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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #735 on: August 20, 2025, 07:50:25 AM »
Live in a rural setting, usual speed try to stay at 50mph, some other trips - where the mpg dips are due to
travel via motorway to airport or relatives and some 3/4 hour trips through highlands.

Drive in B mode in towns and D where not throttle changes likely.


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« Reply #736 on: August 21, 2025, 08:30:01 AM »
How does the MPG compare with the Yaris? Has anyone ever driven a Yaris to do a comparison?
I need to pick one between Jazz and Yaris soon :D
A friend as a Yaris and I asked him about average MPG... let's see what value he has

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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #737 on: August 21, 2025, 10:10:28 AM »
Comparing fuel economy in that way is a waste of time because it depends on the driving style, road conditions, loading, and route. If you want to compare between models, use the WLTP figures because those are at least done in a standardised way. They probably don't reflect real-world economy so won't tell you what you, personally, will get but they will tell you which of the cars is more efficient.

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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #738 on: August 22, 2025, 12:31:26 PM »
Hello there I have just signed up.

We have had our Mk.4 for a few weeks and it's a joy.  Only filled up once but so far it has averaged about 64 mpg on the 'fibometer.'  For more years than you can guess I've been recording petrol added and miles travelled and in every case the tripmeter has registered more than my calculation. That's on a 2002 Honda Civic (the mpv-like one), a 2011 Seat Ibiza TSi and a VW Polo TSi.

I wonder if it is deliberate exaggeration but there is a difference.  The car measures fuel injected and I measure petrol added to the tank.  Can any get lost on the way?  Possibly there will be some evaporation or even a touch of seepage through the many joints in pipes etc.

If the evaporation effect is real then a high mileage driver might get a smaller difference than a low mileage one. I am a low mileage driver but I just may have seen a difference on high mileage holiday trips etc.

Anyone else seen this effect?

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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #739 on: August 22, 2025, 02:01:47 PM »
Welcome to the forum.  The 'fibometer' reading is accurate enough for me. I dont monitor forecourt purchases.  But I think those who do compare the two  generally find the discrepancy in accuracy remains fairly constant regardless of journey type.

I think the difference is that the measuring equipment/computer calculations are standard for all cars, and may not be individually calibrated for accuracy on the production line.  Therefore tiny differences in manufacturing tolerances  will be revealed as discrepancies between cars.       Whereas forecourt pumps are regularly calibrated  for accuracy. 

Short term  there may be a difference  in comparison calculations depending on how full you fill the tank.  If you brim the tank until fuel is visible  you may add 2-3 litres more  than  those who stop when the forecourt pump first 'kicks back,'.  A particularly fast  forecourt pump can cause the pump to 'kick back' sooner,  before fuel has fully 'glugged down' from the filler neck into the tank  .A long rapid journey may affect this, as tanks can sometimes  get pressurised.   or is it a vacuum?  :-[
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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #740 on: August 22, 2025, 03:57:11 PM »
After 4699 miles since the first fill, I have bought 362 litres of fuel, giving 59 mpg. The fibometer says 60.9. I think that’s a fairly normal discrepancy, similar to my experience with two previous Jazzes.

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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #741 on: September 29, 2025, 07:21:39 AM »
Latest fill, lots of short journeys and start of cooler mornings, an early fill-up to meet expected motorway travel. Average remaining in the 54mpg regoin

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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #742 on: September 30, 2025, 08:28:38 PM »
Latest fill, lots of short journeys and start of cooler mornings, an early fill-up to meet expected motorway travel. Average remaining in the 54mpg regoin
My tip: Try to reduce cabin heat and rely more on heated seats/steering wheel (if available).

It makes a hell of a difference!


