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Sharon

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Road grip issue
« on: November 08, 2023, 02:38:42 PM »
Hi all looking for advice. Despite driving  my lovely old Jazz for some 8 years now, I've never got into a situation where I've needed recovery. In the last 4 weeks I've been in that situation a few times. First time I touched on a ditch doing a three point turn and ended up beaching into it. 2 hours waiting for AA to pull me out. Second time,  whilst going up a very steep hill, I pulled into a layby to let an oncoming lorry pass. When I tried to drive off I slid back, ended up on a small mound with the passenger side front wheel a foot off the ground. Waited an hour for someone who could help and eventually sorted it. Third time on a straight road I pulled into a passing place but then found the front wheels spinning before I eventually rolled back and found some traction. The thing is, these issues have happened only since I had four new tyres fitted. GT radial All Season tyres. They were the middle price option and I thought I'd be sorted for winter. However I'm now very concerned that these tyres are going to continue letting me down. Excuse my ignorance here, but could they have been put on incorrectly or the wrong way round or something? It was just a small local garage that did them, not a proper tyre place. Should also say that when they were first installed there were red dots on the side of the tyres, which I hadn't seen before and which have since faded.

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Re: Road grip issue
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2023, 07:30:19 AM »
sounds like during tyre/wheel change the handbrake setting/position has been affected - take to decent mechanic/garage.

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Re: Road grip issue
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2023, 08:32:53 AM »
Get wheel alignment checked.
If it is out - due to a bump- you can get all sorts of weird effect.
Youngest son's Yaris hit kerb fast when parking. Next couple of weeks it nearly spun twice in wet weather. Tracking was way out.

To do tracking properly you need a proper tyre fitting garage with laser alignment systems

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Re: Road grip issue
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2023, 08:38:10 AM »
Excuse my ignorance here, but could they have been put on incorrectly or the wrong way round or something? It was just a small local garage that did them, not a proper tyre place.

Most fast fit centres offer a free tyre check, Kwik Fit, Halfords etc https://www.halfords.com/car-repairs/tyres-services/free-tyre-check-PRODUCTTYRECHECK.html

If the tyres you've bought have been incorrectly fitted, eg directional tyres on the wrong way, the fast fit folk will spot it. That said, I'd go back to the garage that fitted them and get them to check first.

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Re: Road grip issue
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2023, 11:17:56 AM »
All season tyre are typically directional.  ie they do need to to go on the correct  way round to get maximum traction.         You should have had two tyres mounted for correct rotation on the left side of the car and two for the right side.   If you look carefully at the side wall there is normally a 'direction of rotation' marking. Usually in words  but it might just be a stylised arrow design.

If they have been mounted on the wrong side ,get them to swop them over.  If they have mounted the tyres wrongly  (eg all 4 the same way round)  they will need to remove and remount the incorrect  tyres.  Either way its their mistake and they should do it free of charge.

As a great fan of all season tyres I would be very surprised  if ,correctly mounted ,any brand would give  worse grip in mud etc than summer tyres.   I drove in snow on mine on 5 November 2023  :-*   

But bear in mind if your car does not have traction control  it is in effect just one wheel drive. Two wheels can potentially give drive if the tyre grip/road surface  is more or less equal both sides.   But if the grip is unequal  , maybe one wheel in mud or ice,but the other on good tarmac   drive  will follow the path of least resistance.  The wheel with best grip will remain stationary, and the car may 'spin'  the other wheel and you go nowhere.  If your car is on a slide slope  the lower side of the car will be heavier.  Even if the low side is the one in the worst  mud or snow, it may be the lighter, high side, of the car that spins its wheel first. 

Even with the best possible tyre grip in mud or snow, this can still happen. The car may be unable to pull itself out of a ditch etc  if its effectively relying on traction from just one of its tyres, not both.  Even  if both wheels are potentially able to offer similar grip, climbing a steep enough  slope or hill in snow  can result in one or other of the wheels 'spinning' before the other.   All season/winter tyres give you a bigger margin before this happens   but all tyres have their limits.

You can improve traction by technique..  a wheel is more likely to 'spin'  if you try to accelerate too fast. Grip may improve if you attempt to crawl out in a higher gear.  I used to compete in off road motorsports
 attempting to get a car  as far as possible up muddy (sometimes icy) tracks  for fun.   Attempting to 'blast' your way out with wheel spin often doesnt work , however good your tyre grip. The drivers who perfected the 'trickle' technique usually did better. 
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Re: Road grip issue
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2023, 12:31:47 PM »
As well as a check of the tracking & directional fitting I would double check the pressures + your spare.
The red dots are normal on new tyres for balancing the wheels they should be aligned with the valve.
I'm sure you will be able to get them sorted.

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Re: Road grip issue
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2023, 02:20:41 PM »
Some fantastic advice and education there. Thank you all. Just one thing, before I go and get some laser tracking done (bit hard up for cash at moment) is there a way to do a rough test at least,  when I am driving??
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Re: Road grip issue
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2023, 03:33:43 PM »
IMO tracking issues would not make the difference in grip you describe  .  If with your previous tyres the car ran straight ahead without wandering or pulling to the side, and there was no rapid  and uneven  tread wear you can probably leave the tracking  for a while.

  But its a good idea to get it checked when you can as it can affect tyre wear and possibly mpg.     This is assuming you havnt hit a pothole ,kerb etc hard   enough in the meantime which may have knocked the tracking out. 

Did the garage balance the wheels with new balance weights?  If the wheels are out of balance you can sometimes feel vibration etc through the steering wheel at certain speeds.  Sometimes they are reasonably well balanced by luck  without anything needing to be done, so if there is no noticeable vibration  this too can wait. IMO
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Re: Road grip issue
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2023, 09:58:08 AM »
I thought more about your problem, best route to take:
Take you Jazz to which ever garage that does servicing/MOT IE a place that you know & they know the car. Ask them to check the tyre pressures - details on drivers door shut panel NR bottom. Also have them check the size is same all round and the tyres are fitted correctly IE outside marked on tyre wall .
One cause could be incorrect pressure on 2 or more tyres. Lets know how you get on. This forum will be there to help.

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