2014 Jazz Purchase Advice

[Keekster71]

Looks pretty good to me.  If it was mine I'd spray the whole underside including the suspension, subframe and rear axle with a lanolin product.  I buy it from rustbuster in concentrated form, and thin it myself.

[TnTkr]

How are sills, wheelarches and door edges from underside, under the rubber lip? How's the front of the bonnet from underside?

[Jazzy]

Good questions but I don't know. I had to travel all day to view it without a car, so that wouldn't be easy again and I'm no mechanic but they were decent enough to let me view underneath it.

They used to be a Honda Dealer (my lovely written off Honda happened to be from them originally) and they still have the Honda technicians. This was one of their cars, serviced by them over many yrs. The experienced technician gave it a quick look over and said it was really good (underneath). They claim to have very high standards. There was a little bit of fogging in the left rear light, little bits of seal broken off in places. A tiny wet patch underneath the boot insert but the car was dry and not fogged inside, despite the rain and it drove lovely. Engine sounded great, gears felt great etc. Very nice condition and it hadn't been prepped yet. A few little blemishes on the paint work, (mainly on rear bumper) they were very transparent about and would polish out.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202601299523286?sort=relevance&searchId=56c36868-6d73-4b65-80f6-4d27f9a62407&make=Honda&maximum-mileage=60000&model=Jazz&page=1&postcode=TQ7+1UD&transmission=Manual&year-from=2014&advertising-location=at_cars&fromsra=&backLinkQueryParams=channel%3Dcars%26make%3DHonda%26maximum-mileage%3D60000%26model%3DJazz%26postcode%3DTQ7%25201UD%26sort%3Drelevance%26transmission%3DManual%26year-from%3D2014%26flrfc%3D1&calc-deposit=725&calc-term=48&calc-mileage=10000

Here's an underbody comparison video of a similar one sent to me but too far from me and would cost a lot to deliver. To get an idea of the best underbody standard I'm likely to get for the age; seeing as this is Honda standard and most older ones they get in, they send off to auction and are probably the ones I've been viewing at other dealers! Is it just me or is there significant corrosion? (screenshots attached below)
https://video.citnow.com/vpFlzn-6kx7

Any concerns of going for red finish for the price?

and there's this one but the risk of buying private WJ63OLN. Not Cat S or N apparently and a lot of Honda Service History. Windscreen has been replaced with non original: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/4080857718841418?referralSurface=messenger_banner&referralCode=2

[Jazzy]

Some more pics of the private one:

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Sorry for duplicates. Nightmare to attach these and they get all muddled up

[Jazzy]

Keekster71 What are your thoughts on the last pics I posted of the private sale black Jazz underbody pics compared to the Speedwell red one?

[RugOnBackSeatAndThermos]

I note that the mot history for the red jazz in Bristol had Mots every year until September 2022. Then for some (unknown) reason it was MOTd very early…Only six and a bit months and less than 1500 miles later when it failed for pitted front disc and brake pads less than 1.5 mm thickness… Seems odd to me.. If sold around that time by a dealer, either it would be checked over repaired and a fresh mot issued or as nearly six months left to run it would be sold on the existing MOT.. That is unless perhaps sold as seen through the auctions after a knock etc to a private buyer. There could well be some innocent reason. I myself have my cars MOTd earlier so that they fall in early summer as I do most servicing and repairs on my drive and don’t want to be crawling around when it’s cold and wet. However there does seem to be red overspray on the black plastic rear boot rim… Good Luck with your interesting ‘Never Ending Story’of acquiring a Mark 2 Jazz in as good a condition as possible…

[Keekster71]

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That's excellent underneath, the sort of thing I look for.  You can tell its lived in a dry garage.  Just needs a good undercoating.  I use Corrolan from a company called rust buster these days.  Lanolin based but cheaper and better than Lanoguard.  And I undercoat everything, rear axle, struts, front subframe and shell.

[Jazzy]

RugOnBackSeatAndThermos That Bristol one (I wasn't considering) is not the Red Jazz. The advert has gone in the Autotrader link, as I'd put a deposit on it. The red Speedwell (previous main Honda dealer with original Honda technicians) one with underbody photos is OE64 NGX. 38k miles. £7225. 12 month warranty. But it does have respray on the rear bumper and a little fading there.

The black private one is WJ63 OLN. 54k miles. £5750 ONO. Windscreen replaced with none original before they had it (over 3 yrs ago) and they said no issues with it.