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« Reply #743 on: November 26, 2025, 10:27:01 AM »
One year completed from new in a Jazz elegance. 6787 miles of mixed driving and 522.5 litres of E10 bought, giving 13 miles/litre or 59 mpg. The meter in the car says 60.5 mpg, so not so far out. Yokohama blue earths 5.5mm front, 6.5mm rear.
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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #744 on: November 27, 2025, 12:43:37 PM »
I am now noticing a dramatic increase in gasoline consumption compared to spring/summer...
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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #745 on: November 27, 2025, 04:42:50 PM »
I am now noticing a dramatic increase in gasoline consumption compared to spring/summer...
I think the only way to minimise it is to wear a lot of clothes and turn the cabin temperature right down! You are probably also charging your battery to a higher level as the engine is running just to keep you warm.
“When I were a lad” cars didn’t have heaters - hence the car rug.
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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #746 on: November 27, 2025, 05:19:24 PM »
I found that the Jazz has the best fuel consumption on a longer route (without a stop) of about 10 km at a speed of up to 80 km/h. Short trips, even in the city, i.e. at a lower speed, do not bring fuel savings, on the contrary. And this of course worsens with lower temperatures.

It seems to me that consumption in the city during short trips is worse than when driving smoothly on the highway at about 110 km/h.
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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #747 on: November 27, 2025, 09:56:45 PM »
I am now noticing a dramatic increase in gasoline consumption compared to spring/summer...
I think the engine compartment is over-ventilated for winter conditions. It needs thermostatically-controlled shutters (or similar) which only open when the engine compartment gets hot. In winter urban conditions the engine only runs intermittently and strugges to reach an efficient operating temperature. Providing heating for the cabin doesn't help. I would have hoped that Honda would have addressed this as Japan gets cold in winter but the WLTP test cycle (designed by the manufacturers) involves no cold weather component.
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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #748 on: December 01, 2025, 08:41:44 PM »
Most of my journeys dont involve stop start urban traffic , so virtually all of my travel from a cold start involve the ICE running irrespective of summer or winter. My nearest town is 4 miles away . In this part of world traffic lights are rare, i travel through more level crossing than traffic light junctions ! The energy for winter driving does impact fuel by maybe 5-10 mpg as lights wipers heating rear screen mirrors etc all come from the fuel tank. So yes the engine bay could manage the heat loss better but 60% of the ICE fuel is lost as heat etc . But then a F1 hybrid engine only manages 50% efficiency . Toyota tried a hot water tank several years ago as part of their hybrid evolution but didnt adopt it . Whatever MPG my jazz returns its still a step above my similar sized 1.4 nissan note delivered and no doubt what mk 3 jazz owners achieved too ?

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Re: MPG for those interested
« Reply #749 on: December 02, 2025, 11:38:20 AM »
With a hybrid you have to average fuel consumption over the whole year.  Sometimes excellent in summer, sometimes less impressive in winter or when driven  hard or at high motorway speeds.  But IMO even at its worst  its still better than many ,if not most , conventional ICE cars under similar conditions. .  Personally I would still value its silence,ease of driving and excellent torque even if there were no fuel advantage. 

Even full EV cars  dont deliver their claimed range in cold  weather or at high speeds. 

I noticed that whenever the ICE runs  ,even if slowly and not under much load, it uses  petrol at the rate of  at least  5 litres/100 km ( 56 mpg) .  From a cold start in cold weather  it can be a long time before  the car is warm enough to stop the ICE and use EV mode so there is not much opportunity to improve  upon 56 mpg and worse.   

This is partly due to  extracting cabin heat from the ICE  and needing to generate more electrical power for extra fans, lights etc.    But a big factor is that the HV battery is less efficent when its cold so it takes longer to charge it enough to benefit from EV mode.   Some Hybrid manufacturers  chose to experiment with complex, expensive and heavy heating and cooling specifically for the HV battery to improve its efficency slightly, and maybe also engine compartment shutters as suggested by John Ratsey. 
I think Honda concluded that  extra weight and power consumption of these heaters largely offset any fuel efficiency gains and only gave  a marginal improvement in limited circumstances.   So the  Jazz relies on cabin heat to regulate  the HV battery. If the cabin is cool enough or warm enough for passenger comfort its  also adequate for the  HV battery .This  does have a small fan to circulate cabin air but no dedicated heating elements or air conditioning.    But using heated seats  rather  than extracting heat  from an ICE thats not yet reachedits full  operating temperature ,can be more fuel efficient for a while .     
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