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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1440 on: February 13, 2020, 11:14:57 AM »
Most garages will probably decrease number of pumps while increasing EV charge points - I you buy an ICE car in 2030 it will easily last till 2050 - and there are a lot of classic and vintage cars around that still need fuel.  Maybe hydrogen will replace petrol and diesel so garages will sell that as well.  We still need to pump and refine crude to get all the other things we need from petroleum, and the military will still run their kit on petrol products ( and if anyone complains about emissions from a F-35 or F-16 they will just get targeted with a well place missile ) so it ain't gonna go away anytime soon.

just imagine air-to-air refueling of an electric military plane ' if you can stay hooked up for 3 hours we can give you another 100 miles LOL ). Also 'our military planes can't carry weapons any more because they can only just take off with the weight of the batteries'..
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1441 on: February 13, 2020, 02:03:32 PM »
Battery powered missiles would be interesting. Saving the planet whilst killing people at the same time.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1442 on: February 13, 2020, 03:04:19 PM »


just imagine air-to-air refueling of an electric military plane ' if you can stay hooked up for 3 hours we can give you another 100 miles LOL ). Also 'our military planes can't carry weapons any more because they can only just take off with the weight of the batteries'..

But Boris is promising electric planes.


   " There will be a dawn of a new age of electric vehicles, not just cars or bicycles but electric planes.

    Electric planes. It's happening already. Made possible with battery technology being developed now in the UK."

https://www.indy100.com/article/boris-johnson-manchester-speech-invented-new-bus-watch-video-9023321

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1443 on: February 13, 2020, 03:30:30 PM »


just imagine air-to-air refueling of an electric military plane ' if you can stay hooked up for 3 hours we can give you another 100 miles LOL ). Also 'our military planes can't carry weapons any more because they can only just take off with the weight of the batteries'..

But Boris is promising electric planes.


   " There will be a dawn of a new age of electric vehicles, not just cars or bicycles but electric planes.

    Electric planes. It's happening already. Made possible with battery technology being developed now in the UK."

https://www.indy100.com/article/boris-johnson-manchester-speech-invented-new-bus-watch-video-9023321


This is what the silly fool will be rambling about, they're looking at them for the 5-10 minute hops to and from Orkney's North Isles -

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-11-20/uk-backs-hybrid-electric-re-engining-britten-norman-islander


This is the best bit,

"I know a lot about buses, believe me. I love buses, I helped to invent a new type of bus."
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1444 on: February 13, 2020, 04:50:18 PM »
Might owning an ICE then become as inconvenient as an EV is for many people at the present?
The town I stayed in for the first 57 years of my life has no filling station. The nearest is a 12-mile round trip. When petrol cost 4/4d a gallon it had 5.  It does, however, have a charging station!

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1445 on: February 13, 2020, 04:57:13 PM »


But Boris is promising electric planes.


   " There will be a dawn of a new age of electric vehicles, not just cars or bicycles but electric planes.

    Electric planes. It's happening already. Made possible with battery technology being developed now in the UK."

https://www.indy100.com/article/boris-johnson-manchester-speech-invented-new-bus-watch-video-9023321


This will what the silly fool will be rambling about, they're looking at them for the 5-10 minute hops to and from Orkney's North Isles -

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-11-20/uk-backs-hybrid-electric-re-engining-britten-norman-islander

Yep that's them. Not even electric but hybrid and only for very short flights

This is the best bit,

"I know a lot about buses, believe me. I love buses, I helped to invent a new type of bus."

The diesel ones with no opening windows on the top deck and the free jump-on jump-off platform at the back.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/boris-buses-back-door-boarding-ban-to-stop-fare-dodgers-a4331146.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/sadiq-khan-axes-new-routemasters-on-london-streets-in-costcutting-drive-a3430836.html


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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1446 on: February 13, 2020, 07:13:27 PM »
Ford Europe are lobbying for a rethink on the 2032-35 date for banning the sale of ICE and Hybrid cars.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51485912

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1447 on: February 14, 2020, 09:54:28 AM »
I looked at the National Grid's plan to charge electric cars.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/document/125116/download

"Recommendation 1
..... Driving the Transition’, we believe the Government should prioritise the
rollout of a ‘national network of ultra-rapid EV chargers’.
Recommendation 2
.....
Vehicle Act, the Government should designate, in 2019,
which MSA sites should be part of a minimal viable network
of ultra-rapid chargers, to ensure there is adequate time to
deliver the required electricity network infrastructure, and
ensure EV targets are achieved
"



That was before the target was brought forward...
And the 2019 date has not bene met..

So lots of words: and NO action..


BBB  (Bullshit baffles brains)

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1448 on: February 17, 2020, 06:27:44 AM »
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/80mph-motorway-speed-limit-could-be-on-the-way-thanks-to-electric-cars/

I cannot think of a vehicle less likely to do 80+ on a motorway ( but we all know people will take it as a signal that they can now do 90 or 100 MPH - because people do 80  now and police turn a blind eye ).

