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Lewo

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Correct Oil Filter Tool?
« on: September 29, 2018, 09:44:42 AM »
About to do first oil change on the Jazz next week.

Just checking this is the right gadget to help?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-FOR-HONDA-OIL-FILTER-REMOVAL-TOOL/202362534837?hash=item2f1dbf3bb5:g:piEAAOSwYdtbQASK

Also going to get the filter from these guys, assume they are legit and not fakes...??!!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Honda-Oil-Filter-Washer-CIVIC-ACCORD-CRV-JAZZ-FRV-CRZ-FRV-Petrol/321147246626?epid=10017008460&hash=item4ac5de1822:g:0csAAOSwOhNa8qfp

Oh and main dealer wants 5odd for new sump plug and washer, does that sound right? Should I get one just in case there's a problem taking the old one out or just hope the new washer will do the job?

Sorry a few stupid questions there maybe.....  :-[

Thanks.


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Re: Correct Oil Filter Tool?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2018, 10:11:49 AM »
About to do first oil change on the Jazz next week.

Just checking this is the right gadget to help?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-FOR-HONDA-OIL-FILTER-REMOVAL-TOOL/202362534837?hash=item2f1dbf3bb5:g:piEAAOSwYdtbQASK

Also going to get the filter from these guys, assume they are legit and not fakes...??!!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Honda-Oil-Filter-Washer-CIVIC-ACCORD-CRV-JAZZ-FRV-CRZ-FRV-Petrol/321147246626?epid=10017008460&hash=item4ac5de1822:g:0csAAOSwOhNa8qfp

Oh and main dealer wants 5odd for new sump plug and washer, does that sound right? Should I get one just in case there's a problem taking the old one out or just hope the new washer will do the job?

Sorry a few stupid questions there maybe.....  :-[

Thanks.



you can get genuine Honda filter and washer from cox motor parts for less than 11 so why risk it ?  Honda oil filters are pretty universal and Jazz one has stayed the same from MK1 to MK3 and the same filter fits the Civic and other models.  Sump plug may be a bit tight but remember it is a RH thread (same as 99% of other bolts and screws,  so anticlockwise to loosen,  and do not overtighten it when refitting it,  you could get a vacuum device to suck oil out through dipstick hole if you are in any doubt about removing the sump plug - get the engine hot in any case as this will make both the oil and the sump plug easier to remove easily.

https://www.coxmotorparts.co.uk/honda-shop/genuine-honda-jazz-oil-filter-sump-washer-2002-2008/

https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=10405.msg64016#msg64016

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-Manual-Vacuum-Fluid-Extractor/dp/B000WZF74M?th=1

this sealey one has a couple of different diameter probes for dipstick hole.... I am going to get me one before next oil change ( NOTE - just ordered one,  arriving next Tuesday )  will be useful for lawn mower (does not have a drain plug so you have to turn it upside down to get old oil out - very messy) and maybe even for motorbike as drain plug is a PITA to get to, but filter is easy to remove).

Also Opie oils do a lot of good quality oil and air / cabin filters  ( and oil of course )

that filter removal tool looks ok,  I have one made by Laser ( Sheffield ) with a 1/2" square hole in the end for a socket wrench.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2018, 10:58:06 AM by culzean »
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Lewo

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Re: Correct Oil Filter Tool?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2018, 12:14:09 PM »
Thanks culzean,
Lots of good info there.
I doubt I'll go for the vacuum tool though.
The link for the oil filter was for a genuine one or it's saying it is.....
I think I saw the laser tool on EBay as well but I couldn't work out from the picture how it connected so thanks for that.

On a side note the dealer quoted 53 for the 8 plugs and they were 21 for NGK from a factors.....

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Re: Correct Oil Filter Tool?
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2018, 12:50:49 AM »
I did the Oil, Coolant and plugs on my Jazz a few weeks ago after picking it up.

I bought the original Honda filter which came with the Sump plug washer. Double check the direction you're trying to unscrew the sump plug. I was slightly confused at first because from the front of the car you're accessing the bolt from behind. When I removed my bolt I found there wasn't a washer fitted for some reason. I installed the Honda one and it's been fine so far.

I also bought the original NGK plugs cheaply online. I had to use one of those rotating elbow joints (not sure the proper name?) to access the rear plugs. I also had to unclip the harness at the rear to gain access. I used a torque wrench to spec.

For the coolant I again bought the original Honda (type 2?) coolant. It matched the colour of the stuff already in which I assume was the original coolant. I did buy the washer for the engine block, but when I realised the undertray would need to be removed I decided to only drain from the radiator (there's a hole in the tray for this). Probably only got 1/3 of the coolant out this way. I'll probably have another go and change another 1/3 soon.

