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gtd2000

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Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« on: June 03, 2018, 03:40:49 PM »
The handbrake on the car is pretty pathetic to be fair, always need to leave it in gear and won't hold on anything but the slightest of gradients. Still put the car in 1st gear anyway.

Managed to pass the MoT earlier this year without any advisory comments as well. The test requirement must be pretty low?

Thought I'd have a look at the back brakes yesterday with a view to adjusting the handbrake.

Got the rear wheels off and on both sides the pads were not moving (AT ALL) in the slides. Caliper slides were nice and fluid and the piston rotated freely enough for me to be happy with them but did a bit of a clean up and re-assembled.

Had to knock out the pads, then file off a small amount of metal to allow them to slip in and have some actual movement in the sliders.

If the rain stops, I'll be back out this afternoon or evening to remove the centre console and get that handbrake cable adjusted.

Our old '02, with the drum brakes, never had any issues at all with the handbrake...hmm.


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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2018, 04:06:52 PM »
The handbrake on the car is pretty pathetic to be fair, always need to leave it in gear and won't hold on anything but the slightest of gradients. Still put the car in 1st gear anyway.

Managed to pass the MoT earlier this year without any advisory comments as well. The test requirement must be pretty low?

Thought I'd have a look at the back brakes yesterday with a view to adjusting the handbrake.

Got the rear wheels off and on both sides the pads were not moving (AT ALL) in the slides. Caliper slides were nice and fluid and the piston rotated freely enough for me to be happy with them but did a bit of a clean up and re-assembled.

Had to knock out the pads, then file off a small amount of metal to allow them to slip in and have some actual movement in the sliders.

If the rain stops, I'll be back out this afternoon or evening to remove the centre console and get that handbrake cable adjusted.

Our old '02, with the drum brakes, never had any issues at all with the handbrake...hmm.

The pad 'ears' are always tight in their slots,  I file them when I get new pads to make sure they have a bit of clearance (at least a mm to prevent future corrosion causing binding ).

I have never had a problem with rear drums either,  except to maybe replace the shoes at around 100,000 miles. Never had insides of drums go rusty, never had shoes stick to drums - hmmmm just about covers it,  whos barmy idea was it to fit rear discs to small cars  :-X
« Last Edit: June 03, 2018, 04:08:27 PM by culzean »
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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2018, 05:20:59 PM »
The handbrake on the car is pretty pathetic to be fair, always need to leave it in gear and won't hold on anything but the slightest of gradients.
The dealer who sold me my Jazz was an ex Honda mechanic. He warned me about the handbrake on the Jazz and told me to apply and hold the footbrake as I apply the handbrake. I always do that, and I have not come across a hill, however steep, where the handbrake won't hold. Probably what the MOT tester did. I still leave the car in gear every time I park. A habit of a lifetime.

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2018, 02:29:59 PM »
Just had my MOT today and my handbrake passed, no problem. Pass value is 16% and it was 26% (50% is a footbrake pass).

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2018, 03:32:04 PM »
Thanks Jocko, Just tried this and now handbrake Works. Was about to take it into the garage. No need.

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2018, 04:03:22 PM »
bah this bloody car is a money pit, got a screw removed from tyre this morning and was told rear discs/pads are corroded and will probably fail next MOT. took it to a steep hill to test handbrake as described in this thread and the car does indeed roll back  :(

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2018, 09:43:54 PM »
My car (1.4 SE cvt) tries to creep forward with the handbrake on so I usually press the footbrake then apply the handbrake usually does the job, but reading this post I think I will check the pads and clean the pad location lugs and sliders in time for winter.

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2018, 11:28:13 AM »
Just got rear discs and pads changed...and the car still rolls back on the steep hill i test it on; it must be the cable that's faulty.

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2018, 03:51:37 PM »
I have read several adverse comments on here about the inefficiency of the Jazz handbrake. I am on my fifth Jazz all of which have had satisfactory handbrakes that would hold on quite steep slopes. They do require a strong pull though.

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2018, 04:05:58 PM »
I have only had this one Jazz but the handbrake has been great. The car has done over 105,000 miles and in the last 2 years has required no brake maintenance, other than cleaning and greasing a couple of brake pipes.

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2018, 01:21:17 PM »
Do you park in gear on hills?

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2018, 01:40:29 PM »
I never leave the car without putting it in gear. Even in my garage.

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2018, 01:52:43 PM »
My car (1.4 SE cvt) tries to creep forward with the handbrake on so I usually press the footbrake then apply the handbrake usually does the job, but reading this post I think I will check the pads and clean the pad location lugs and sliders in time for winter.

Make sure you remove the pad tab anti rattle shims and clean the areas under them scrupulously use a flat scraper and a wire brush to remove the corrosion which builds up. Don't be afraid to scrape, you need to get back to clean metal. Clean and refit the shims, a smear of brake or copper grease, and the pads will slide in easy.

Another thing to check on these rear disc handbrakes with the internal auto adjusters is to make sure that the lever on the caliper returns freely and fully when released. If they don't, this could indicate that the adjuster mechanism or caliper piston seizing, and this in turn can interfere with the auto adjuster, reducing the handbrake's effectiveness.

I park on a steep hill when I go to my parent's and I don't have a problem, but the Jazz handbrake is not the best. As Jocko says, push the brake pedal as you pull on the handbrake and it should hold anywhere. I always leave any manual car in gear when parked, but the Jazz handbrake should hold.

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Re: Back Brake & Handbrake on 2007 1.4SE.
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2018, 10:05:56 PM »
Well I'm going to be having another go at the handbrake again this week, possibly on Friday if the weather is OK.

Curiously, I always have my foot on the brake when parking the car and applying the handbrake - there's not really any other way to do it smoothly, if you are parking on an incline, surely?

I also need to replace the driver side drop link - hell of a clunking when driving on uneven road surfaces and that's probably about 80% of the roads in South East Scotland!!!  :o

Also need to have another look at the boot as I think water is still getting in - the 2002 Jazz was fixed first time!

Great little cars these Honda's :D


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