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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: R2D3 on July 14, 2021, 05:07:29 PM
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My preferred lease dealer is quoting 4-5 months lead times for the Jazz. Does this sound about right?
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Mine was ordered in June, delivered in July. But cash buyer not lease.
I thought they were shipped in bulk from Japan two or three times a year? Hence the very limited choice on colour/spec compared to buying a European manufactured car which has a high degree of configuration as it is built to order.
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I'm planning a test drive very soon.
My Civic is all serviced and MOT'd till next Mar so no rush. I prefer a wait because you're not getting old airfield stock.
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In New Zealand the lead time between ordering a 2021 hybrid Jazz (in the colour that you want) and delivery is 3 to 4 months.
It's shorter if a buyer wants a 2012 Jazz that is still purely internal combustion.
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Ordered my Crosstar today, Premium Sunlight White Pearl 2 Tone, with delivery on 23rd July.
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I had my Jazz EX test drive today, very impressed so that's that stage complete.
There are a number of Red Jazz EX ready but it's a tad soon for me.
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My Crosstar arrived in about 2 weeks. if id wanted one with a black roof however that would have been 4-5 months. :o
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The dealer showed me the current MK4 Jazz EX UK stock.
They were primarily red, about 70, but some white models were available, about 10. Then there were 3 MY22 black.
Interesting that there was no UK stock with the grey interior. 2 dealers have told me that black interior is what customers want.
I'll be going to my dealer of choice third week of August to try and secure a deal for Sep/Oct. Red is OK but I'm hoping there is a stock refresh with grey or blue exterior, black interior. Not holding my breath.
Be nice if they changed those silver/white top dash cup holder surrounds to black as well.
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Mine was ordered in June, delivered in July. But cash buyer not lease.
I thought they were shipped in bulk from Japan two or three times a year? Hence the very limited choice on colour/spec compared to buying a European manufactured car which has a high degree of configuration as it is built to order.
Not sure, but my 07 plate Jazz Sport was purchased in July 2007 and has March 2007 stamped on the seatbelt labels. My 53 plate SE Sport was registered in Jan 2004 and had November 2003 on the seatbelt labels. Might serve as a rough guild if that helps. I think its common accross Japanese brands, even UK-built Civics have limited configuations.
3+ month lead-in times for factory builds are common, that was what I was quoted for the Slovakian-built Kia Proceed/Ceed or Seat Leon via Carwow even pre-Covid/computer chip shortage.
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For what it's worth went in to my local dealer on Saturday, placed the order, they're aiming for delivery in a week's time. EX in sunlight white pearl. Afraid I didn't check overall stock levels as this was easily my first choice spec and colour scheme but there's definitely stock around right now and some decent deals too.
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but there's definitely stock around right now and some decent deals too.
...which leads me to the question I've just posted on the Off Topic forum:
What's the dealership mark-up on a new Jazz and how worried are they about sites such as CarWow? I'm wondering how a 'decent deal' is achieved.
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For me as I’ve said elsewhere I have the quotes ready from carwow, go to my favourite dealer, ask what there best price is and then show them the carwow prices and invite them to match it.
More often than not they do - if not I then decide whether it is worth paying extra to buy from the dealer or not.
Oh and as a footnote, despite what dealers will tell yo, I have found no difference in after sales such of servicing whether the car was bought from that specific dealer or not.
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but there's definitely stock around right now and some decent deals too.
...which leads me to the question I've just posted on the Off Topic forum:
What's the dealership mark-up on a new Jazz and how worried are they about sites such as CarWow? I'm wondering how a 'decent deal' is achieved.
It's a good question. That said, the only time I've looked at CarWow you are getting the car from a dealer anyway with CarWow being the middle man. It might be you get the car from a dealer some distance away. Certainly the savings are significant over list price.
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but there's definitely stock around right now and some decent deals too.
...which leads me to the question I've just posted on the Off Topic forum:
What's the dealership mark-up on a new Jazz and how worried are they about sites such as CarWow? I'm wondering how a 'decent deal' is achieved.
I can't help on the dealer markup but I've just been through this exact dance with the Jazz and it's natural head to head rival... a BMW 320 MSport. No, seriously, stop laughing at the back! For the record the Jazz *slaughtered* the 320 for refinement hence the purchase. Anyway, back on topic...
Carwow is a broker site and do absolutely nothing to facilitate the sale. It's purely there to put dealers in touch with customers who they wouldn't normally get. Carwow makes a big chunk of its cash from dealers paying to be on the service (my local BMW dealer bailed when the cost didn't justify the extra revenue) and, so far at least, I've not had any dealer contact me directly. You just get a handful of general prices back for both cash and PCP (though you need to get in touch if you want the PCP breakdown figures, it's still just total cost of car) and it's up to you whether you pursue it or not.