Every test and review of BEV that I have read says the same thing, the range plummets to about 60% when you take a BEV onto the motorway at 70mph, add in cold weather and a wet road and you are now down to maybe 50%.... And as the RAC says,  70mph is about safety,  cars may be better but drivers certainly aren't...

So will we have a line of BEV in inside lane doing 50 because the driver has galloping range anxiety and the other lanes doing 90 ? Add lorries into the mix (still overtaking another lorry at 1mph ) and I cannot think of a more dangerous scenario.

Is this the governments cack-handed way of promoting BEV with the promise of increase in speed limit carrot ?
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1449 on: February 17, 2020, 09:33:40 AM »
Tesla has been ordered to temporarily halt preparations for a car factory in Germany after environmentalists won a court injunction on Sunday.
They had been clearing forest land near Berlin, ahead of building its first European car and battery plant.
The court emphasised the injunction was temporary and subject to further hearings, probably this week.
Protesters say the factory is a threat to local wildlife and water supplies.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1450 on: February 17, 2020, 11:26:42 AM »
I just got round to watching last weeks "Top Gear". Chris Harris was testing the BEV Porsche Taycan Turbo S (yes "Turbo". Porsche now say "Turbo" means "Fast"). He was thrilled to bits with it. It costs an arm and a leg. And a kidney.
It is a four-door, four-seater, four-wheel drive, with 761 PS, 0-62 mph in 2.8 seconds (same as the Ariel Atom) and a 250-mile range. Just gone straight to the top of my "Lottery List".


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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1451 on: February 24, 2020, 06:19:11 PM »
The entire thing is a ruse in my opinion, when you consider the amount of energy it takes to produce a new car relative to how much that vehicle will consume in its lifetime.  If you factor in the total costs (new charging infrastructure, environmental/social/political impacts of mineral extraction (for batteries), costs to develop new power plants and replace existing ones etc) the notion that buying an electric car is beneficial on environmental grounds is a total fallacy perpetrated by an industry whose sole raison d'aitre is to maximize profit.

Consider the so called 'reliability index' upon which millions base their purchasing decisions...based on repairs reported during a three year warranty period. Does this in any way relate to real long-term sustainable ownership? Not if the car you buy has been carefully crafted using parts that prove wholly reliable for 36 months but have an uncanny tendency to fail shortly afterwards; thus encouraging customers to buy new, or lease (rent); great for the debt economy, which has negative ramifications in all manner of ways.

There's a huge lobby holding governments to ransom regarding transport and legislation. One could argue that governments are bought and paid for by such interest groups, the US being the prime example. New technology drives consumption, which drives perceived economic growth which in turn secures votes ensuring the cycle continues...consideration for the environment isn't high on their agenda.
If you want to save the planet, walk, ride a bicycle, find a sustainable alternative to private transport or eek out as many years possible from an old classic car, the energy for which was 'spent' long ago.

Consumers will not have a choice in this matter, other than to vote with their feet. Engines have been developed to run reliably for hundreds of thousands of miles, return mpg figures in the 100s and produce very little in the way of pollutants, but we don't see them on our roads since there's little profit in it for the makers or the industries that support them. 

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1452 on: February 25, 2020, 10:33:28 AM »
Interesting post vanorak.

I think the idea that we replace the existing fleet of ICE cars with an equivalent number of BEVs has always been environmental nonsense. We need fewer vehicles full stop.

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« Reply #1453 on: February 25, 2020, 01:23:29 PM »
The thing is, we are currently making new cars to replace old cars. It is just that the new cars are diesel SUVs and the likes. If we make BEV instead what's the difference. If we stopped making new car entirely ICE or BEV then I would see a point.

The fact that vanorak came straight into this thread with no Jazz and no other input makes me think vanorack is a motor industry BOT. Or worse.
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1454 on: February 25, 2020, 09:53:03 PM »
The thing is, we are currently making new cars to replace old cars. It is just that the new cars are diesel SUVs and the likes. If we make BEV instead what's the difference. If we stopped making new car entirely ICE or BEV then I would see a point.

The fact that vanorak came straight into this thread with no Jazz and no other input makes me think vanorack is a motor industry BOT. Or worse.
I agree. It looks to be someone with their own axe to grind. I've been on other forums where the off-topic section is hidden to people who haven't clocked up a qualifying number of posts in the main forum in order to reduce the spam.

Anyway, I take the view that if I buy a newer, lower CO2 vehicle then my old one will will be bought by someone who is also looking to get something newer and more economical, and so on down the line resulting in an old vehicle which burns loads of fuel and produces loats of nasties going to the scrap yard. Government should either re-introduce the annual fuel duty rises and/or add an emissions surcharge on the annual VED to motivate the worst of the fuel guzzlers / polluters to get off the road.

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