RDMS and winter

[ColinB]

Undertaking is discouraged in the UK highway code.

At the risk of going off topic, there's an interesting debate to be had there. It is certainly forbidden to deliberately change lane in order to undertake. But if traffic is moving in lanes at different speeds, then I think the HC says it's perfectly OK to maintain speed in your lane even if that means you pass someone on the inside. But you have to be wary about someone deciding to move over at just the wrong moment without checking their nearside mirror.

[shufty]

[quote author=shufty link=topic=13858.msg109445#msg109445
The Problem with RDMS is that at any moment on a country road it could pull the steering and send you head on into oncoming traffic.

I find this very hard to believe. I have had mine for 16 months and approaching 5k miles. I have not experienced anything like that. Yes it can vibrate the wheel and sometimes it seems a bit premature but steering into oncoming traffic, no. I have noticed that the vibration happens a lot less now than when I first had the car. So maybe my driving has improved 🤔.
From your statement above shouldn't you be reporting this to Honda, NCAP and the DVSA.

...I think you've missed some bits off your re quote as it's made it look like I originally said this when it was sportse.

[nowster]

ACC is actually helpful in stop-go roadworks traffic or free-flowing long 50mph motorway roadworks (with average speed cameras). You do need to be aware of what it's doing, though.

[sportse]

ACC is actually helpful in stop-go roadworks traffic or free-flowing long 50mph motorway roadworks (with average speed cameras). You do need to be aware of what it's doing, though.

Unless the traffic is speeding up quickly and then slowing down again in the roadworks.

I’ll never use ACC in stop go traffic after I tried it once and it nearly crashed.

ACC can’t keep up with quick (normal traffic in the South) speed changes and in my case triggered the CMBS warning itself.

It’s sad because many people want ACC to use specifically in stop go traffic, but the owners manual says not to use it there.

[Kremmen]

On my previous car I only used CC to stop me drifting over the 50mph average speed, Specs protected, limit. It used to keep me at exactly 50 and all I had to do was plan ahead and change lanes as required.

I tried to do the same with ACC and it just doesn't work and it changes, reduces, your speed unexpectedly.

[culzean]

Undertaking is discouraged in the UK highway code.

At the risk of going off topic, there's an interesting debate to be had there. It is certainly forbidden to deliberately change lane in order to undertake. But if traffic is moving in lanes at different speeds, then I think the HC says it's perfectly OK to maintain speed in your lane even if that means you pass someone on the inside. But you have to be wary about someone deciding to move over at just the wrong moment without checking their nearside mirror.

Undertaking in low speed ( say <40mph ) is unavoidable on our crowded motorways,  but some folks do it at >70 when traffic is flowing freely and well spaced out,  and that is just stupid and potentially suicidal. Never, ever, ever undertake when an off-ramp is approaching,  driver who are not paying attention ( too many these days ) often see the signs at last minute and dive into inside lane, sometimes from straight out of the 'BMW lane'....

[culzean]

On my previous car I only used CC to stop me drifting over the 50mph average speed, Specs protected, limit. It used to keep me at exactly 50 and all I had to do was plan ahead and change lanes as required.

I have seen people brake for the first yellow specs camera and then speed up and brake for second specs camera - they really do not understand 'average speed' do they.

[Kremmen]

I see it all the time on the M4. I just hope they get a NIP and realise their mistake(s)

[embee]

It's beginning to sound like folk are concentrating on the "systems" rather than the driving. Is this a sign of the future?

"I crashed because the car didn't say I shouldn't".

[Lord Voltermore]

Used correctly these systems can allow you to divert a  tiny bit more attention to other hazards.  If you chose to do so.
Some folk think such aids 'self driving cars', and switch themselves off.

It can even happen with satnav voice directions. Tales of people driving into rivers because  the sat nav told them to turn left.  And straight ahead at the junction doesnt mean  ignoring a red light or give way lines !   (all satnavs, I'm not just picking on the Honda/Garmin )

And on a similar vein ,as a life long advocate of manual transmission I always imagined it was all instinctive  But I must admit I now find not having to stir the gearstick mid roundabout etc allows me to concentrate a tiny bit more on what other   traffic is doing.  Not that I was a menace before    .  But it may just be I am concentrating on it more at the moment to assess how the blind spot monitoring thingie performs in traffic.   

[culzean]

And on a similar vein ,as a life long advocate of manual transmission I always imagined it was all instinctive  But I must admit I now find not having to stir the gearstick mid roundabout etc allows me to concentrate a tiny bit more on what other   traffic is doing.  Not that I was a menace before    .  But it may just be I am concentrating on it more at the moment to assess how the blind spot monitoring thingie performs in traffic.

Ideally you should be in correct gear before entering the roundabout ( same with bends on the road ),  most roundabouts these days are 30mph, and many more being reduced to 30, IMHO this is the only safe speed on a roundabout where people are trying to enter at multiple junctions.

[Lord Voltermore]

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Ideally you should be in correct gear before entering the roundabout ( same with bends on the road ),  most roundabouts these days are 30mph, and many more being reduced to 30, IMHO this is the only safe speed on a roundabout where people are trying to enter at multiple junctions.

I totally agree in principle  .   But its not always  possible to enter a roundabout or gyratory system already  doing 30 mph, and maintain a single speed and gear  all the way round.

[Mellorshark]

[quote author=shufty link=topic=13858.msg109445#msg109445
The Problem with RDMS is that at any moment on a country road it could pull the steering and send you head on into oncoming traffic.

I find this very hard to believe. I have had mine for 16 months and approaching 5k miles. I have not experienced anything like that. Yes it can vibrate the wheel and sometimes it seems a bit premature but steering into oncoming traffic, no. I have noticed that the vibration happens a lot less now than when I first had the car. So maybe my driving has improved &#38;#38;#129300;.
From your statement above shouldn't you be reporting this to Honda, NCAP and the DVSA.

...I think you've missed some bits off your re quote as it's made it look like I originally said this when it was sportse.

Sorry

[Lord Voltermore]

As a reminder for UK drivers  here is a cut and past of rule 150 of the Highway code   .   Its obvious really.

Rule 150
There is a danger of driver distraction being caused by in-vehicle systems such as satellite navigation systems, congestion warning systems, PCs, multi-media, etc. You MUST exercise proper control of your vehicle at all times. Do not rely on driver assistance systems such as motorway assist, lane departure warnings, or remote control parking. They are available to assist but you should not reduce your concentration levels. Do not be distracted by maps or screen-based information (such as navigation or vehicle management systems) while driving or riding. If necessary find a safe place to stop.

As the driver, you are still responsible for the vehicle if you use a driver assistance system (like motorway assist). This is also the case if you use a hand-held remote control parking app or device. You MUST have full control over these systems at all times.

Laws RTA 1988 sects 2 & 3, & CUR reg 104 & 110

This is from the highway code updated on 14 September 2021.         I was looking to see if the fundamental changes to pedestrian and cyclist priority  expected  for the Autumn had yet been included.  (eg giving way to pedestrians waiting to cross ,not just  those already crossing)    It doesnt look like they have yet.

[peteo48]

The Highway Code Rule 150 makes perfect sense.

We are, I think, in a grey area en route to self driving cars. Potentially hazardous if people switch off.