Mk4 2021 Jazz Brake failure

[coldstart]

I can totally understand your frrustration!

(I'm a "victim" of VW's "Dieselgate" and vowed to never, ever buy a car made by the VW-group again!)
Honda on the other hand has a reputation of building very reliable cars, which made me buy a Jazz among other reasons like fuel efficiency and ride-comfort..

I think we should give Honda the benefit of the doubt and not overrate this incident as Honda has come around to undertake full responsibility for this manufacturing fault (that clearly took some time to manifest).

Once your Jazz gets the new brake feel simulator you're hopefully in for many more trouble free years to come.

Addendum:

As for the mirrors: I had the left mirror replaced (under warranty) after only one year because it sometimes wasn't unfolding on unlocking/startup. For right hand side drive countries the left mirror is essential!

I understand (from other Jazz fora too) this tragically is a very common fault which Honda seems to prefer handling by warranty rather than addressing the root cause
Well, as long as my Jazz is under warranty it is their money they're burning not mine!


 

[aphybrid]

My Crosstar vin consists of JHMGR----NS------

[Nicksey]

My Crosstar vin consists of JHMGR----NS------

Ah, so the production run before my PS produced car.
I wonder if there are any on this forum who have the MS production cars?

[MikeRO]

I have a JHMG6***MS****** VIN Crosstar and haven't had the brake issue yet.

[CB72]

Honda says the affected (pre-facelift) Jazzes have VINs in the range of:
JHMG[3/6]***MS*****  = MY 2021
JHMG[3/6]***NS*****  = MY 2022
JHMG[3/6]***PS*****  = MY 2023

I have a 2022 Jazz with this VIN:
JHMGR****PS******
I assume Im not affected, if the info above is correct?

[CB72]

A standard 17-character VIN is structured as follows:

    1st character (J): Represents the country of origin. "J" indicates the vehicle was manufactured in Japan.

    2nd character (H): Represents the manufacturer. "H" is used for Honda.

    3rd character (M): Represents the vehicle type or division. "M" usually indicates passenger vehicles.

    4th to 8th characters (GR**)**: These characters represent the model, body type, and engine. In this case, it likely corresponds to a Honda model, such as the Honda Accord (or similar).

    9th character (R): This is the check digit used to validate the VIN. It doesn’t provide specific information about the vehicle's characteristics but is important for the VIN's integrity.

    10th character (P): Represents the model year. "P" corresponds to the 2023 model year.

    11th character (S): Represents the plant code where the vehicle was manufactured. "S" corresponds to one of Honda's production plants, likely in Japan.

    12th to 17th characters (****)**: These characters are the serial number or unique identifier for the specific vehicle.

[ninanina]

A standard 17-character VIN is structured as follows:

    1st character (J): Represents the country of origin. "J" indicates the vehicle was manufactured in Japan.

    2nd character (H): Represents the manufacturer. "H" is used for Honda.

    3rd character (M): Represents the vehicle type or division. "M" usually indicates passenger vehicles.

    4th to 8th characters (GR**)**: These characters represent the model, body type, and engine. In this case, it likely corresponds to a Honda model, such as the Honda Accord (or similar).

    9th character (R): This is the check digit used to validate the VIN. It doesn’t provide specific information about the vehicle's characteristics but is important for the VIN's integrity.

    10th character (P): Represents the model year. "P" corresponds to the 2023 model year.

    11th character (S): Represents the plant code where the vehicle was manufactured. "S" corresponds to one of Honda's production plants, likely in Japan.

    12th to 17th characters (****)**: These characters are the serial number or unique identifier for the specific vehicle.

That is extremely useful information, thank you

[ColinB]

Honda says the affected (pre-facelift) Jazzes have VINs in the range of:
JHMG[3/6]***MS*****  = MY 2021
JHMG[3/6]***NS*****  = MY 2022
JHMG[3/6]***PS*****  = MY 2023

I have a 2022 Jazz with this VIN:
JHMGR****PS******
I assume Im not affected, if the info above is correct?

