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« Reply #1065 on: June 29, 2020, 08:22:35 PM »
Unfortunately, that is not within her remit.
Not according to what she said this lunchtime. Public health is a devolved issue, and as such, she can introduce measures such as quarantine for visitors to Scotland. She does not feel it is necessary at the moment.

I missed that. I was going by what she said on Andrew Marr show.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/27/nicola-sturgeon-suggests-closing-border-uk-lockdown-ends-prematurely-12616315/

but she could hardly close the Scotland/England border ---could she?
https://www.ideas.gov.scot/covid-19-a-framework-for-decision-making/close-the-scotland-england-border



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« Reply #1066 on: June 29, 2020, 10:54:10 PM »
but she could hardly close the Scotland/England border ---could she?
Doubt it. Send for Hadrian.

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« Reply #1067 on: June 30, 2020, 10:03:24 AM »
but she could hardly close the Scotland/England border ---could she?
Doubt it. Send for Hadrian.

She would need to if Scotland rejoined the EU, it will be a good test to sort out if it is practicable   :o

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« Reply #1068 on: June 30, 2020, 10:56:16 AM »
What's happening in Leicester? Is it the blueprint for what happens when a city goes back to near normality?

I fear we will see this happening elsewhere soon.

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« Reply #1069 on: June 30, 2020, 11:36:24 AM »
but she could hardly close the Scotland/England border ---could she?
Doubt it. Send for Hadrian.

She would need to if Scotland rejoined the EU, it will be a good test to sort out if it is practicable   :o

I was doubting that she would be allowed to do it by the UK government but If the UK government can isolate Leicester it would probably be physically easier for Scotland to isolate the rest of the UK. There's only 2 railways and a handful of roads.

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« Reply #1070 on: June 30, 2020, 11:41:15 AM »
What's happening in Leicester? Is it the blueprint for what happens when a city goes back to near normality?

I fear we will see this happening elsewhere soon.
I fear that there may already be other places in the same situation as Leicester but not yet sufficiently tested.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1071 on: June 30, 2020, 11:57:31 AM »
Tuesday ONS update.

The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 19 June 2020 (Week 25) was 9,339, this was 637 lower than Week 24.

In Week 25, the number of deaths registered was 0.7% below the five-year average (65 deaths fewer), this is the first time weekly deaths have been below the five-year average since Week 11; the number of deaths in care homes and hospitals were also fewer than the five-year average (49 and 782 deaths lower respectively), while the number of deaths at home was 827 higher than the five-year average.

Of the deaths registered in Week 25, 783 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", the lowest number of deaths involving COVID-19 in the last 12 weeks; accounting for 8.4% of all deaths in England and Wales.


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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1072 on: June 30, 2020, 02:02:22 PM »
I see there is a new form of "Swine" Flu identified in China. The new strain of flu that has the potential to become a pandemic has been identified by scientists. It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say. The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak. While it is not an immediate problem, they say, it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans and needs close monitoring. As it's new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.

Welcome to Armaggeddon II.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53218704

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1073 on: June 30, 2020, 02:59:08 PM »
What's happening in Leicester? Is it the blueprint for what happens when a city goes back to near normality?

I fear we will see this happening elsewhere soon.

Large BAME population in the former English city of Leicester - if a lot of them behave like the ones by us ( virtually ignoring distancing rules and floor direction arrows in shops and elsewhere ) no wonder there is an increase in infections, didn't they have large illegal gatherings for BLM demonstrations in Leicester ?
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« Reply #1074 on: June 30, 2020, 03:26:48 PM »
I see that my question about quarantine at the Scottish border is now being openly discussed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53237271 . Closing down the border to all except essential travellers is relatively easy to do (at least for road and air travellers but would anyone travelling by train have to get off at the border, verify that their journey is essential and then get on again?). Scots will have the freedom of their own country so that they can patronise the local tourism industry - any foreign trips will result in quarantine upon return.

That the ONS is now reporting deaths to be below average comes as no surprise to me. The virus has brought forward the departure of some of those in the waiting room for their trip to the next world so there are fewer remaining. (In a similar fashion, women feature more strongly in the over-90s deaths as the men have already gone).

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1075 on: June 30, 2020, 10:20:33 PM »
didn't they have large illegal gatherings for BLM demonstrations in Leicester ?

I don't know, but there were two large illegal anti-lockdown gatherings in May.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1076 on: June 30, 2020, 11:16:09 PM »
I see that my question about quarantine at the Scottish border is now being openly discussed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53237271 .
With a bit of better leadership and clear messaging the UK could have been in a similar position to Scotland with regard to rate of infections and there would have been no need for a quarantine at the border.
However the UK government has ignored help and advice from
Devolved parliaments
Opposition parties
Scientists
Doctors
WHO (Test ,test test)
EU (procurement of PPE
Teachers (re-opening schools)
IT specialists (phone app)
Local Authorities (track and trace)
Police Chiefs (crowd control)
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2247462-scotland-could-eliminate-the-coronavirus-if-it-werent-for-england/?utm_campaign=onesignal&utm_medium=alert&utm_source=editorial

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1077 on: July 01, 2020, 02:04:51 PM »
Despite all the hype in the newspapers south of the border, Nicola has once again made it clear that she has no plans to quarantine visitors from England. However, she has said that if there were a danger of the virus coming into Scotland from elsewhere in the UK or indeed Internationally she would not take such an action off the table. Just as New York has done with southern states in the US, as Germany has done between Landers and as Australia has done between states there. I am sure that England would quarantine visitors from Scotland if the virus got out of control here.
And that is despite, after ten days with no cases, Dumfries and Galloway have a cluster of five linked to an outbreak in north-west England, and despite an issue at RAF Lossiemouth with English contractors (very much played down on today's Update). Me, I'd build Trump's wall, virus or no virus.  :D

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1078 on: July 01, 2020, 03:11:53 PM »
DMe, I'd build Trump's wall, virus or no virus.  :D

There are not many Mexicans in England..

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1079 on: July 01, 2020, 05:09:49 PM »
What's happening in Leicester? Is it the blueprint for what happens when a city goes back to near normality?

I fear we will see this happening elsewhere soon.

A couple of good articles on Leicester situation here.
Only the pillar-one testing is used in PHE’s online coronavirus dashboard, meaning that the majority of cases in the worst-hit areas are being left off this data. This data did not show that as far back as the week beginning 1 June, PHE knew Leicester was among the two worst affected areas in England.
https://www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a317-4950-a75b-8e66933d423a
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-uk-deaths-fall-below-five-year-average/

Testing and tracing and communication leave a lot to be desired.

Barnsley Bradford Rochdale Doncaster -------? Boris might have to whack a few moles?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/01/data-reveals-coronavirus-hotspots-in-bradford-barnsley-and-rochdale
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