With BMW I was honest with them when it came to pricing, showed them the best price I'd been given and they went away to swear vigorously in a backroom. Matched the (frankly silly) discount for me and had the attitude of 'this is absolutely fair, we'll try and match it if we can, if not we'll give you the best we can do and you can decide what to do next'. Surprisingly mature.
Did the same thing with Honda and while my local wasn't... uh, quite so friendly about it the process was much the same. As it happens they came back within maybe a hundred quid so convenience outweighed any possible saving by travelling to Reading. Dealers, ultimately, aren't stupid and know the tools are now out there for customers to be a lot more informed. Frankly I think some of them take it as a good thing when it cuts an hour of haggling out of the process and customers know what's more realistic.
Just to put some figures on it believe I got about a grand and a half (including the £500 deposit contribution) off an EX with Sunlight white paint plus the 5% apr, 5 years service plan, 5 years roadside assistance etc. Oh and as I currently live next to a large building site got £100 knocked off the paint protection option as well. For reference the best Carwow deal was around £150 cheaper but involved going to Grimsby so that seemed a fair trade off ;-)
Another thing to bear in mind at the moment is PX values are going silly. The whole reason I just changed was finding out my PX on a Civic was £500 less than I paid for it two years ago... Once again I'd suggest hunting around different manufacture web sites. A fair few have a free valuation service (though expect a follow-up call unless, of course, you accidentally typo your phone number) and while the likes of Honda don't some of the individual dealers do. Again, for reference, I was looking at £12k from Merc, £13.5 to £14.5 from BMW and Honda and, weirdly, £13.8 to £14.8k from Mazda. On a diesel Civic I paid £15k for in 2019. Yeah.... Definitely worth doing as the usual route of 'book price' doesn't really take into account market conditions which can best be described as a very empty cupboard with a few mothballs rolling around in a lonely kind of way. Same approach as a service like Carwow, be honest about what you've got from where (and be prepared to show the emails), you'll get decent pricing most of the time. Just do NOT use services like WeBuyAnyCar.com. Their entire business model is 'quote high, get car on site for appraisal, take off hundreds for every paint scratch or swirl even if they've been there from the factory' and dealers will laugh a lot if you try to match their on-line quote (rightly so).
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Dealership get a sell 50 cars this month, make little on new, the mark up on used was were the profit was. These days few of us buying new but servicing & MOT has built in profit. The used price increase is to be short lived if you can then hunt down a deal.
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The dealers normally get delivery from stock items in about a week from Honda. Add 2 to 3 working days for your dealer to do PDI etc depending on how busy they are.
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I read in todays papers that older used cars are in high demand as there is a shortage of new cars.
Dear Honda
If you can ship a red MY22 Jazz EX to the UK I'll happily exchange it for my 2013 Civic EX Auto with only 25k on it.
:)
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I read in todays papers that older used cars are in high demand as there is a shortage of new cars.
Dear Honda
If you can ship a red MY22 Jazz EX to the UK I'll happily exchange it for my 2013 Civic EX Auto with only 25k on it.
:)
Part of the shortage of older cars may be people buying them who do not want all the faff of the tech on newer cars.
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I read in todays papers that older used cars are in high demand as there is a shortage of new cars...
Part of the shortage of older cars may be people buying them who do not want all the faff of the tech on newer cars.
There's probably some truth in that.
Also, people upgrading to the last reliable cohort of ICE engined cars before they are forced into buying BEV or hybrid cars, which they seem to distrust.
Bizarrely, my RAV4 Hydrid, which is now 5 years old, seems to be worth around 75% what I paid for it 4 years ago, as an ex Toyota company car. My local dealer is working really hard to persuade me to change. It's going in for a full service and MOT shortly. I shall have to steel myself.
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I read in todays papers that older used cars are in high demand as there is a shortage of new cars...
Part of the shortage of older cars may be people buying them who do not want all the faff of the tech on newer cars.
There's probably some truth in that.
Also, people upgrading to the last reliable cohort of ICE engined cars before they are forced into buying BEV or hybrid cars, which they seem to distrust.
Bizarrely, my RAV4 Hydrid, which is now 5 years old, seems to be worth around 75% what I paid for it 4 years ago, as an ex Toyota company car. My local dealer is working really hard to persuade me to change. It's going in for a full service and MOT shortly. I shall have to steel myself.
