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ColinS

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Re: Jazz MK5 2026 Launch?
« Reply #45 on: Today at 12:21:43 PM »
There’s also the moral aspect of buying a car from a manufacturer inextricably linked to the autocratic Chinese government. A proven track record in exploiting and suppressing ethnic minorities isn’t encouraging. Before someone points out that it’s impossible to avoid things made in China I would agree, but making a specific choice to buy Chinese when other sources are available is avoidable.

Totally agree. My next car will likely be a Renault.

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Re: Jazz MK5 2026 Launch?
« Reply #46 on: Today at 01:04:41 PM »
...But I did not feel comfortable charging from a regular socket. So then I probably would have had to buy a charging station and possibly making additional costs in my electrical system at home. When you charge it is using minimum of 2.3kW at 10A. The boost version can also charge at 3.7kW at 16A. If I would buy a plugin hybrid or a electric car I would definitely first make sure my electrical system is in top fit shape.

I have a separate meter and consumer unit in the garage...

Charging your car via a power outlet (https://www.frankenergie.nl/nl/kennisbank/laadpaal/auto-opladen-aan-het-stopcontact)

Feature                Socket
Charging speed     Average 120 km/12 hours
Safety                  Complies with proper circuit breaker/cable
Installation costs   Minimal
Ideal for              Hybrid or low-mileage driving


...and I would take care of this even WITHOUT a plug-in or electric car...
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Re: Jazz MK5 2026 Launch?
« Reply #47 on: Today at 02:03:08 PM »
The problem with plug-in hybrids is that the attractive-sounding mpg & CO2 figures assume a full battery at the outset, but in the real world many are never actually plugged-in (there are several owners near me I could cite). You might start off with good intentions, but after 6 months it’ll be “No, I can’t be bothered now, I’ll do it next week”.

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There’s also the moral aspect of buying a car from a manufacturer inextricably linked to the autocratic Chinese government.

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 but making a specific choice to buy Chinese when other sources are available is avoidable.

Why compare me (and others) to stupid lazy people for whom plugging in, which takes at most 30 seconds (oh... and even another 30 seconds to unplug), is apparently too much trouble?

BYD is not a state-owned enterprise. It is a private company founded in 1995 by Wang Chuanfu, who remains the largest individual shareholder.
Private ownership. Control lies with the founders and institutional investors. The Chinese government is not a direct owner.


Name me 1 (one) small plug-in hybrid, not an SUV, with a price tag under £ 30,000, and not from China.


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« Reply #48 on: Today at 02:23:14 PM »
BYD a separare private company .......

https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/1044994/chinese-ev-maker-byd-receives-billions-in-state-subsidies-1044994.html

State subsidies don't come without conditions

I agree with ColinB with reference to how China are looking after their companies
Let's be careful out there !

ColinB

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« Reply #49 on: Today at 02:57:10 PM »
Even if the company is nominally private (whatever that means in China), they will be paying the Chinese equivalent of corporation tax. Which means some portion of the money you give them will be going towards funding the activities of the government.

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Re: Jazz MK5 2026 Launch?
« Reply #50 on: Today at 03:19:09 PM »
Totally agree. My next car will likely be a Renault.

Renault.

Well, Renault too, of course...

Research and Development (R&D): Renault uses advanced facilities in Shanghai to rapidly develop new electric models (such as the Twingo E-Tech) for the European market. Supply chain: The company integrates deeply into the Chinese supply chain to reduce costs and accelerate innovation cycles.

Renault uses battery packs produced in China. The batteries for popular electric models, such as the Megane, Scenic, and the electric Renault 5, come from Chinese manufacturers. The Chinese battery giants (such as CATL and BYD) dominate the global market, meaning that European car manufacturers are still heavily dependent on these producers.

And, for example, our great American, Elon with his Tesla?

Tesla uses Chinese batteries on a large scale. The company collaborates with various major battery manufacturers to power its electric vehicles worldwide. The main Chinese battery partner is CATL (Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Limited). Tesla primarily sources affordable and safe LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries from CATL for their 'Standard Range' models. Additionally, the Chinese company LG Energy Solution is a major supplier for Tesla.

These batteries are used in both the Gigafactory in Shanghai (for cars in China and export to Europe) and in factories in the United States.

In short, wherever you look—not just cars, of course— you see "Made in China" ( 中國製造 )...whether you like it or not
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Re: Jazz MK5 2026 Launch?
« Reply #51 on: Today at 03:39:35 PM »
Don't believe everything that search engines and AI tells you.

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« Reply #52 on: Today at 04:02:44 PM »
Just tell me what isn't true in what I wrote here, Colin...
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Re: Jazz MK5 2026 Launch?
« Reply #53 on: Today at 05:12:09 PM »
To start with (and also to end with ;)): I don't think a Honda forum should be about politics in any way, but in my opinion about cars and only cars (yes, mainly Hondas).

But if we mention Chinese state subsidies for car manufacturers, we naturally ought to mention the import tariffs on Chinese cars as well:

The European Union has significantly increased import tariffs on fully electric cars from China due to unfair state subsidies. On top of the standard import duties of 10%, additional rates of up to 37.6% now apply, which can amount to nearly 38 to 48% in total tax.
Oh, and that it could backfire and the Chinese are now flooding the European market with (full) hybrids and plug-ins was, of course, something Europe hadn't foreseen... :o

The US government also subsidizes its own automotive industry on a large scale. This is done through direct billions in aid for the transition to electrification. The Department of Energy makes billions available on an ongoing basis—including a $12 billion package—to support car manufacturers in switching to electric driving and building factories.
The government strongly protects the domestic market against foreign competition with high import duties, which have now risen to 25% for European cars.
Chinese electric vehicles (EVs) face a total combined tariff exceeding 125% to 250% of the vehicle's value.
In the past, the federal government has saved car manufacturers such as General Motors and Chrysler from ruin with massive financial aid packages.

As stated above: Let's just talk about cars here; other forums are available for politics.
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