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smilertoo

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CVT vs Manual
« on: January 11, 2019, 04:00:20 PM »
Hi, im looking to upgrade my Mkl1 2004 to a Mk2 2010+. Would i lose anything picking a CVT this time? more expensive to maintain/repair/run etc?

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2019, 04:45:50 PM »
Have you tried a CVT? There are many on here that who rave about them and think they are the bees knees. I tried a CVT and, despite driving automatics for years, found it too "fussy". Some people love them, others hate them

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2019, 04:55:01 PM »
I tried a cvt toyota yaris hybrid, i quite liked it and would have moved to one of those if they werent so small.
* It's the only auto i've ever driven so i dont know what you mean about fussy, was like driving a toy...press and go.
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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 05:15:06 PM »
I have a 61 plate CVT Jazz.
The gear box works great.in D.approx 2Krpm at 70mph.Real lazy drive. Put it in S.and use paddles .it goes like  a rocket.
Even normal D. It goes well.the kickdown is quick and quiet.

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 06:12:33 PM »
All the automatics I have ever driven are "press and go". By "fussy" I was referring to the initial high revs. To someone who seldom exceeds 3,000 rpm I found it annoying. But I agree that many people love them. I prefer a "conventional" automatic.

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 06:45:03 PM »
Hi, im looking to upgrade my Mkl1 2004 to a Mk2 2010+. Would i lose anything picking a CVT this time? more expensive to maintain/repair/run etc?

You should  be advised that the Jazz did not have a CVT gearbox from late 2008 to early 2011. It had a self changing manual gearbox called the iShift which was not popular. The CVT was reintroduced with the facelift model in early 2011.

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 07:20:53 PM »
Hi, im looking to upgrade my Mkl1 2004 to a Mk2 2010+. Would i lose anything picking a CVT this time? more expensive to maintain/repair/run etc?

You should  be advised that the Jazz did not have a CVT gearbox from late 2008 to early 2011. It had a self changing manual gearbox called the iShift which was not popular. The CVT was reintroduced with the facelift model in early 2011.

Vic.

Other car makers had equivalent of I-shift and had problems, looks like Honda effort was one of the better ones. Many problems to do with biting point and repeatability of power take up. If car makers had used a magnetic powder clutch in their designs they may have been more successful, the powder clutch on my wife's punto cvt was the best part of the car.
Some people will only consider you an expert if they agree with your point of view or advice,  when you give them advice they don't like they consider you an idiot

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 08:42:56 PM »
I have one of the first 2012 CVT Jazz's, it was registered at the end of May 2011.
I've had it since the end of November 2012 and I love it, even though the original need for it has now gone, I find it such a useful vehicle that I can't really find a reason to change it!
As some one has stated it's turning 2250 rpm at 70mph, which is part of the reason I chose the CVT.
2011 1.4 EX CVT in Metalic Mushroom (Urban Titanium).

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 09:49:52 PM »
Yes - as Defender says - the leisurely cruise at 70 mph makes it a very relaxing drive on longer journeys. I'm used to small petrol cars doing about 3500 rpm at 70 so the just over 2000 rpm at 70 makes for a very quiet cruise.

I was sceptical about the CVT but I am a convert!

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 09:56:20 PM »
CVT sounds ok, does anyone know if those giant sunroofs let in noise or are easy for vandals to break? I see a lot of 2nd hand Jazz's with them.

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 10:20:26 PM »
The potentially annoying aspect of the CVT is, when you push hard on the accelerator, the delay between the engine accelerating and the vehicle accelerating (a bit like pulling something along on a bit of elastic). This is by design as it's to get the engine up to the appropriate speed to deliver the power. This is very noticeable on the Mk 3 where the engine has to get out of its more efficient, but low torque, Atkinson cycle mode but less noticeable on the Mk. 2. In other respects the CVT is smooth and generally very reliable.

Something to check for is that the CVT fluid has been changed every two years. The handbook may show it as every four years but Honda have changed the recommendation to two years after the clutch judder problems on older vehicles due to the build-up of deposits in the transmission.

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 10:46:51 PM »
CVT sounds ok, does anyone know if those giant sunroofs let in noise or are easy for vandals to break? I see a lot of 2nd hand Jazz's with them.
Large sunroof no problems
Just wear Sun glasses

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2019, 11:04:16 PM »
I've had both a Jazz Mk1 CVT and now a Jazz Mk2 manual. I liked the CVT but you have to learn how to drive them to avoid the "rubber band effect" of the engine racing and the car's acceleration catching up. However, under normal driving the CVT is very efficient and effective. I must say though, I do like the manual gearbox on my Mk2 - the CVT is a little more fuel-efficient though, which is good for an automatic, where the opposite is usually true. I averaged about 46mpg in my old CVT and get about the same in my Mk2 manual. Hope that helps.

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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2019, 11:30:52 PM »
Hi, i'm not worried about letting in light throug the sunroof, it just looks like it would be VERY expensive to replace. It's not just bent windscreen glass is it?

*nm...google has pointed out various problems with them ranging from excess heat in summer to being a weakness like i thought they must be.
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Re: CVT vs Manual
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2019, 12:39:54 PM »
excess heat in summer

It comes with a sun blind! Open, it makes a car interior bright and airy on overcast/ bright days. Closed, it screens the interior from the sun's direct rays on bright hot days so there is no excess heat. I doubt if it is any more expensive than repairing a damaged roof. So I won't worry unduly.




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