault and Citroens comes from years ago when I owned them and they certainly weren’t that reliable much as I loved them all!

I would only buy an MG3 on a PCP/Lease basis; they are quite new to the market so long term reliability would worry me

[ninanina]

Nicksey you’ve definitely had great service from your various Renaults but, unfortunately, no so much with your Jazz and that’s a real shame as it’s probably put you off your Honda

I still have the feeling that Japanese cars are built slightly better for long term reliability… it’s just such a shame that the brake simulator issue has almost ruined Honda’s reputation for the time being

When I wanted to downsize from my Mk4 Prius I seriously considered the Yaris/Cross

I know my local Toyota dealer very well as they’ve serviced my cars for over 10 years but when I test drove the Yaris & Cross I was very disappointed; they were noisy, cramped, dark inside, had a really uncomfortable ride and just didn’t impress me at all

I’d toyed with the idea of a Jazz for some time but was put off by the brake simulator problem…. After reading lots about the issue, mostly on this forum, I decided on the facelift Advance and couldn’t be happier with it….  It’s got a great comfortable ride, is very quiet even at motorway speeds and has a huge amount of space inside even though it’s small on the outside

[Jazzik]

If this wouldn't have happened:

Here in Poland, after the facelift, the only available Jazz model is the Crosstar. No Elegance, Advance or Advance Sport.  https://www.honda.pl/cars.html

The Honda dealer here in Toruń has given up and disappeared (is now a Cupra dealer), ditto the dealer 45 kilometers (28 miles) away in Bydgoszcz.
The nearest dealer is now 130 km. (81 miles). One way!
https://www.honda.pl/cars/find-a-dealer.html#search?query=Toru%C5%84

we would probably just choose a Honda Jazz again. Because, as I said, I consider it a:

An excellent little car, spacious, practical, economical. It's just a shame that the buying public doesn't want it. And that has very annoying consequences.

only.... the above mentioned annoying consequences make it a no-go!

[JJazz]

Why do posts get hijacked on here?. A pain in the backside.