warranty

[guest5319]

I am thinking of having a dash cam fitted, does anyone know if this would affect the warranty as the car is only 1 year old.

[VicW]

The obvious people to ask are Honda via your dealer but if the dash cam does not alter or interfere with the basic structure or components of the car I don't see a problem. It's like using a satnav.

Vic.

[guest5319]

Today I went into a Honda main dealer re the hard wiring of a dashcam affecting your warranty, after much discussion with 4 techno guys 1 of whom was very knowledgeable on this subject the decision was --- It depends on what type of fixing kit they use and how it connects to the fuse box --- This left 2 options, have it fitted by Honda approx cost £95 or use the cigarette lighter as this is also a power socket.

Thanks Vicw for your advice. 

[jonathan]

Sorry but what a cop out from the garage.

Surely if they, the garage inspect the install, they should be able to right a e-mail, letter stating it is fitted as per Honda, Specialist Installed (though this may not be in house) and not invalidate the warranty.
Its not rocket science...

Adding a piggy back fuse, I presume is standard and fail safe if used in the right fuse carrier. This should be part of their aftercare service for their owners and their cars safer.

[culzean]

In view of the popularity of dashcams I am surprised car makers are not fitting a dedicated power socket  in the area of front and rear windscreens to get rid of need to run an aftermarket cable, could also come in handy for satnav.

[guest5319]

The new Citroen C3 due out soon has a dashcam built in.
 In a few years time this will be standard in all cars just like a radio. It's a shame Honda are not more innovated and it has taken a French car maker to show the way.

[ColinS]

The new Citroen C3 due out soon has a dashcam built in.
 In a few years time this will be standard in all cars just like a radio. It's a shame Honda are not more innovated and it has taken a French car maker to show the way.

Especially as they probably have the camera and technology already installed.

[culzean]

The new Citroen C3 due out soon has a dashcam built in.
 In a few years time this will be standard in all cars just like a radio. It's a shame Honda are not more innovated and it has taken a French car maker to show the way.

Especially as they probably have the camera and technology already installed.

French normally good at introducing frivolous tech into cars as a selling point, pity reliability of French cars is suspect,  took a company like Honda to show buyers how reliable and trouble free a car should be.

[Kenneve]

I have had 2 Nextbase cameras (front & rear) installed in my cars for some years.
They are powered from the normal Cigar lighter socket, so of course are only activated when the ignition is turned on,which means they cannot detect an vibration triggered incident when parked.
I added the second camera to the previous car, following a rear end shunt!!  I think it's called Sod's law.

[guest5319]

Yes I accept Honda reliability but
In to-days world I wouldn't call a dashcam  " frivolous tech " 

[applicationcen]

There are a few vectors pushing camera/imaging linked GPS surveillance systems in to the main stream.

1. Tax revenue in each global territory will increase as GPS tracking is enshrined in law
2. Fraud will become harder increasing the profits of insurance companies
3. Autonomous individual and mass transport systems will learn from these systems

Transport is on the edge of being removed from our ownership. Compare this to the race taken up by the Sanger Institute to publish the Human Genome DNA. Their results are effectively free for the use of the good of mankind - given away despite costing billions and taking decades. At the same time Craig Ventner's private and very sloppy attempt to decode and patent the sequence would have meant he could protect the results and licence it to private pay only corporate use. Any medicine from that point wanting to use the information would have cost a LOAD of money to use. The gap in favour of mankind was a few weeks in the balance of being privatised.

Just as your internet browser tracks what you do and sells you out whether you like this or not, so will GPS and linked surveillance systems.

It is conceivable that autonomous cars will have priority over manual vehicles due to safety requirements. This is more or less what is currently happening to mass air travel.

[culzean]

I would never buy a dashcam with GPS,  as the GPS data can damn you - if the Police check GPS history they can tell if you were speeding at any time previous to the accident, and although it may not be pertinent it casts doubt on your driving and could be used by police or a lawyer to discredit you if case came to court.   The scene of the accident is not going to be in doubt, but I suppose if there was an incident recorded by your dashcam that did not directly involve you GPS may be a benefit, maybe not to you though.

We can already be tracked by our mobile phones, simply by the fact they are turned on not by the fact that 'location' is activated (as Google and everyone else keeps asking us to do - but mainly for their benefit).

In this world, data is worth money and the mining of data gives information that a lot of people are interested in and will pay good money for.  Even the DVLA will happily sell our data to private carpark companies,  the local authorities will sell information from voting registers to companies and so it goes.

As Applicationcen rightly says 'transport is on the edge of being removed from our ownership' - not because autonomous cars will be safer,  but they will be easier to track (they have to be trackable to function) and road pricing is coming whether we like it or not, and autonomous vehicles are 'tracking by stealth',  making people think that the technology is for their benefit when really the government and tech boys are rubbing their hands in expectation of all that lovely money coming to them. 

In the future governments will know where everyone is 24/7 - I can see a time when newborn babies are fitted with a chip that will register their position, heart rate , body temperature (and even whether their thoughts are anti or pro government) etc. etc for the rest of their life.  And all this will be sold as 'being for our own good and well-being'.

[applicationcen]

The majority of traffic lights in the UK use aggregated data taken from our GPS mobile phones. We do not get the option to give permission - that data is taken if we like it or not, including if you are speeding. Currently that data is aggregated and the subscriber information separated. The individual wanting to stop this happening would have to turn their phone off or put it in air-plane mode. This also happens in many countries.

[guest4871]

The individual wanting to stop this happening would have to turn their phone off or put it in air-plane mode. This also happens in many countries.

I think you'll find it is not just switching the phone off.

You also need to take the battery out.

[applicationcen]

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I think you'll find it is not just switching the phone off.

You also need to take the battery out.
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Well that situation has not got a lot of factual evidence to easily prove - if you spend time on a lot of forums someone is bound to challenge what you say, so it is always better to have the evidence at hand. The issue of GPS information taken from citizen's private mobile phones is provable by the ICO, Information Commissioners Office.

I tend to agree with you that mobile phones that have non removable batteries are susceptible to  exterior agencies that want to wake a phone up for surveillance purposes.

In Windows devices that are switched off but not disconnected from the mains or with sufficient battery power, there is a setting that can bring the device fully functional given a signal from any 'network' they are joined to. It has to be configured to do this and I dont have any evidence that this happens without consent of the person who set the device up.

Similarly Find My iPhone only works if the device is switched on, OR so we are told:)

Your PC, laptop and tablets all have secondary batteries - we have all been living with and using devices that already have 'always on' batteries from the get go. So the point there is that even by ripping out a battery, unless you know the topology of the circuit boards, there might well be another battery soldered on, even a long timed capacitor.

A very reasonable method of passively identifying a device which is switched off is with RFID. A device can be 100% identified by measuring how it reacts when exposed to radiation (radio waves). This need not be 'near field' like credit cards where you don't need to enter a pin. So with or with out a battery there are plenty of tricks to get a reaction from a device.

I plan to cover my Honda Jazz in tinfoil and only drive it when in my aluminium foil flat cap!!!! Then 'they' cant read my mind:)

Some of this post was written tongue in cheek...OR WAS IT?