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nikolakisxy

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Using the position b on the shifter
« on: June 15, 2025, 05:05:33 PM »
Hi to all. I've been recommended to drive my new 2025 Jazz, in town, using the position B on the shifter to save fuel. I have done so all last week and as amazing as it sounds it has halfed the consumption over driving in D. Any comments welcome. Thanks.

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2025, 09:54:57 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but theoretically I think that using B mode is the same as pressing brake pedal gently while using D mode. In both cases the Jazz brakes using the electric motor and puts the recovered energy into the HV battery. Only when the speed is slow, around walking pace, the disc brakes engage. Or if you brake so hard that the HV battery can not receive all that braking power (maybe around 30 kW).

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2025, 10:03:51 PM »
I use B unless I want cruise control. The effect on fuel consumption must depend on road conditions and your style of driving. It might avoid some mechanical braking.

nikolakisxy

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2025, 06:46:06 AM »
OK But assuming a similar pattern of driving in town, I've experienced an outstanding fuel economy using the shifter in position B. Thinking in terms of I. C. E engines it feels unnatural to use more power to overcome friction but the car is using electricity and not petrol. So far so good!

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2025, 10:04:11 AM »
B mode  does increase the extent to which regenerative braking is used  to slow the car, which is used to charge the the battery  rather than being wasted  making the brake discs hot. Great in theory .

I seldom use B mode,. I find  on the open road ,in D mode ,the car maintains its speed with only the lightest possible touch on the throttle .Nice and 'perky'.   In B mode the car will slow down quite noticeably unless you use more throttle than would be needed in D mode. Often fuel consumption is similar in either mode .   The extra throttle needed in B mode negates any advantage it has from more regenerative charging. 

Those who always use B mode may not realise just how much more throttle they are using.  You get used to how the car 'feels'.   But you will  notice the difference if, as you can , you change between B  and D modes while on the move.   Maybe it doesnt matter ,if you are happy with the results.

City traffic is another matter . Fuel saving can depend on  HOW you drive  (sorry if this may   insult some  of you   :-[ )

I try to slow down gradually well in advance as soon as I see stopped traffic, a red light etc ahead Sometimes I barely need to brake at all , even in D mode.    . I doubt my fuel consumption would be much less in B mode.   
 
But many drivers in  city traffic  drive up to stopped traffic  at speed and  only brake ,quite hard, at the last moment.  We all do this  to some extent, but  may not realise it.     I sometimes revert to 'city style' braking pattern if I have an impatient driver 'up my tailpipe' who apparently fails to understand why I am slowing so early and  gradually.  :P  Also they  might not notice  I am slowing faster than them  unless I show brake lights. Not shown with regenerative braking, with even more  retardation  in B mode.

I think my car is a bit more prone to getting rusty brake discs because I am so   light on the brakes. Habitually using B mode may make this worse. 

 

« Last Edit: June 16, 2025, 10:15:30 AM by Lord Voltermore »
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nikolakisxy

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2025, 10:08:49 AM »
Thanks for your prompt reply and comments. All points taken!

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2025, 10:13:41 AM »
The difference in B or D is akin to motorcycle engine breaking as far as I'm concerned. Nifty 2 strokes just carried on regardless when the throttle dropped, 4 strokes dropping the throttle was like applying a brake.

I use B mode around town, on twisty country roads, and switch to D mode on long open stretches especially motorways and when I want to use ACC.

nikolakisxy

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2025, 10:22:44 AM »
Agreed. I think it's the best way to drive the current Jazz.

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2025, 02:11:39 PM »
B mode  does increase the extent to which regenerative braking is used  to slow the car, which is used to charge the the battery  rather than being wasted  making the brake discs hot. Great
 
But many drivers in  city traffic  drive up to stopped traffic  at speed and  only brake ,quite hard, at the last moment.  We all do this  to some extent, but  may not realise it.     

Speak for yourself sonny!  ;D :-*

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2025, 05:11:01 PM »
I have owned hybrids for over 10 years and have never used B mode apart from going down very steep hills so I get a bit of engine braking

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2025, 06:24:39 PM »
... and I've never used D :)
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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2025, 06:53:40 PM »
... and I've never used D :)

So you have willingly deprived yourself from the comforts of ACC?
To each his own :)

I often switch to B in dense city traffic as it makes the ride more comfortable (less actually using the brakes).
Otherwise I prefer D as cruise control is only available in this mode.
On longer travels ACC and the lane keep assistant have proven quite a boon (for me).


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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2025, 07:13:43 PM »
I have owned hybrids for over 10 years and have never used B mode apart from going down very steep hills so I get a bit of engine braking

That's what Toyota recommend for the use of B

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Re: Using the position b on the shifter
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2025, 07:35:36 PM »
I have owned hybrids for over 10 years and have never used B mode apart from going down very steep hills so I get a bit of engine braking
Given the very limited battery capacity of our Jazz the recovery effect is limited as well.

Once the HV-battery is charged to its limit the Jazz shifts to a kind of noisy "retarder" mode where it turns over the "dead" ICE at sometimes quite high revs just to "burn" the surplus electrical energy from the generator.

Actually, it's a quite clever system - yet I do wish Honda would have opted for a somewhat larger battery.


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