Honda vs Toyota warranty.

[Westy36]

Sadly, one day, our trusty, very brilliant super reliable and practical MK2 Jazz will need to be replaced. With that in mind, we are now considering what we might replace it with? We are obviously looking at Honda and Toyota. Considering in detail the warranty, as one should, I note that Honda are not as generous as Toyota. The Honda IMA system is warrented for only "5 years or 90,000 miles, whichever comes first, for 11YM onwards Civic Hybrid, CR-Z, Insight, Jazz and CR-V Hybrid." Whereas Toyota say "in addition to the manufacturer warranty, your Toyota Hybrid battery can benefit from up to 15 years of warranty in total. With every service at a Toyota dealer, the warranty is extended for a further 12 months, up to the 15th year of registration." which is fantastic!

I am a genuine Honda fan, having had many bikes and a couple of Honda cars, however their warranty is 1/3rd of the Toyota warranty!!  Sacre bleu mon amis! What to do for the long term........?

https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/maintaining-your-honda/warranties-guarantees/warranty.html

https://www.toyota.co.uk/owners/toyota-warranty

I trust Honda tech, period. However, their warranty doesn't inspire as much confidence as their competitors. Makes me err towards a very late MK3 Jazz or HRV petrol n/a non hybrid if we buy another brilliant Honda. However, Toyota, 15yrs? Buying used at 3 or 4 yrs as we probably will, and Toyota offers a decade of warranty??? Hmmmmm

[richardfrost]

Be aware of what the warranty covers.  Two tears ago, when my RAV4 was six years old, my dealer failed the car's MOT for the two trailing arm bushes, and then held the car ransom until they were replaced. At six years old, I was told they were not under warranty. Being placed under the high voltage battery, replacing the, was a very expensive job.

[Westy36]

Thanks richardfrost. That doesn't sound like a nice experience at all, and is certainly food for thought. Warranty research to be done!

[richardfrost]

Thanks richardfrost. That doesn't sound like a nice experience at all, and is certainly food for thought. Warranty research to be done!

Well on the car is now 8 years old and other than that issue, everything else is fine. The car has been great. Prior to this the longest I kept a car was 4 years and that was because it was a company car. I can highly recommend Toyota.

I'm looking at Honda Jazz, Toyota something, Dacia Duster or a Suzuki something for my next vehicle. Suzuki seem to have a relationship with Toyota, their Acros is a badge engineered RAV4. I’m looking at their smaller cars like the SX.

[jasonevans]

I had a Toyota Auris hybrid and the Hydrid inverter failed at 82k miles.  the car was a 10 year old car and was self-serviced so I had to get it repaired myself.  Cost me £850 in total .  Also, had the catalitic converter stolen from car at night as well, which again cost about £500 to replace . . Basically , everything I saved in fuel that year went on the repairs.   I've since sold the car and gone back to a MK3 jazz.  I don't know if I was unlucky or what . 

I found that the Jazz is a bit more bumpy on uneven roads and seats not quite as comfortable on a long journey but its just a petrol model so less to go wrong hopefully.  Considering my prevoius MK1 I has is now gone on to over 201k and still running ( sold to a friend of mine ) that was one of the main reasons I came back to a Jazz.

[Kenneve]

Whilst the details of any warranty are important.
Would you really drive a car, which you consider to be inferior, in terms of comfort, driveability etc, maybe for years, simply because the warranty details are, in your view better?

[Westy36]

You've all raised some really good points and things to consider, thank you for your input it is appreciated. 

I keep mulling this over, and certainly the warranty and requirement to service at main dealer rates. Given that I like, not have, to save every penny I have always done as much DIY servicing as poss. Toyota warranty....hmmm. It always was the case years ago, first 3-5 yrs main dealer for warranty and residual values sake, and thereafter any garage will be fine, but to experience being held to ransom at top whack rates and parts prices does certainly reframe things.

You know when you are considering a car or first buy one, you suddenly start seeing them everywhere. Well the HRV is actaully not that rare in Norfolk and the MK4 Jazz I spot quite often. The Mk3 is a common sight and a design that I like. The 1.5 Sport however is rare and a fantastic sporty looking car that adds a very interesting option, especially in the blue that UKJim has on the forum. 

Road tests need to happen next to see what we reckon and take it from there.  I think it is prudent to know exactly what to replace our brilliant wee Jazz with and have the decision made. This will avoid a rapid decision at point of need, such as being written off or massive MOT failure, and buying the wrong car that could prove to be a very expensive mistake. Fail to prepare as they say.........

[John Ratsey]

I would note that the Honda IMA hybrid system mentioned in the first post is that used in the hybrid version of the Mk 2 Jazz. The current hybrid system is e:HEV and has an even less generous warranty eg https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/jazz-hybrid/overview.html "You also get added peace of mind with our 5-year/90,000 miles hybrid battery warranty.".

Excluding the brake simulator failures, the Mk 4 Jazz has good reliability and I would strongly recommend that you try a Mk 4 Jazz as well as the Mk 3. It provides a much more relaxed driving experience.

[Westy36]

We certainly plan to try the mk4 John. The forum tells me that brake simulator aside, Honda are still building very reliable motors. I do wish they would just a recall done and stop all the concern and anxiety for owners. Reading and watching mk4 reviews tell me that the ride comfort and refinement are greatly improved, and performance is really good. I had a wee sit in a MK4 about a yr ago at our local Honda dealer and thought it was a very nice place to be, indeed rather posh. Still as practical as ever, which is great, all the hallmark excellent Jazz design traits.

I am still so impressed with our MK2 even after 4yrs and near 65k. The little thing is just so practical and well designed. I love the driving position, handling is surprisingly good and economy and reliability are first class. It really is so much more car than it looks and reputation suggests. Seats are all day comfort as an 8hr Autobahn trip this year proved yet again. Refinement and a harsh-ish ride are the only downsides for me. I would recommend the mk2 to all, and this really does make me convinced another Honda would be a very wise buy. But the Corolla reviews and MPG can't be dismissed as they are extremely good and Toyota is certainly a solid brand.

I've friends that look at all sorts of brands and models and agonise over their new purchase. Our list is just two brands, simple.

 

[Kenneve]

I can certainly recommend the Mk4 from the MPG point of view. I’m now on my 2nd Mk4, purchased in June and as of today it’s covered 2955 miles at 70.4 MPG, according to the fibometer, which in my view is only about 2MPG out and at those figures I’m not really bothered.
For me this is Jazz No8 and the best yet.

[Jazzik]

An average consumption of 70.4 MPG after 1 summer according to the fibrometer is a not exactly realistic prediction of the of the expected actual average consumption over a longer period. 

This gives a better indication of what consumption you can expect: https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overview/18-Honda/1293-Jazz_Hybrid.html?fueltype=2&vehicletype=1&constyear_s=2019&constyear_e=2024&power_s=75&power_e=85&minkm=10000&gearing=3

[Kenneve]

My previous Mk4 Jazz gave similar figures and did include a Winter period.
As I said earlier, when your talking figures into the 70s, a tolerance of +or- 5mpg is neither here nor there.
I remember many years ago I used to drive a Rover 3500s and I was lucky to get into the low 20s mpg