Just to add to that, after having been to a chunk of different dealers and brands over the last few days lead times are frankly getting silly. Mazda were on 16 weeks (assuming no problems) for an MX-5, BMW had a (yes, a) build slot for a 3 series in October and 1 series were December if you're lucky, more likely February. Add to that a lot of the tech options weren't being offered as they just can't get hold of them. The dealer I was at had a grand total of 5 cars in stock for sale and two vanished from the showroom in 24 hours. If you've got the right car right now and happen to want to change to something with availability you may be quids in. Manufacturers like Honda that plan to ship product in at certain times of year and are running promos to shift it can work out almost paying you to change.
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Pure speculation…..March and September have traditionally been the months seeing the largest volumes of new car sales because of the registration plate change. Honda clearly ship in bulk and hold finished goods stock in the U.K. and the ability to highly spec a car is more or less reduced to colour choice. This compares to European manufacturers where there is no inventory and everything is built to order.
So, and I am guessing here, it is possible Honda ship twice a year to the U.K. in bulk, maybe February and August to support the reg change sales. It would also explain why you can get a new car in a couple of weeks but if it is not in stock there is a 5 month wait.
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No problem here.
MY22 EX inbound for 7th Sep :)
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No problem here.
MY22 EX inbound for 7th Sep :)
And I bet it can't come quick enough for you ;)
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TBH, I've been buying new cars, every 3 years since 1983 so the excitement doesn't get to me any more. I could have opted for 1st Sep but the 7th suits me better and avoids the new reg first week.
Also, my current 2013 Civic EX Auto is probably the best car I've owned and I'll be sorry to let it go but at just over 8 years old, and so far nothing's broken so a new car is overdue.
Retirement and subsequent low mileage helped me hang onto it this long.
Now to read the manual a few times as it'll be like reinstalling the PC.
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TBH, I've been buying new cars, every 3 years since 1983 so the excitement doesn't get to me any more. I could have opted for 1st Sep but the 7th suits me better and avoids the new reg first week.
Also, my current 2013 Civic EX Auto is probably the best car I've owned and I'll be sorry to let it go but at just over 8 years old, and so far nothing's broken so a new car is overdue.
Retirement and subsequent low mileage helped me hang onto it this long.
Now to read the manual a few times as it'll be like reinstalling the PC.
If you could have chosen September 1, then maybe my theory of August bulk deliveries from Japan is correct?
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Red MY22 EX are in the country now.
Given the free 5 year servicing, warranty and HondaCare (min finance taken) and the extraordinary used prices, now is the time to strike.
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If you could have chosen September 1, then maybe my theory of August bulk deliveries from Japan is correct?
I don't know if Honda shares a boat with other Japanese manufacturers or if a boat will leave part of its load at Avonmouth and then proceed to a European port to unload the rest, but the car transporters can carry up to about 8,000 vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll-on/roll-off . If you know the answers to the above uncertainties then you can work out how many deliveries per year are needed but I'm sure it's a lot more frequent than twice per year. There will be several months between when Honda Europe orders a batch of vehicles from the production line and when they arrive in UK. There may also be other decisions such as to stockpile the Jazz now because the transporters may be loaded with European HR-Vs once they start coming off the production line.
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I had a test drive and placed an order last Thursday 12 Aug. The car arrived at the dealer Monday 16 Aug and I am collecting next Monday 23 Aug. Jazz EX Platinum White.
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Surprised you didn't wait for a Sep 71 plate, only 12 days away !
I could have had mine earlier but decided to wait till Sep and not the first week as that could be busy.
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Surprised you didn't wait for a Sep 71 plate, only 12 days away !
I could have had mine earlier but decided to wait till Sep and not the first week as that could be busy.
Out of interest, have you managed to identify any model changes between current model year 21 and the new car you will take delivery of in September?
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Surprised you didn't wait for a Sep 71 plate, only 12 days away !
I could have had mine earlier but decided to wait till Sep and not the first week as that could be busy.
It's all very exciting to get the new plate, but only for a short while then who cares?.
Back in '95 I bought a Skoda Felicia. At that time the new reg was on 1st August. The dealer opened at midnight so you could collect your car. It was only half mile from home so I thought why not. They had refreshments and a bit of celebration. I think the new reg was more of a thing then. It doesn't seem to matter as much now.
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You're right.
I only changed now because of the high p/x and the Honda 5 year multi deal. Being so close to the reg change I just thought, why not :)
My current Civic was a March 1st , again, on a good deal.
However, that meant that servicing had to be done in Feb and the number of times I've driven on ice and snow to the dealers so I decided this time that Sep with a Aug service is better.