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Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« on: December 17, 2024, 07:46:39 PM »
Recently I asked about the low temp turtle appearing now and again. But tonight after a 10 min straight road 20mph city drive , I had the high temp turtle. This led to me struggling to get to speed on the highway later and I am baffled at this new reincarnation of the turtle of doom.
It was 11 degrees outside.
Cold turtle appeared at 5 degrees.

My HRV has never been visited by a bloomin turtle, so I’m starting to get concerned by the erratic visits and the oddities the Crosstar is starting to show.

Any idea what’s going on? Cars under warranty so I’m about to contact Honda.

Headlight icon often doesn’t appear when the headlights are on too. :(

UPDATE: I took it to Honda, who said they are positive they know it’s a problem and a high voltage cable needs replaced. They won’t do the repair until they can see the turtle themselves (which resets when you turn the car off) and therefore I have to drop everything and drive there when it returns. Apparently it needs an expert tech and the workshop cleared (and costs a lot) so therefore they’ve just left me driving it and had the cheek to charge me £150 for diagnostics for something that’s not my fault and I’ve only had the car 6 months. Surely that’s not on!

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Re: High Temp and Low Temp (it’s the turtle again)
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2024, 04:41:16 AM »
As the car is still under warranty you should definitely let Honda have a look at it.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2024, 05:05:48 AM by coldstart »

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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2024, 09:32:41 AM »
I’ve updated my first post, can anyone help. I feel like I’m driving a ticking time bomb

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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2024, 10:23:54 AM »
Couple of things don't make sense in your update. If the dealer says they know about the fault and have diagnosed an issue with a HV cable, then why do they need to see the dashboard icon? Surely such a fault would show up as a code in the car's computer, which would normally be as much evidence as they need? Secondly, I can understand a charge for diagnostics to deter time-wasters, but surely this will be refunded if it's proven to be a warranty fault? As for "clearing the workshop" ... interesting (and maybe indicative of essential precautions for work on the HV system,) but not really your problem.

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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2024, 10:44:13 AM »
Couple of things don't make sense in your update. If the dealer says they know about the fault and have diagnosed an issue with a HV cable, then why do they need to see the dashboard icon? Surely such a fault would show up as a code in the car's computer, which would normally be as much evidence as they need? Secondly, I can understand a charge for diagnostics to deter time-wasters, but surely this will be refunded if it's proven to be a warranty fault? As for "clearing the workshop" ... interesting (and maybe indicative of essential precautions for work on the HV system,) but not really your problem.

All very good points. None of it is my fault and their costs and arrangements are not my problem. The fact that they were “positive” they knew what it was but they wouldn’t touch it, they don’t want to be inconvenienced, yet I sure I am and will be when the turtle appears , and I’ll need to drop work or whatever I’m doing and go there, ensuring that I don’t turn off the car.

As expected I’ve been played a fool because I’m a young looking woman.

I have a complaint ready to go to the dealer, and your points help and I will add this, thank you. All I wanted was a safe reliable car for me and my family and I’m an anxious wreck now.

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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2024, 11:47:41 AM »
I agree with ColinB: If they would run a full DTC-check  (Detail Trouble Codes) something is bound to pop up.
And it is definitely the dealer's responsibility to have trained high voltage technicians available not yours!

What is the exact warranty status of your car? Do you have the 5-year-warranty extension?
On the other hand the "hybrid system" (whatever that comprises) is by default under warranty for five years.

Do you live in a region with martens who might have chewed on the HV-cable?
This kind of damage might be covered by your insurance.



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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2024, 11:53:56 AM »
Which Honda dealer is this?

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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2024, 12:14:22 PM »
Dealer : Western Honda (specifically Edinburgh at this point)

The car was bought used 6 months ago with a years warranty

Thank you for everyone’s advice. I know I’m very vulnerable to be taken the p out of when it comes to dealers and I’ve only been driving 2 years

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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2024, 08:45:34 PM »
The car was bought used 6 months ago with a years warranty

I'm no lawyer! However, Honda's five years warranty claim on the "hybrid system" might cover you regardless of the one year warranty the seller offered you..

If you have defence insurance it might be worth giving them a call.

You may even want to get a "second opinion" from a different Honda dealership.

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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2024, 04:39:59 PM »
The car was bought used 6 months ago with a years warranty

Your info shows your Jazz as 2011?

