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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1215 on: July 04, 2019, 03:05:24 PM »
Renault have just announced prices for the new 50 kWh Zoe, but more importantly they are dropping the entry level 22 kWh and are now supplying the 40 kWh for the price of the deleted 22 kWh Zoe. Battery packs can be leased or bought outright. It is still expensive compared with comparable ICE cars but the prices are coming down.
It will certainly put pressure on Honda and the price of the upcoming Honda e

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« Reply #1216 on: July 04, 2019, 03:08:16 PM »
Shock horror: 'Grave concern' as sales of low emission cars fall. Sales of low emission vehicles have fallen for the first time in over two years. "hybrid electric vehicle sales were down 4.7%" however TOTAL NEW CAR SALES were down 4.9%. Does that not mean that in a falling market, hybrid electric vehicles did better than conventional cars?
Registrations of battery electric vehicles are up over 60% this year compared to the same period in 2018.
To me this says car sales are struggling but battery and hybrid cars are struggling less than most. Or maybe I am just biased?

Or maybe you are blessed with a little more common sense than the journo who scribbled the missive, allowing for the routine sensationalism.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1217 on: July 04, 2019, 03:11:30 PM »
Renault have just announced prices for the new 50 kWh Zoe, but more importantly they are dropping the entry level 22 kWh and are now supplying the 40 kWh for the price of the deleted 22 kWh Zoe. Battery packs can be leased or bought outright. It is still expensive compared with comparable ICE cars but the prices are coming down.
It will certainly put pressure on Honda and the price of the upcoming Honda e

Hopefully enough pressure for them to see sense and replace that 'cool' retro seventies formica dashboard.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1218 on: July 04, 2019, 03:42:38 PM »
According to Car magazine it actually feels like wood! Another thing I didn't realise until I read the Car report was it is a 5 door, albeit only 4 seats. Mind you, I have never had more than 4 in my Jazz and that was only on my test drive.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1219 on: July 05, 2019, 07:22:43 AM »
Jaguar will today announce an enormous investment in electric car production at their Castle Bromwich plant, securing jobs for the future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48875406

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1220 on: July 05, 2019, 02:30:22 PM »
Jaguar will today announce an enormous investment in electric car production at their Castle Bromwich plant, securing jobs for the future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48875406

Are the 2,700 jobs saved seperate to the 4,500 job losses already announced and 1,500 lost last year, or are 2,700 of those 4,500 jobs being saved? The report isn't clear.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1221 on: July 05, 2019, 06:00:16 PM »
The JLR announcement has to be good news. More generally, and given the uncertainty around Brexit, I'm surprised the Government is cutting subsidies on EVs. I'd be ramping them up and making the UK the most attractive place for new investment in Electric and other alternatively powered vehicles.

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« Reply #1222 on: July 09, 2019, 08:29:12 AM »
The government finally getting off its backside and investing 40m into improving the infrastructure for electric vehicles. In Norway, where the government has got heavily involved, sales of electric vehicles have reached almost 60% of new car sales.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48913028
https://www.energylivenews.com/2019/04/02/evs-made-up-almost-60-of-norways-new-car-sales-in-march/

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1223 on: July 12, 2019, 01:42:36 PM »
That is Ford and VW's long awaiting collaboration announcement for electric and self-driving cars.
VW are investing 2.1bn in Ford's self driving unit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48965315

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« Reply #1224 on: July 21, 2019, 03:57:49 PM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/advice/everything-need-know-lithium-ion-batteries-car-makers-forgot/

This is interesting and confirms what I suspected with BEV batteries, the vehicle software normally limits the charge envelope of the battery ( stops it fully charging or discharging ) to an area 80% charged ( leaving out the top 20% )  and 30% discharged ( not wanting you to use the bottom 30% ) - as the battery ages / degrades the software increases this envelope to maintain range.  And that fast charging regularly will damage the battery.  Charging the battery to 100% and leaving it on the driveway also damages the battery...  The truth will out,  but as the article says the car makers do not want you to know some things.

Maybe one of the things about having interchangeable batteries for quick turnaround is that the vehicle will not know the state of charge, state of health or age of the changed battery - each battery may need a memory chip containing the batteries history so that the vehicle can interrogate it and adjust parameters to suit.
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1225 on: July 21, 2019, 04:21:27 PM »
Nothing new there. The Tesla used by Tesloop, which used non stop Supercharging, had the battery replaced at 194,000 miles and 324,000 miles. This is being Supercharged multiple times per day and to 95 - 100% (not recommended by Tesla.

https://electrek.co/2018/07/17/tesla-model-s-holds-up-400000-miles-3-years/

This car has now gone on to do over 400,000 miles.

https://www.tesloop.com/blog/2019/2/6/tesloops-high-mileage-teslas

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1226 on: July 29, 2019, 08:34:28 PM »
Just saw the new Volkswagen electric car advert on telly tonight.


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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1227 on: July 30, 2019, 09:04:12 AM »
Just saw the new Volkswagen electric car advert on telly tonight.


Me too, I think the bus will be popular. Expensive, but popular.

The European manufacturers will need to get moving sharpish, before the trickle of Chinese built EVs turns into a flood. The MG ZS EV might have its faults, but if you sign up for one now, it's a lot of EV for 21,495.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1228 on: July 30, 2019, 04:45:27 PM »
Just saw the new Volkswagen electric car advert on telly tonight.


Me too, I think the bus will be popular. Expensive, but popular.

The European manufacturers will need to get moving sharpish, before the trickle of Chinese built EVs turns into a flood. The MG ZS EV might have its faults, but if you sign up for one now, it's a lot of EV for 21,495.


Witha claimed range of 163 miles. I am 100% disinterested.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1229 on: July 30, 2019, 04:51:57 PM »
Witha claimed range of 163 miles. I am 100% disinterested.

To be fair, range is better than the Honda, and it's a bigger vehicle for a lot less money.

I don't think it's too bad for a first effort, we are only at the beginning of EVs coming in near petrol/diesel car prices.

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