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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2018, 04:51:42 PM »
I recall fitting a brake servo on my 1960 Beetle - great improvement especially when I replace the 1198 cc motor  with a 1500 out of a scrapped van.

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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2018, 06:43:04 PM »
Thanks for the further posts.

The discs may well be fine, but I'm mindful of the low mileage of the car (13k in 5 years) and the likelihood that its been standing for long periods under previous ownership. So the rust may not be confined to the exterior disc faces and therefore isn't being removed when the brakes are used.

Therefore I will replace the fronts this year, but maybe leave the rears still next, given that I do have paperwork that at least suggests those rears were replaced a year ago.

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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2018, 08:59:31 PM »
So the rust may not be confined to the exterior disc faces and therefore isn't being removed when the brakes are used.
This can happen on ventilated discs, but solid discs only rust on the surface, so the rears should be okay.

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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2018, 06:15:19 PM »
Returned to this old thread because I've actually made enquiries about the cost of the parts in preparation for doing the job. I usually opt for Mintex or Pagid, but some temporary cashflow problems have obliged me to look for a cheaper alternative.

My local parts supplier does ADL pads and National discs, and when I said that I'd never heard of either brand, they assured me that they've had no negative feedback. I wondered whether any forum users have ever fitted them, and how they'd rate the quality?

A full set of National front discs and ADL pads is £76.30 inc VAT.


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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2018, 07:41:19 PM »
Returned to this old thread because I've actually made enquiries about the cost of the parts in preparation for doing the job. I usually opt for Mintex or Pagid, but some temporary cashflow problems have obliged me to look for a cheaper alternative.

My local parts supplier does ADL pads and National discs, and when I said that I'd never heard of either brand, they assured me that they've had no negative feedback. I wondered whether any forum users have ever fitted them, and how they'd rate the quality?

A full set of National front discs and ADL pads is £76.30 inc VAT.

I used to have a motor factor company and we used to sell both brands, never having a problem with either of them. ADL Blueprint are part of the Bilstein group,(of shock absorber fame), and specialise in parts for Japanese and Korean vehicles.
National Auto Parts are a British company based in Derbyshire and specialise in Brake and Clutch parts.

http://www.national-auto.co.uk/brake_products/brake_product_range.aspx

https://www.blue-print.de/home/
« Last Edit: May 27, 2018, 07:55:47 PM by davegreen55 »

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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2018, 04:48:42 PM »
Hi,

Just to add my experience Iíve been very happy with ADL Blueprint discs and pads. Have used them three times.

I was first introduced to them by an independent garage who serviced our old GD Jazz. At 86000 miles when the front pads and discs were replaced and we sold the car at 111,000 miles. No issues at all.

Have replaced the rear discs and pads  on our 2010 Jazz at 38000 (early I know for rears but they weíre very rusty - donít know what previous owner did or lived).

Just replaced front pads and discs at 58000 and still very happy with them.

You can often pick them up cheaply off EBay.

In practice I doubt youíll tell the difference from the genuine ones.

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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2018, 08:39:56 PM »
Just a word of warning with regards to 'ADL' whilst they claim to have the most accurate database I have had two occasions where the parts ordered and double checked turned out to be the wrong ones...........

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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2018, 12:20:43 PM »
Thanks for that further information about ADL and National.

I've actually bought both Mintex discs and pads, because I've used them many times before and except on one occasion when a set of new Mintex pads insisted on squealing horribly until I was forced to change them again, have always been happy with the product. Additionally I was able to get them for a very good price on an online auction site rather than using motor factors.

One further question, and its about the brake securing screws. Is it absolutely necessary to replace them when changing the discs? Usually the wheel holds the discs in place and securing screws are unnecessary.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2018, 12:22:17 PM by desthemoaner »

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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2018, 12:33:06 PM »
The only time I have changed disc holding screws are if the heads are damaged due to previous botched attempts to remove.

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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2018, 12:46:31 PM »
Thanks for that further information about ADL and National.

I've actually bought both Mintex discs and pads, because I've used them many times before and except on one occasion when a set of new Mintex pads insisted on squealing horribly until I was forced to change them again, have always been happy with the product. Additionally I was able to get them for a very good price on an online auction site rather than using motor factors.

