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« Reply #135 on: May 13, 2019, 10:34:03 AM »
BMW has confirmed that the iNext, their all electric SUV, will feature Level 3 autonomous driving when it is released in 2021, but they will also release a fleet of 500 Level 5 vehicles for testing around the world, with a view to allowing governments to design legislation to cover the use of such vehicles.

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« Reply #136 on: May 15, 2019, 08:47:36 AM »
Interesting video on Autonomous vehicles. I think culzean will agree with most of this.


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« Reply #137 on: May 15, 2019, 09:38:10 AM »
I have been involved in automation pretty much all my working life and it is very hard to make things behave even in a well organised environment. When the car programmers come out with statements ( after driverless cars hit stationary vehicles as big as firetrucks ) that 'we have to program the system to ignore stationary objects otherwise they stop for every fire hydrant and keep right bollard' you wonder what is going on. Humans have a great ability to anticipate things, when I am driving along a curved road with cars parked I often see a reflection of a vehicle or a DRL in a car door and slow down and move left before I even see the vehicle..  I saw an article once where a programmer said that those captchur images used for website security ( click on squares with traffic lights, buses, fire hydrants etc etc etc are actually used to make the AI of driver less cars better ).  They say driver less cars are already better than humans - but one fatality every 100,000,000 miles for human drivers in USA takes some beating.
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« Reply #138 on: May 15, 2019, 10:09:10 AM »
So it does, but the figure for 2017 was actually 1 death per 8,652,681 miles driven, according to Wiki.

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« Reply #139 on: May 17, 2019, 08:52:12 PM »
Tessa cars really seem to be attracted to large trucks.

https://www.wired.com/story/teslas-latest-autopilot-death-looks-like-prior-crash/

Stated once again in this article that 'radar is programmed to ignore stationary objects to filter out false positives '  but the cameras did not pick up the truck either. 
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« Reply #140 on: May 17, 2019, 09:03:51 PM »
After reading the report it seems like natural selection at play.

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« Reply #141 on: May 23, 2019, 08:20:52 PM »
https://www.inc.com/geoffrey-james/self-driving-cars-dont-hold-your-breath.html

When a 5 year old can outperform the AI controlling a vehicle time to reconsider.   When an AV does not recognise a pedestrian because they are pushing a bicycle ( and kills them ) and a painting of a person on a billboard or vehicle fools an AV, when an AV has been programmed to ignore stationary objects because if is not it will stop every few metres. The AV car makers moved their testing out of California because the states laws required them to report every time the vehicle went wrong and human had to take control, because the figures were awful.   Don't hold you breath.
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« Reply #142 on: May 23, 2019, 08:50:04 PM »
Read a report this week about a journo who was being chauffeured in one of the Waymo self driving taxis in Phoenix, Arizona. They were on a busy freeway and when they came to their off ramp they couldn't get into lane one, as the traffic was nose to tail. A human driver would have pushed until someone let them in, but the AI was being extra safe, and they ended up going three more off ramps before it could get off!
Accidents that are caused by drivers trying to get Level 3 vehicles doing Level 5 driving I ignore. The woman pushing the bike was down to the driver of the car, not the AI. I admit that AI is not there yet, and may be a number of years before it gets there, but the will is there and the technology will get there.

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