Courtesy car ES plus.

[bill ericay]

I road tested a Civic 1.8 a couple of months ago, and didn't find it as fast as I thought it should be, so I posted on the Civic forum and said my Jazz felt faster  and had a few Civic owners replying that they had had underpowered Jazzes as Courtesy cars. So I had another road test, treated the Civic as a Jazz and revved the engine and ended up with a smile on my face . After 2 more long test drives I part exchanged my Jazz for a Civic 1.8 Sport which I have had for about a week.
The Jazz is a brilliant, very practical , comfortable, spacious, very economical  large /small car , the best in it class in my opinion.

But the Civic makes me smile.

And it's still a Honda!

[Alan]

I had 5 joyous years with my auto Civic I found it totally reliable and total fun, my Wife however would not drive it as she said it had too much power for her so we went back to a Jazz which is a great car but I do miss my Civic

[guest5505]

I had 5 joyous years with my auto Civic I found it totally reliable and total fun, my Wife however would not drive it as she said it had too much power for her so we went back to a Jazz which is a great car but I do miss my Civic

which model/era of Civic, out of interest?

[Alan]

Got it new in March 2007 and it was a i shift ES model with panoramic roof etc in Milano red. Never had a moment of trouble and I must admit that I used to find excuses just to go out and drive it which I was told was childish for a 67 year old (my Wife's words) , great fun though.

[culzean]

I road tested a Civic 1.8 a couple of months ago, and didn't find it as fast as I thought it should be, so I posted on the Civic forum and said my Jazz felt faster  and had a few Civic owners replying that they had had underpowered Jazzes as Courtesy cars. So I had another road test, treated the Civic as a Jazz and revved the engine and ended up with a smile on my face . After 2 more long test drives I part exchanged my Jazz for a Civic 1.8 Sport which I have had for about a week.
The Jazz is a brilliant, very practical , comfortable, spacious, very economical  large /small car , the best in it class in my opinion.

But the Civic makes me smile.

And it's still a Honda!

140 Brake horse and 8.3 seconds 0 - 60 - why did you think the Civic was under-powered ?   revs to 7K for a reason 

Below about 3K the Honda 1.8 is 'Atkinson cycle' where the inlet valves stay open after TDC and some of the charge gets pushed back into inlet manifold,  this both lowers the compression ratio and reduces 'pumping losses'.  All that changes above 3K though and that's when you start smiling,  the 6 speed box is a joy to use as well. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_advanced_technology

[John Ratsey]

140 Brake horse and 8.3 seconds 0 - 60 - why did you think the Civic was under-powered ?   revs to 7K for a reason 

Below about 3K the Honda 1.8 is 'Atkinson cycle' where the inlet valves stay open after TDC and some of the charge gets pushed back into inlet manifold,  this both lowers the compression ratio and reduces 'pumping losses'.  All that changes above 3K though and that's when you start smiling,  the 6 speed box is a joy to use as well. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_advanced_technology

Interesting.... I've seen Atkinson cycle mentioned in reviews of the Mk 3 Jazz. It probably explains why the CVT version likes to rev the engine when pulling away.

[bill ericay]

140 Brake horse and 8.3 seconds 0 - 60 - why did you think the Civic was under-powered ?   revs to 7K for a reason 

I'm afraid on my first test drive I drove it like a granny .

On the second and subsequent drives I drove it properly!

[guest5247]

It is very dramatic as it sweeps back like a bond villian's  gadget, so I showed it off the first time I could.
I had passengers front and back - they were all cooking under the heat of the sun!

Never used since!

I use it the other way round.

The cover is closed as a sun blind to block the heat of the sun on the glass but open to have the benefit of light when it is cooler/ overcast. It is a delight.

I think the Americans call the glass roof a "moon light".

Love my glass roof , light and bright with sunshine.

If too hot,  put air con on.

Or open windows,  loads of fresh air out there 

Still having issues with performance though and nothing from Honda in 3 weeks.

Guess it'll be a visit to dealership again,  they just don't want to know.

I could overtake with the courtesy car easily with the Es + ,not a chance with mine....unless i seriously down shift and just floor it.

[applicationcen]

You do have to get used to revving that engine around 4 k rpm or above to get the performance.

At low revs only half of the input ports inject fuel. There is a magic spot I think at about 3k Revs where the others open up. You can push towards red line the engine it is built for that.

[guest5247]

You do have to get used to revving that engine around 4 k rpm or above to get the performance.

At low revs only half of the input ports inject fuel. There is a magic spot I think at about 3k Revs where the others open up. You can push towards red line the engine it is built for that.

Ah.....thank you for that,  need to get used to useing my right foot more then