Catalitic converter

[BestwoodRoadie]

Been reading a couple of articles with reference to the theft of the precious metals that are in the new converters.
Looks like they do a lot of damage to the vehicles when they do try to nick them.
It also says the new Jazz's are susceptible to this growing trend, anyone on here had any experience of this or any tips on how to make it more difficult to get at the tailpipe?
Seems it is also a problem with waiting time to get the thing fixed if it does happen.

[Bristol_Crosstar]

Been reading a couple of articles with reference to the theft of the precious metals that are in the new converters.
Looks like they do a lot of damage to the vehicles when they do try to nick them.
It also says the new Jazz's are susceptible to this growing trend, anyone on here had any experience of this or any tips on how to make it more difficult to get at the tailpipe?
Seems it is also a problem with waiting time to get the thing fixed if it does happen.

I thought it was older Jazz's that had the issue, I can't imagine many Mk4's have been damaged this way as there are hardly any about.

[Kremmen]

Surely they would have to crowbar the bonnet or smash a window to open the bonnet as the cat is inside the bay, not underneath ?

[sportse]

New Jazz’s don’t have this issue - it’s the reason I bought mine instead of another Toyota.

The catalytic converter is in the engine bay. The only thing that sticks out is the lower part of the petrol particle filter, but as the top part is behind the subframe there is no way to cut it off and even if they somehow did, petrol particle filters aren’t worth much.

I think from 2017 onwards the earlier model is ok too.

It’s particularly the very early Jazz models that have the problem, but some people are just replacing theirs with cheap pattern parts before they get stolen.

[culzean]

New Jazz’s don’t have this issue - it’s the reason I bought mine instead of another Toyota.

The catalytic converter is in the engine bay. The only thing that sticks out is the lower part of the petrol particle filter, but as the top part is behind the subframe there is no way to cut it off and even if they somehow did, petrol particle filters aren’t worth much.

I think from 2017 onwards the earlier model is ok too.

It’s particularly the very early Jazz models that have the problem, but some people are just replacing theirs with cheap pattern parts before they get stolen.

After 2008 when MK2 came out the CAT is behind the engine, close coupled straight onto exhaust manifold, very high up so not accessible from under the car.

[culzean]

Once people start getting those heatpump thingys that are supposed to save the planet it will be easier to nick them off the outside of peoples houses than to grub around under vehicles after a CAT,  and they are worth a lot more...

[Kremmen]

I did wonder about those heat pumps being outside when I saw that one outside Octopus Energy in Slough.

Surely they don't expect those to be placed outside everywhere. Conservation areas, terraced rows, etc. I thought rows of wheelie bins were bad enough.

[culzean]

I did wonder about those heat pumps being outside when I saw that one outside Octopus Energy in Slough.

Surely they don't expect those to be placed outside everywhere. Conservation areas, terraced rows, etc. I thought rows of wheelie bins were bad enough.

There are other reasons for putting them outside, but noise is one reason.   They are just an aircon unit working in reverse,  and they are always on outside walls.   Problem is in colder weather the efficiency plunges... So when it is cold outside and you are trying to heat your house ( which is the whole point of the blooming things ) they will be very expensive to run.  At 35deg C ambient they produce >3KW of heat for every 1KW of electricity,  at 5degC ambient they return about 1.3KW for each 1KW of electrickery, and the flow temp about 40 to 45deg C,  they can make them with a higher flow temp, but then their efficiency drops.   With the price of electricity on an upward trend they will only get more expensive to run. 

[Kremmen]

When I move nearer to the daughter in a few years it sounds like I need to be on her estate. No gas, storage heaters.

She had the latest Dimplex Quantums fitted and they're quite efficient.

[embee]

Getting off topic .... again ......

An electric resistance heater (e.g. storage heater, immersion heater) is by definition 100% efficient, all the energy that goes into them comes out as heat. The problem is that it costs you north of 20p/kWh on the typical electricity tariff today, compared to around 5p/kWh for a domestic A rated gas boiler.
A "heat pump" uses the electricty to take heat from a cold source and "pump" it up to a warm dump, and under the right circumstances can achieve a performance ratio greater than one, e.g it uses 1kWh of energy but moves 2kWh, it isn't creating heat it's just moving it. In that case each kWh of heat into your sitting room will have cost you 0.5kWh of electricity. Efficient but still expensive....... and the electricity will have come from a gas fired power station, so you may as well burn the gas in the house unless the coefficient of performance is better than 2.5

[Saycol]

And because the hot water temperature achieved by the heat pump is only 45C compared to 60C from a gas boiler, all your radiators will need to be increased in size by 50% unless you are fortunate enough to be able to install underfloor heating and do away with them altogether.

Sorry that this off topic but it seems a natural progression from earlier posts.

[Kremmen]

I need to move before the deadline because I've got gas fired warm air heating and hot water.

Unless Johnson & Starley develop a hydrogen replacement. (without a catalytic converter)

[BestwoodRoadie]

Thanks for all your replies re the catalytic converter, I didn’t realise it was pre mk 4 jazz’s.
Thanks for the info.

[nowster]

And because the hot water temperature achieved by the heat pump is only 45C compared to 60C from a gas boiler...

Ooh! Legionnaires Disease here we come!

[Bristol_Crosstar]

Thanks for all your replies re the catalytic converter, I didn’t realise it was pre mk 4 jazz’s.
Thanks for the info.

What makes it confusing, I've seen press articles about this and they're clearly talking about older Jazz's but they show a picture of the Mk4 (the journo probably doesn't know the difference)