Mind you whatever age your Jazz is it’s still under the full Honda used car warranty for the year

Don’t be fobbed off by the dealer.  You have every right to demand a repair ASAP if your car has developed a fault

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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2024, 08:57:34 AM »
The car was bought used 6 months ago with a years warranty

Your info shows your Jazz as 2011?

Mind you whatever age your Jazz is it’s still under the full Honda used car warranty for the year

Don’t be fobbed off by the dealer.  You have every right to demand a repair ASAP if your car has developed a fault

Forgot to update, I sold for a 2020

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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2024, 09:19:44 AM »
To be fair dealers have to be a bit cautious about promising that something will definitely be covered by warranty until they have done some investigation. They will not get paid by  Honda/independent warranty provider in some circumstances .  Such as if there is evidence of unauthorised repairs directly or  as a consequence of nearby repairs/tinkering,  evidence of negligence by the owner ,, external damage such as animals chewing wires, a branch thrown up from the road damaging  wires, or a mirror damaged by a mirror strike rather than the known folding fault. etc. 
But if it is definitely a faulty component covered by warranty  it should also include any initial inspection.   Physical damage may be covered  insurance,but subject to any excess.

Being taken for a mug  by some garage staff is not exclusive to young looking women.  Some will try to bamboozle anyone they think knows nothing about cars or their consumer rights.  (It can even happen to  polite,  casually dressed ,retired  greybeards  :o ;)  )   It helps if you can come fore armed with some knowledge, and its very satisfying if you are able to politely  dissuade them from any preconceptions they may have about you.  :P.
Maybe even take along  friend, parent, etc  who is a bit of a consumer pitbull ,who remains discretely in the background but able to concentrate on whether they may be  feeding you, erm, nonsense. They dont need to  know much about cars either but might ask pertinent questions.
 
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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2024, 09:35:26 AM »
Your warranty position isn't quite clear here. If it's a 2020 car, the new car warranty was (I think?) just 3 years so that's expired, unless the first owner paid for it to be extended. So you probably have a used car warranty from a 3rd party supplier (even if you bought from a Honda dealer), which is basically an insurance policy. You probably need to look carefully at the T's&C's for that to check there are no unexpected exclusions. And some of them may require you to pay for the repair and claim the costs back. Others have mentioned a longer warranty on the HV system, but I don't see any mention of that on the Honda website, maybe there's something in the car's documentation?

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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2024, 11:22:09 AM »
Others have mentioned a longer warranty on the HV system, but I don't see any mention of that on the Honda website, maybe there's something in the car's documentation?

Try https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/maintaining-your-honda/warranties-guarantees/warranty.html

It is somewhat hidden in the "Integrated Motor Assist" section (there is no special mention of the new e:HEV system):

5 years or 90,000 miles, whichever comes first, for 11YM onwards Civic Hybrid, CR-Z, Insight, Jazz and CR-V Hybrid.

see also https://www.honda.de/cars/services/warranty.html (which specifically names i-MMD and lists "relevant" HV-parts), https://www.honda.pl/cars/owners/GwarancjaHybrydy.html (which names e:HEV or https://www.de.honda.ch/cars/owners/warranty.html


Addendum for @ColinB:

  • changed color of Honda warranty claim to highlight relevant parts for modern cars
  • added link to warranty claim on Honda Germany website which names i-MMD
  • added link to warranty claim on Honda Poland website which names e:HEV
  • added link to warranty claim on Honda Switzerland website which simply states "hybrid vehicules"

I don't know why Honda keeps referring to the outdated IMA technology on the Honda UK (as well as Honda Italy and Hoda France) websites - please feel free to check-out other countries  :D
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Re: Turtle icon and Honda won’t repair YET
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2024, 12:04:43 PM »
Others have mentioned a longer warranty on the HV system, but I don't see any mention of that on the Honda website, maybe there's something in the car's documentation?

Try https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/maintaining-your-honda/warranties-guarantees/warranty.html

It is somewhat hidden in the "Integrated Motor Assist" section (there is no special mention of the new e:HEV system):

5 years or 90,000 miles, whichever comes first, for 11YM onwards Civic Hybrid, CR-Z, Insight, Jazz and CR-V Hybrid.

Yeah, that’s the page I looked at. But I think the IMA system was an earlier Honda hybrid system, not the latest e:hev.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Motor_Assist
So I’m not sure that applies? If it does, it’ll be stated in the car’s documentation.

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