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Lewo

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New boy alert!
« on: February 15, 2018, 09:14:26 PM »
Good evening folks, thanks for letting me in.  :)
As of today we are the owners of a 2008 1.4 Jazz so thought I would join a forum as I have joined VW ones in the past and they have been very helpful so hoping it's the same here  :)

Despite the age the car has only done 28k miles and is great condition.
Any tips on things to look out for etc would be great cheers. Also not had a chance to read through the handbook yet but would like to use decent oil and filter to keep the engine running well.
I've looked on ECP and they have listed 0/30, 5/30 & 5/40 grades so which is the best and which synthetic oil?
I use Millers nanotec in the golf, is that OTT on these cars? The VW mechanic says it's good oil and 'cleans' the engine and it's worth the £50 a pop.

Anyhow, any advice n things would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Lewo.

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2018, 09:29:41 PM »
Hi Lewo

I'm like you, Ive just bought an 09 Jazz and did my firdt oil change today with 5w30 Millers Nanotech, so no it isn't overkill :)

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2018, 10:07:41 PM »
Welcome, Lewo. I use 5W-30 but nothing fancy. Just Comma Xtech. This is a great forum, with plenty chat and loads of advice. Some of it even worth having.  ;D

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2018, 10:15:11 AM »
Despite the age the car has only done 28k miles and is great condition.

Sadly low annual mileage can be a bigger problem than normal miles (or even high miles if they are 'motorway miles').

Hi Lewo

I'm like you, Ive just bought an 09 Jazz and did my firdt oil change today with 5w30 Millers Nanotech, so no it isn't overkill :)

Never paid more than around £30 for engine oil (mostly Castrol magnatec 5W30)  and done loads of miles (around 30K per year) in many cars including 2 Civic and 2 Jazz Honda cars without engine using a drop of oil between changes,  don't be seduced by hype into paying loads of money for oil, the Jazz engine is not a highly stressed performance engine that needs expensive oil,  it is more important to change it regularly.  Any decent branded oil will clean you engine and suck up combustion products and keep them suspended or deliver them to the filter to deal with (if they are big bits).

Try Opie oils,  they have good prices and good service - they do filters for oil, cabin and air as well.

For 2008 GD 8 valve..

https://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-2354-lookup-results.aspx?vehicleid=38366&variantlist=98268:0,215836:0,98361:0,98468:0,98489:0,98792:0,199248:0,200937:0,203868:0,219752:0,261697:0,172554:0,198037:0,198053:0,198068:0,198077:0,198085:0,139770:0,141957:0,167660:0,169636:0,171664:0,172073:0,116243:0,119197:0,132110:0,137582:0,142271:0,139760:0,98802:0,98859:0,98950:0,99114:0,99122:0,111855:0&yearFilter=2008

for GE 16 valve VTEC - you can get Castrol Edge for about £36 - top oil

https://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-2354-lookup-results.aspx?vehicleid=32673&variantlist=128308:0,98747:0,98769:0,128336:0,202686:0,261441:0&yearFilter=2009
« Last Edit: February 16, 2018, 10:48:00 AM by culzean »
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New boy alert!
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2018, 02:52:00 PM »
I am not convinced (also the safety) about all the nano-technology  stuff everywhere in products.

And here about nano in oil. http://www.powerperformancenews.com/tech-articles/nanotechnology-does-not-make-miracle-oil/

Just a 5w30 that meets the car specs and changed regularly, is all it needs!

Oh and... Welcome to Clubjazz, Lewo.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2018, 02:54:35 PM by jazzway »

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2018, 06:57:58 PM »
Thanks guys, you know what, I don't even know if it's the 8 or 16 valve...  :) Will look tomorrow.
So 5/30 is recommended over 5/40 then?

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2018, 08:08:39 PM »
Handbook says:
Oil is a major contributor to your
engine’s performance and longevity.
Always use a premium-grade
detergent oil. It is highly
recommended that you use genuine
Honda Motor Oil, ‘‘ACEA A1/B1,’’
‘‘ACEA A3/B3,’’ or ‘‘ACEA A5/B5.’’
in your vehicle for as long as you
own it.

Recommends anything from 0W-20 to 15W-40.
Haynes manual  states API SJ or SL.