Even if your car was bought and first registered in 2022, if it has a PS VIN as per your own subsequent post then it's a 2023 model. So unfortunately - assuming coldstart's info is correct - your car is in the affected range.

[RuthieB]

Interesting that a recall has now been entitled "PRODUCT UPDATE" OR "PUD"...............SEE ATTACHED COPY OF LETTER FROM HONDA.

(You need to Log on to view the attached .pdf)

I've checked on the government website but our '21 Jazz EX isn't showing..............yet!

Again, thanks for all the contributors to this thread. We are winning the battles but the war has still to be won!!!

[BobM]

From the recalls documents on Gov.UK website https://www.check-vehicle-recalls.service.gov.uk/recall-type/vehicle/make R/2024/386 includes the following (build start/end dates)

Jazz E:HEV (29/01/2020 to 02/02/2022)
Civic 5D E:HEV (20/10/2021 to 18/01/2022)
CR-V E:HEV (02/07/2018 to 31/01/2022)
CR-V Hybrid (02/07/2018 to 31/01/2022)
HONDA e (19/07/2019 to 31/01/2022)
HR-V E:HEV (25/01/2021 to 31/01/2022)

Over 45,000 vehicles - may take a while, but the single Civic owner may be OK.

[RuthieB]

From the recalls documents on Gov.UK website https://www.check-vehicle-recalls.service.gov.uk/recall-type/vehicle/make R/2024/386 includes the following (build start/end dates)

Jazz E:HEV (29/01/2020 to 02/02/2022)
Civic 5D E:HEV (20/10/2021 to 18/01/2022)
CR-V E:HEV (02/07/2018 to 31/01/2022)
CR-V Hybrid (02/07/2018 to 31/01/2022)
HONDA e (19/07/2019 to 31/01/2022)
HR-V E:HEV (25/01/2021 to 31/01/2022)

Over 45,000 vehicles - may take a while, but the single Civic owner may be OK.

I think I’ve found that Civic……

[rightasrain]

Sorry but I don't understand if the recall is only made by Honda UK for now or Honda Europe too?
And if not, do you think European cars will be recalled too?
Thanks.

[5thcivic]

The recall is in several countries so far. The limitimg factor is obviously getting many thousands of the new parts quickly so probably explains the different time scales. Logically they would concentrate in areas with the highest sales of the earliest affected cars first, then work forwards in time scales.

[coldstart]

The recall is in several countries so far. The limitimg factor is obviously getting many thousands of the new parts quickly so probably explains the different time scales. Logically they would concentrate in areas with the highest sales of the earliest affected cars first, then work forwards in time scales.

Yes, I think it boils simply down to a problem of logistics for Honda.

We now know that the defect (corrosion) takes a lot of time to develop - from the messages I've read so far it looks like something around or even above three years so now mainly MY21 (built in 2020 through early 2021) should be mostly affected. (This coincides with the so far only case my Honda dealership has had: One MY21 Jazz with a JHMG****MS***** VIN.

Maybe Honda even staggered the letters informing the affected owners accordingly to avoid "panic".

[CB72]

Text from Gov.UK

HONDA MOTOR CO Jazz E:HEV 2022

This vehicle has 1 recall.

Abnormal Brake Pedal Feel 6AF
Recall number R/2024/387
Recall date 10-10-2024
Recall type Safety recall

Reason for recall
On affected vehicles multiple warning lights are displayed and an abnormal brake pedal feeling experienced resulting in extended pedal travel and an increase in brake pedal force being required.

How to check if the vehicle is recalled
Contact the local HONDA MOTOR CO dealership or manufacturer. You will not need to pay for anything involving the recall.

How the manufacturer will repair
Replace the Brake Operating Simulator (BOS) unit.

Number of affected vehicles
24807