Because of all the stories of gearbox bearing fails I will probably do the gearbox oil next as a precautionary measure.

I think possibly the valve clearances need checking too as I can hear a tapping with the engine speed until it warms up.

Otherwise the car seems to be running great. The first couple services were Honda then it's been to various 'back street garages' so I assume it's only seen Oil changes for the last 10 years.

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Re: Correct Oil Filter Tool?
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2018, 06:50:35 AM »
then it's been to various 'back street garages' so I assume it's only seen Oil changes for the last 10 years.
I don't know why you would assume that. From what has been reported here and elsewhere, the last 10 years of servicing have probably been of as high or higher standard of service than the dealer provided.
My experience of back street garages is that they are very good. I used to deliver parts to them and service kits were bought and parts were seldom returned (if returned, usually the entire kit, as the customer had cancelled or not shown up).
I originally worked out of the Honda main dealer, but we also supplied parts for other marques.

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Re: Correct Oil Filter Tool?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2018, 08:04:01 AM »
My previous experience is that if you go to a (non dealer or specialist) garage and ask for a service you get an oil change, and maybe an air filter if you're lucky.

The other scheduled items, for example valve adjustments, coolant change, cabin filter, even spark plugs all get skipped unless the owner specifically asks for them.

Your average garage will not know the service schedule of every vehicle, and they never ask ahead when you book what is required or ask info about mileage and previous services so they can look it up. They just book you in, and when you turn up for a 'service' you get an oil change and sent on your way.

My service book has lots of stamps but there aren't any annotations in the box or ticks to suggest that scheduled service has been carried out. I make the assumption it hasn't, which is why I'm working through all the serviceble items. The spark plugs were well worn and the cabin filter I'm pretty sure had never been changed.

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Re: Correct Oil Filter Tool?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2018, 09:14:35 AM »
My previous experience is that if you go to a (non dealer or specialist) garage and ask for a service you get an oil change, and maybe an air filter if you're lucky.

The other scheduled items, for example valve adjustments, coolant change, cabin filter, even spark plugs all get skipped unless the owner specifically asks for them.

Your average garage will not know the service schedule of every vehicle, and they never ask ahead when you book what is required or ask info about mileage and previous services so they can look it up. They just book you in, and when you turn up for a 'service' you get an oil change and sent on your way.

My service book has lots of stamps but there aren't any annotations in the box or ticks to suggest that scheduled service has been carried out. I make the assumption it hasn't, which is why I'm working through all the serviceble items. The spark plugs were well worn and the cabin filter I'm pretty sure had never been changed.

You seem to have a very trusting and starry eyed view of dealer services.  There are tales on here of people that have put their car (GD I-DSi which was supposed to be every 25K,  our Jazzes did 5 x that and tappets never touched) in specifically for a tappet check / adjustment and as a precaution have put dirt on the screws that would need to be undone to do the job,  car came back with dirt untouched - but they were charged the 300+ and outside of the car had been cleaned.  I myself have bought 2 and 3 year old cars from main dealers and when I came to change the oil the filter was red rusty on the outside, also the air and cabin filters were black coal (and original factory Japanese ones).

If you get a relationship with with a independent garage you will have good service,  and they have databases to look up what needs doing on every car.

You pay through the nose for dealer service and normally get the car cleaned and a cup of machine coffee,  the rest of your hard earned money ( 80 and hour and climbing) goes towards the overheads of their nice shiny showroom and extra un-productive staff you can see sitting and walking around with a piece of paper in their hand.  The easiest thing for a dealer is to bring the stamps in service book up to date in any car they get traded in, and tick a few boxes.

My wife had a Fiat Punto CVT a few years ago and it started playing up,  sometimes would not take up the drive when pulling away (or trying to anyway LOL) - the dealer had the car for 3 weeks and replaced ECU (moaned about the 1500 but it did not fix the problem) - when car came back it still had the fault as well as some empty coffee cups and plastic bottles in the rear.   I then took car to local garage and described the fault to them,  he called his mechanic in and relayed my story,  straight away the mechanic said 'that will be the switch on the brake pedal playing up'  he ordered one and I took the car back a few days later,  charged me 15-00 including fitting - car was perfect after (well as good as a Fiat is ever going to be). 
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Re: Correct Oil Filter Tool?
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2018, 09:38:29 AM »
If you go to an independent garage you have to tell them what you want done. Most people just want an oil and filter change, so if you want more you tell then what you want done. If you want the major service you tell them that when you make a booking. They will normally give you a ball park figure for price, and order the parts in for your job. That was the parts I used to deliver.

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