Front Tyre edge wear

[Jazzyone]

When I had mine checked for the slight wear on the outside of the front one and I wanted to get other quotes the first dealer told me to make sure I asked for prices on  YOKOHAMA BLUEARTH-A AE-50
185/60 R16 86H HO. They have to be HO not just H ones as the HO stands specifically for Honda cars. So it’s strange the info sheets on the Honda site don’t show them.

[Lord Voltermore]

I wonder whats the difference.  Does the HO version have less tread depth and a higher price or is there real changes to structure to cope with the higher stress common to all EV's?

My impression is most of those who have changed to a different tyre prefer them to the blue earths. 

I use the original blue earths in summer,  but have second set of wheels  with Goodyear Vector 4 season gen 3   which I currently use in autumn winter and spring but would happily run all year.      I prefer the Goodyears. No noisier, not noticeably less grip in summer, and much better in winter conditions.   No noticeable reduction in mpg . They came with  near enough 8mm of tread and tread wear is low.   

When buying all season tyres I always chose the "XL"  (  extra load) version  which had slightly stronger side walls.   This may have had slight affect on ride comfort etc.         I notice that on the mytyres Uk site the Goodyear  Vector 4 gen 3 XL is now also rated as "EVR"  = suitable for Electric vehicles and plug in hybrids. 

[Kenneve]

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     Some eco type tyres come with less than 7mm tread when new,  so still having 4mm remaining at the edges   after 20,000 miles is not a bad rate of front tyre wear. You may get more than this if it’s mostly motorway miles,  but  the Mk4 has incredible torque from rest, and even older drivers might get more front tyre wear than expected without being boy racers.   

Reading this post has prompted me to check the tyres on my new Mk4 Advance (3 weeks old & 550 miles) which was supplied with Yokohama Blue-earth-A tyres.
Tread depth is only 6.5 mm which I guess, confirms what others have said, regarding OE tyres.
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For comparison, maybe someone can tell us the tread depth, of a new Non OEM Yokohama Blue-earth-A tyre?

I’ve also just noticed that my tyres are listed as 87H, not 86HO as others have mentioned.

[coldstart]

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I’ve also just noticed that my tyres are listed as 87H, not 86HO as others have mentioned.

Please note, that the load index on the official Honda tyre sheet for the Jazz varies from 86 to 88 so 87 is right in the middle of the range.
Moreover: The higher the load index, the better you are off!

[AlanTR]

New front tyres (Dunlop Enasave EC300+ 185/60/R16 86H) fitted by Kwikfit. Cost £243.10, ordered online.

Alignment check done and front wheel adjustments made at cost of £69.95! Interestingly, misalignment also showed up on the rear wheels - this will be referred to Vertu Honda for comment.

[Hicardo]

I run 4 x Falken euro all-seasons, and just had first two fronts changed after about 20K for same tyres again. My tyres also wore out on the outsides and were advisories on MOT.  I usually run a couple psi less than recommended, but now going to run them at recommended pressure exactly.  I was told by the fitter who checked the alignment that it was fine, just typical wear of modern driving and road conditions.

[JamXRS]

This thread is quite timely, as I just realised yesterday my front passenger side tyre is worn on the outer edge, while still has a good amount of tread on the rest. Only the front passenger side. Driver side is fine.
Alignment was done in Feb when I bought the car, tyres are Nexen N'fera SU1 (not my tyres, it came with them when I bought it).
Is this normal / expected? Anyone else running these Nexen?

[Spodric]

Mine needed 2 new front tyres at about 18 k miles. The fronts showed uneven wear resulting in an advisory on the MOT. I had 2 new Yokohamas fitted to match the existing rears. I don't like mixing different tyres. I'm guessing that all 4 tyres will need replacing next time and that will be the right opportunity to fit better ones. Probably a 4 seasons type.

TyrePros did a wheel alignment check that showed a significant alignment error. I had noticed that when driving in a staight line the steering wheel was no longer centered but the 2 spokes were at a slight angle. At the same time there was no pull to the left or right so I suspected that the ECU that governs the electric steering assistance was keeping the Jazz in a straight line and compensating for the wheel alignment fault.

Anyway, with the wheel alignment now set correctly the steering wheel is back to level and the Jazz steering feels better and more responsive. The fronts might last for 20k miles. £69.95 well spent.

I think the cause of that alignment fault might be potholes. Far too many nowadays and I don't always spot them in time or I can't swerve to drive round them because of other traffic. My previous car had a broken front road spring, also likely to be caused by potholes. England has joined the third world. 

[Nicksey]

I recently had my 2 year/22k service, and was surprised the original Yoko were showing 4mm on all 4 corners.

[FMIB]

Mine needed 2 new front tyres at about 18 k miles. The fronts showed uneven wear resulting in an advisory on the MOT. I had 2 new Yokohamas fitted to match the existing rears. I don't like mixing different tyres. I'm guessing that all 4 tyres will need replacing next time and that will be the right opportunity to fit better ones. Probably a 4 seasons type.

