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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2025, 04:02:52 PM »
I cannot understand why in the UK anyone needs to change tyres 'seasonally'. I appreciate our Scandinavian friends might feel it necessary.. but not in the UK.

I have driven all over the country, in all types of weather. We regularly take winter trips into the lake district, Peaks and Scotland. Very wet weather, through flood washed roads in valleys and occasional snow. The Blue earths have been great.. and as I said previously, I don't hang around but I do drive within the limits of the conditions. The new TOYO are rated a step higher regarding wet weather braking, so I am confident they too will suffice whatever the UK weather throws at them.

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2025, 05:14:01 PM »
I won't need new tyres for ages yet but out of curiosity I looked at the 185/55-16 selection on Camskills.  The Yokohama Blue Earth is rated at A for economy, B for wet grip and 67 dB for noise.  This is their top rating for economy and noise and next to top for wet grip.  There was nothing else matching this; better wet grip would mean sacrificing economy or noise or both.

I've not used Camskills but I have used Black Circle.  They said my car needed 185/60-16 (Crosstar I believe) and gave two different ratings for the Yokohama tyre; one as above, the other worse!

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2025, 05:52:03 PM »
Yes, there are two different versions of that tyre. Looking exactly the same looks. ES32 R2425 has ecomomy rating C and ES32D R9249 has rating A. I bought the latter ones for my GK5 Jazz. I thought it was only available in size 185/55R16.
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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2025, 07:21:26 PM »
Yes, there are two different versions of that tyre. Looking exactly the same looks. ES32 R2425 has ecomomy rating C and ES32D R9249 has rating A. I bought the latter ones on my GK5 Jazz. I thought it was only available in size 185/55R16.

It is all very weird.  On the Yokohama site the 185/55-16 is the only one with the A/B/67 rating.  The 185/60-16 is not listed with the ES32 tyres.  The 185/60-15 fitted to the Elegance is listed as available as ES32 but it has a C/C rating.  That is odd since the WLTP ratings for the Elegance are better, perhaps due to the lower weight.
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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2025, 09:01:08 PM »
Based on this PDF from honda.fi website, I assume that Jazz uses the following tyres:
Elegance: Yokohama R6084 (fuel efficiency B)
Advance: Yokohama R6078 (fuel efficiency C)
Crosstar: Dunlop 582243 (fuel efficiency B)

This would explain why Advance has worse MPG than Elegance, but it doesn't explain why Crosstar has even worse MPG.

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2025, 10:17:04 PM »
Yes that must be right.  It looks like the Honda OE tyres are not listed on the current Yokohama Website.  Mine do indeed say 185/55-16 with a speed rating H and load index of 87 which is not the same as the one on the Yokohama site or listed by the UK suppliers. Not very special at all really with a C and C rating.

I'd always imagined that the Crosstar was aerodynamically less efficient than the regular models.

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2025, 06:36:03 AM »
I cannot understand why in the UK anyone needs to change tyres 'seasonally'. I appreciate our Scandinavian friends might feel it necessary.. but not in the UK.

I have driven all over the country, in all types of weather. We regularly take winter trips into the lake district, Peaks and Scotland. Very wet weather, through flood washed roads in valleys and occasional snow. The Blue earths have been great.. and as I said previously, I don't hang around but I do drive within the limits of the conditions. The new TOYO are rated a step higher regarding wet weather braking, so I am confident they too will suffice whatever the UK weather throws at them.

I did for a few years when I had a BMW 540i Touring. My job involved extensive flying and I was often travelling to Heathrow in the very early hours of the morning to catch flights. Running winter tyres gave the confidence to be able to get to the airport irrespective of what the weather threw at me, especially as it was often around zero or below on many 3am drives during the winters.
 
Would my summer tyres have done the job, probably most of the time, apart from getting off the drive should there have been ice or snow on my drive/road at that hour of the morning.