One further question, and its about the brake securing screws. Is it absolutely necessary to replace them when changing the discs? Usually the wheel holds the discs in place and securing screws are unnecessary.

If screw heads were too damaged and I did not have new ones I would happily assemble discs without them. The only reason I can see that they are there is to temporarily hold the disc in place while caliper is removed,  after that they have 4 x 12mm UNF studs holding the wheel and disc in place.  I normally put copper grease on the thread and countersink of the screws, but even so some of the thread pokes through the mounting flange and is liable to corrode,  making screws hard to remove next time, even with an impact driver.   

One tip I found with an impact driver is to put the bit into the head of screw and twist the body of driver the way the screw needs to go (anti-clockwise to undo - clockwise to tighten - but I never use the driver to tighten disc screws, just put them in hand tight) the driver will automatically click round to the correct position (normally marked L and R on the driver, which can be hard to figure), now keep the driver under tension and whack the end with a decent size hammer.
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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2018, 02:32:02 PM »
Many thanks again.
If I can get the original screws off without seriously damaging the heads, I'll reuse them. If not I'll rely on the rest of the assembly to hold the new discs in place.

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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2018, 03:11:30 PM »
Many thanks again.
If I can get the original screws off without seriously damaging the heads, I'll reuse them. If not I'll rely on the rest of the assembly to hold the new discs in place.

I doubt you will get screws out without an impact driver, the large contact  area of the countersunk screw head combined with corrosion of thread makes it hard to turn the screw.  I have just fitted new front discs and pads to both our cars and even with impact driver I had to resort to trying to tighten the screws before reversing the driver to slacken them.

Without the impact driver you will definitely wreck the head of the screw and then you have no option but to carefully drill the screw.

Halfords do a good quality impact driver and bit set for £18, I have had one for about 15 years and it still works fine even though I regularly hit it with a four pound lump hammer.

http://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/tools/hand-tools/halfords-advanced--impact-driver-bits?cm_mmc=Google+PLA-_-Tools-_-Hand+Tools-_-178172&istCompanyId=b8708c57-7a02-4cf6-b2c0-dc36b54a327e&istItemId=qqwtrraix&istBid=tzta&
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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2018, 12:33:40 AM »
hi please see my recent detailed post regarding from and rear pad and disc replacement if  if you cannot remove the discs screws by almeans's try an impact wrench if not use a pin punch to  punch the screw around in an anti clockwise direction the screws i had were fitted at the swindon factory and had a blob of blue thread lock on them bit of a pig to release get new ones on e bay 6 mm csk  i got all mine out this way and when replacing them just gave a sear of coppaslip for next time, still would fit them back as it can be a bit of a nuisance to assemble everything back just makes it easier and dont forget to grease your slider pins with high temp grease NOT COPASLIP!!!, also front pistons push back rears turn back hope this helps a very easy job to do good luck
ps used pagid discs and pads all round superb!!!!!

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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2018, 10:12:30 AM »
Thanks again, both.
 
Given that they are much cheaper than I expected, I'll definitely invest in an impact driver before starting the job. I might try to reuse the screws or even leave them off, given that with most cars the discs are held on by the wheels and brake assembly.

Note taken of the need for high temp grease on the sliders rather than Copaslip also, thank you.

Just waiting for the window of a whole day when I can start the job and finish it in time to do other stuff, and off I jolly well pop.

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Re: Jazz discs and pads
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2018, 10:31:27 AM »
I wouldn't use ordinary High Temperature Grease on the sliders as grease will affect the rubber bellows. there is a proper brake grease for that. Last time I did the discs (I'm rather into overkill on brakes) I managed to snap the bit that fits into the impact driver. I had another bit and that released the screw but they were very tight. I just coppa-slip the screws and wind them in hand tight using the impact driver. Last MOT the mechanic returned the car to me (he was the foreman covering the holidaying MOT Tester) wanted to know who serviced my car because of the mechanical condition and quietness of the engine. 2013 and 80,000 miles (76,000) by me. The receptionist joked that they never make any money from me! Not had an advisory so far and long may it last. I wasn't too happy last weekend, somebody no doubt returning from the pub threw a pint guinness glass against the car not denting the bodywork but embedding glass into the paint over a nine or ten inch area. I wasn't a happy bunny!

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