TyrePros did a wheel alignment check that showed a significant alignment error. I had noticed that when driving in a staight line the steering wheel was no longer centered but the 2 spokes were at a slight angle. At the same time there was no pull to the left or right so I suspected that the ECU that governs the electric steering assistance was keeping the Jazz in a straight line and compensating for the wheel alignment fault.

Anyway, with the wheel alignment now set correctly the steering wheel is back to level and the Jazz steering feels better and more responsive. The fronts might last for 20k miles. £69.95 well spent.

I think the cause of that alignment fault might be potholes. Far too many nowadays and I don't always spot them in time or I can't swerve to drive round them because of other traffic. My previous car had a broken front road spring, also likely to be caused by potholes. England has joined the third world. 

Of course a pair of new tyres should be fitted to the rear and the old rears put on the front.....just saying.
 
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/364252/half-drivers-think-new-pair-tyres-should-go-cars-front-wheels-theyre-wrong

[Lord Voltermore]

I think the cause of that alignment fault might be potholes. Far too many nowadays and I don't always spot them in time or I can't swerve to drive round them because of other traffic. My previous car had a broken front road spring, also likely to be caused by potholes. England has joined the third world. 

When I started driving regularly in eastern europe 20 years ago the potholes were awful. Sometimes the  whole road was one big pothole,with the danger coming from the occasional  raised  bit of tarmac.   You expected there to be potholes and learned to drive accordingly., often on the wrong side of the road if it was smoother. ( like the old joke "what side of  the  road do they drive in Malta - The shady side " ) 

Eastern roads are now much better - often better than the UK.   But many drivers in the UK have not yet adapted their anticipation and technique to the new pothole reality , and we  shouldnt have to.   

[Karoq]

It maybe you have hit a pot hole and its skewed the alignment of the wheel tracking . While not enough to notice on tbe steering  wheel central position it  may have caused it over a good distance . The high torque of the electric drive motor can add to the wear if you set off briskly from a tee junction.. however if you drive smoothly as i try to (mostly..) its simply going to be wheel alignment .?

I hate to disagree, but wear on BOTH edges would, I would have thought, not been tracking.
Too much toe in would wear the outside edge, too little, to the point of toeing OUT would wear the inside edge.
More likely to be under inflation.
Eco tyres fitted to any electrified car are made of a different compound and are not known for their longevity.

[Spodric]

Mine needed 2 new front tyres at about 18 k miles. The fronts showed uneven wear resulting in an advisory on the MOT. I had 2 new Yokohamas fitted to match the existing rears. I don't like mixing different tyres. I'm guessing that all 4 tyres will need replacing next time and that will be the right opportunity to fit better ones. Probably a 4 seasons type.

TyrePros did a wheel alignment check that showed a significant alignment error. I had noticed that when driving in a staight line the steering wheel was no longer centered but the 2 spokes were at a slight angle. At the same time there was no pull to the left or right so I suspected that the ECU that governs the electric steering assistance was keeping the Jazz in a straight line and compensating for the wheel alignment fault.

Anyway, with the wheel alignment now set correctly the steering wheel is back to level and the Jazz steering feels better and more responsive. The fronts might last for 20k miles. £69.95 well spent.

I think the cause of that alignment fault might be potholes. Far too many nowadays and I don't always spot them in time or I can't swerve to drive round them because of other traffic. My previous car had a broken front road spring, also likely to be caused by potholes. England has joined the third world. 

Of course a pair of new tyres should be fitted to the rear and the old rears put on the front.....just saying.
 
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/364252/half-drivers-think-new-pair-tyres-should-go-cars-front-wheels-theyre-wrong

I am aware of that. I asked the tyre fitter about that and he declined saying it isn't their normal practice.

If the rears lose grip I would react and correct the skid pretty much as a conditioned reflex. Having done a skid pan course + quite a lot of rally driving it's not going to bother me.

[Jazzik]

Of course a pair of new tyres should be fitted to the rear and the old rears put on the front.....just saying.
 
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/364252/half-drivers-think-new-pair-tyres-should-go-cars-front-wheels-theyre-wrong

I am aware of that. I asked the tyre fitter about that and he declined saying it isn't their normal practice.

Hmmm...

If the rears lose grip I would react and correct the skid pretty much as a conditioned reflex. Having done a skid pan course + quite a lot of rally driving it's not going to bother me.

Hmmm...
After doing several skid pan courses, I still prefer the tires with the best profile on the rear wheels... But then I haven't done any rallies.

[ColinB]

I am aware of that. I asked the tyre fitter about that and he declined saying it isn't their normal practice.

Really surprised that a tyre fitter declined to do something which is generally accepted to be safer. He's got the car up on a lift, it's not exactly difficult. And whilst you feel you may be able to cope with any issue, other customers may not. If that's their normal practice, sounds like a fitting outfit to avoid ... name and shame?