Now retired, I just stick with stock tyres, but i do consider a possible future change to all-seasons for my other car for the odd winter trip to Scotland to visit my daughter, but I still need to weigh up the small risk of bad weather for the 1 or 2 trips vs the reduced tyre performance during the remainder of the year.
The Jazz will remain on stock tyres, no complaints with the Yokohama's

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2025, 11:21:52 AM »
According to the label on my car and also the handbook and brochure, Honda specify the 87 load index tyres rather than the more common 83 rated ones.  The 83 is rated at 487 kg or 974 kg for the front axle and the brochure says 946 kg max so not a big safety margin.  The 87 is rated at 545 kg - a big safety margin.

In the UK it looks as if replacing the original 185/55-16 Yokohamas with the currently listed ones may mean you get the marginal 83 load rating.

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2025, 01:09:07 PM »
According to the label on my car and also the handbook and brochure, Honda specify the 87 load index tyres rather than the more common 83 rated ones.  The 83 is rated at 487 kg or 974 kg for the front axle and the brochure says 946 kg max so not a big safety margin.  The 87 is rated at 545 kg - a big safety margin.

In the UK it looks as if replacing the original 185/55-16 Yokohamas with the currently listed ones may mean you get the marginal 83 load rating.

Which is why I didn't go for these, and Black circles cannot obtain the OEM fit... hence me going for the TOYO.

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2025, 09:32:48 AM »
Just to join in. I had the unfortunate experience of a flat on Tuesday this week. An even more apalling experience with the outsourced Honda Assistance  from the AA to a.n.other company. The first company failed to check the tyre, said they couldn't tow a hybrid and went away. A further 3 1/2  hours later, the AA arrived reinflated the tyre pushed the huge staple into it and escorted me the mile to the garage.  Excellent.  It became clear that the matching Yokohamas are not available in the UK. Multiple tyre stockists only offered the lower rated, on order, and local Honda dealer said could not be sourced in the UK  and fitted two Davanti tyres onto that axel.  It was a very cold and horrid experience.  Only 5 minutes away from my local Honda main dealer who were very good  both over the phone and when I got there.

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2025, 10:40:29 AM »
I also  had a puncture on my 2024 Jazz, but fitted my space saver to get home. I couldn't find the correct Yokohama 87H anywhere, but then I found three part-worn ones on an auction site. I bought one for £43 delivered. It has over 6mm of tread and no visible damage at all. My local tyre place fitted it for £10. Result!

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2025, 12:02:13 PM »
Just had the cars 3 year service today, all of 4800 miles from new.

Tyre depths recorded as follows:
NSF 5.5mm
OSF 5.5mm
NSR 6.1mm
OSR 6.4mm

Mostly short in and out of town trips, stop start.

Extended the Warranty for another 2 years at a cost of just under £650 for peace of mind to match the 5 year service plan.
Now reading the 2 pages of exclusions!

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2025, 03:38:04 PM »
Just to join in. I had the unfortunate experience of a flat on Tuesday this week. An even more apalling experience with the outsourced Honda Assistance  from the AA to a.n.other company. The first company failed to check the tyre, said they couldn't tow a hybrid and went away. A further 3 1/2  hours later, the AA arrived reinflated the tyre pushed the huge staple into it and escorted me the mile to the garage.  Excellent.  It became clear that the matching Yokohamas are not available in the UK. Multiple tyre stockists only offered the lower rated, on order, and local Honda dealer said could not be sourced in the UK  and fitted two Davanti tyres onto that axel.  It was a very cold and horrid experience.  Only 5 minutes away from my local Honda main dealer who were very good  both over the phone and when I got there.
To avoid this situation I got a full size spare and carried it in the boot, that way Assistance could change the wheel and i'd be on my way 

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2025, 10:49:57 AM »
After 1 year and 6800 miles my Yokohama blue earths are 5.5 mm front and 6.5 rear.

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Re: Yokohama tyre wear
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2025, 11:12:40 AM »
To avoid this situation I got a full size spare and carried it in the boot, that way Assistance could change the wheel and i'd be on my way
I got a full size spare, jack and wrench, so that I can change the wheel myself without Assistace.

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