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2018, 09:33:33 PM »
Thanks, it's 8 valve engine.
Will have a look at the ACEA spec, but if I go for the millers think I'll get 5/40 as it's the same as use in the golf.

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2018, 10:04:16 PM »
Thanks, it's 8 valve engine.
Will have a look at the ACEA spec, but if I go for the millers think I'll get 5/40 as it's the same as use in the golf.
They all have 16 valves. Some have 8 spark plugs and some have 16. The handbook covers both engine configurations.

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2018, 10:36:10 PM »
I use Shell V-Power petrol. Watch out for leaks inside the boot. Just service the car according to the book and you will be fine. Welcome!

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2018, 08:38:18 AM »
Hi Jocko

some have 8 spark plugs and some 16???

Would be an interesting cylinder, fitted with 4 plugs!! ;) ;)

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2018, 09:48:45 AM »
Hi Jocko

some have 8 spark plugs and some 16???

Would be an interesting cylinder, fitted with 4 plugs!! ;) ;)
A senior moment there. I was thrown by Lewo saying 8 valves instead of 16. I should have said "They all have 16 valves. Some have 4 spark plugs and some have 8. The handbook covers both engine configurations.".

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2018, 09:54:45 AM »
Hi Jocko

some have 8 spark plugs and some 16???

Would be an interesting cylinder, fitted with 4 plugs!! ;) ;)
A senior moment there. I was thrown by Lewo saying 8 valves instead of 16. I should have said "They all have 16 valves. Some have 4 spark plugs and some have 8. The handbook covers both engine configurations.".

Now there's a thing,  the ones with 8 valves have 8 plugs (GD  i-DSi) and the ones with 16 valves have 4 plugs (GE and later VTEC).
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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2018, 10:10:34 AM »
The L12A and L13A engines, as fitted to my GD, has 16 valves.

Stock L12A i-DSI engine

Available exclusively in the European domestic market Jazz and available with only a 5-speed manual transmission.
Displacement: 1,246 cc (76.0 cu in)
Bore x Stroke: 73.0 mm × 74.4 mm (2.87 in × 2.93 in)
Compression Ratio: 10.8:1
Power: 60 kW (82 PS; 80 hp) @ 5,700 rpm
Torque: 110 N⋅m (81 lb⋅ft) @ 2,800 rpm
Variations: L12A1
SOHC 16 valve
8 spark plugs, 2 per cylinder

L13A i-VTEC

SOHC 16 valve i-VTEC
Displacement: 1,339 cc (81.7 cu in)
Bore x Stroke: 73.0 mm × 80.0 mm (2.87 × 3.15 in)
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Horsepower: 73 kW (99 PS; 98 hp) (99 PS; 98 hp) / 6,000 rpm
Torque: 127 N⋅m (94 lb⋅ft) / 4,800 rpm

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Re: New boy alert!
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2018, 10:49:24 AM »
The L12A and L13A engines, as fitted to my GD, has 16 valves.

Stock L12A i-DSI engine

Available exclusively in the European domestic market Jazz and available with only a 5-speed manual transmission.
Displacement: 1,246 cc (76.0 cu in)
Bore x Stroke: 73.0 mm × 74.4 mm (2.87 in × 2.93 in)
Compression Ratio: 10.8:1
Power: 60 kW (82 PS; 80 hp) @ 5,700 rpm
Torque: 110 N⋅m (81 lb⋅ft) @ 2,800 rpm
Variations: L12A1
SOHC 16 valve
8 spark plugs, 2 per cylinder

L13A i-VTEC

SOHC 16 valve i-VTEC
Displacement: 1,339 cc (81.7 cu in)
Bore x Stroke: 73.0 mm × 80.0 mm (2.87 × 3.15 in)
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Horsepower: 73 kW (99 PS; 98 hp) (99 PS; 98 hp) / 6,000 rpm
Torque: 127 N⋅m (94 lb⋅ft) / 4,800 rpm


There is a typo there somewhere - there is no space for the second spark plug if 4 valves fitted,  that is why Honda went back to single plug on the later VTEC engines,  if it is i-DSi it has 8 valves. 

 http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2003/1137545/honda_jazz_1_2_i-dsi_s.html

If the 1.2 iDSi had 16 valves it would have more power than the 1.3 i-DSi and that power would be higher up the rev range and not 'run-out-of-breath' at just over 4000rpm.

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