Current advisory: Offside Rear Service brake binding but not excessively

On previous MOT's but not current: Front Suspension arm ball joint dust cover severely deteriorated. Near and Offside Track rod end ball joint dust cover insecure so that it no longer prevents the ingress of dirt.

Private lady said:  'the car has been in our garage for a month for a couple of weeks b4 the Mot, probably why the handbrake showed as binding. Only the dust cover (original Honda part) were replaced, as nothing wrong with ball joint'.

The red one I had inspected and it had the whole metal joints replaced, not just the rubber parts.

Keekster71. Which would you say is the better candidate? I was leaning towards the red one because of the lower mileage and being one yr newer, as I want to keep it as long as possible. But don't know if I should be concerned about the upkeep of the red paint colour/fading? I was considering after the dealer has valeted to get the Gen 3 ceramic protection for £399 that covers paint, windscreen, alloys, leather, interiors, guaranteed for 5 yrs. But can't find out if it would give specific UV protection to prevent fading? Don't know if black is an all round better option for maintenance? But then I've been told black can overheat in Summer, show every chip and scratch. Most important is that the rest of it is a really good car for its age.

TnTkr 'How are sills, wheelarches and door edges from underside, under the rubber lip? How's the front of the bonnet from underside?' The red one I got inspected by the garage that would underseal it and they said they were all good.

[RugOnBackSeatAndThermos]

It was the red Speedwell jazz that I commented about. ( There is a Speedwell District in Bristol which I assumed was the location). Personally the black Jazz though older ticks the boxes for me.  As for colours I have had a previous red coloured Mitsubishi and my current Jazz is Milano red.  My opinion of red car colours is that if the car isn’t garaged the red/ lacquer  finish can de- laminate particular on the roof and bonnet if it’s exposed to hot sun over the years.  However I had a black Nissan and that that was a real pain for showing every bit of dirt. I tried the salesman’s hard sell of the diamond ceramic finish on the Nissan, and my son fell for it too on a two year old navy main dealer Mazda in spite of my advice. It looked cloudy and streaky in both cases and the Mazda had to be completely stripped of it and re lacquered! So these ceramic coatings are a problem in my view unless really properly prepared and applied. Car dealers can’t do this!  Save the £399 and if a red bonnet blisters have it resprayed by the likes of chips away a few years down the line when it starts to look bad… or be prepared to spend £399 by  jet washing once a month, followed by a quick flick over with one of these modern these waterless spray polishes. I just hose my cars down once in a while and use the Williams Waterless polish as it keeps both my cars looking shiny. (My cars are in daily use 20,000 miles per year between them). I bought my one owner red Red 2014 Ex Jazz for £6999 with 21,000 miles on it last year. I carry out my servicing work and modestly difficult work on my cars, and restored a classic car when I was young. It’s not necessarily a good thing to go for a car that has extremely low mileage. The car I bought was really been owned by a little old lady that had given up driving and sold it to her local dealer. So not one traded around and through the auctions.  My local mechanic that looked after my three Saabs for the trickier stuff over 25 years cant find anything wrong with my Honda apart from the rear discs are looking a bit corroded, which I had spotted. The Hondas are a bit tinny, but if they rust a bit underneath with time well even Saabs rusted eventually. It really depends where it is rusting. Welding in fresh metal underneath can be cheaper than say replacing the air con, or clutch replacement on some cars can cost a hell of a lot…Good Luck

[RugOnBackSeatAndThermos]

Correction. I meant to say in my response just jet wash the black one more regularly and save the £399.  You could get quite a good deal on the black one as it’s ONO. Perhaps have an an AA report on it as it’s cheaper you would like a professional opinion and want reassurance.

[Jazzy]

RugOnBackSeatAndThermos Your comment:
'I note that the mot history for the red jazz in Bristol had Mots every year until September 2022. Then for some (unknown) reason it was MOTd very early…Only six and a bit months and less than 1500 miles later when it failed for pitted front disc and brake pads less than 1.5 mm thickness…'
Doesn't apply to the Speedwell (Kingsteignton, Devon) Jazz that I have put a deposit on. That marries up with the MOT history on the red Jazz in Bristol that comes up on the expired link, that I wasn't considering.

AA/RAC reports cost at least 200 and reviews say they find faults that aren't there to cover themselves. So that put me off. Also wouldn't be enough time I believe, as I will lose the red one in that time.

Why does the black Jazz tick the boxes?

Speedwell are now also a Kia main dealer, so they do the Gen 3 coating on lots of brand new cars and I would imagine they wouldn't mess it up, as that wouldn't benefit them under their 12 month warranty.