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Title: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Derkie54 on November 13, 2020, 06:43:57 PM
There must be quite a few Mk4 owners who have had their cars for a while now

Are you happy with your purchase ................would you buy another one ?
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: chicksee on November 13, 2020, 06:46:14 PM
So far, best car I have had. Mpg is great and very nice smooth ride.
Big plus, the wife thinks so too.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Murdoch on November 13, 2020, 07:12:39 PM
Iíve owned my Jazz Hybrid for a couple of months from brand new & definitely wouldnít.
Reason being the petrol engine is far too noisy when it kicks in.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Steve P on November 13, 2020, 07:28:35 PM
I've had mine for around 6 weeks now and would happily buy again.

I don't find the engine noise excessive unless I'm flooring it, when it is very intrusive to be fair. In normal driving I don't notice it at all.

 Apart from that the car has been all I hoped, comfy, economical and with enough gizmos that I'm still finding new features all the time. Should really read the manual I guess.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: John Ratsey on November 14, 2020, 12:17:40 PM
This is by far the nicest vehicle to drive that I've ever owned. There's plenty of torque from the electric motor to give good fuss-free acceleration plus there's the economy benefit. However, it's not perfect: I would have liked the back seats to be a bit further forwards to increase the boot space and I reckon that Honda missed a trick by not configuring the electrically-powered aircon to run in reverse as a heat pump.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on November 14, 2020, 12:44:17 PM
Honda,  like others I suppose, have a history of making small mistakes with the first model year, then making critical tweaks for the second year on.

I've always waited for the second year. I will be looking very seriously at the CrossStar in Feb when my Civic is in for service.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: ndavey1 on November 15, 2020, 05:08:23 PM
Definitely would buy again. Itís the smoothest drive Iíve ever had. I say drive Iíve ever had,  most the time I let the jazz drive itself. I do 50 miles a day and 95% of this is in adaptive cruise control with LKAS. I barely need to touch the pedals or the steering wheel, yet I feel more in control than ever before. I enjoy the Apple CarPlay, the ease of use, reliability and features. The windscreen view is one of the clearest, and the car is quiet, but nicely noisy when fully accelerating, to give a comforting feel.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Pine on November 15, 2020, 06:39:04 PM
I am hoping to take an EX or Crosstar for a test drive in the new year.  I do very few motorway journeys but when I do I like to cruise at the limit.  Most of my driving is urban or along country roads however it is very hilly in the immediate area where I live so I am wondering if that is not a good situation for a hybrid. My driving style is relaxed and I am usually light on the throttle.  any advice would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Murdoch on November 15, 2020, 07:08:09 PM
When you take your test drive make sure that you take it on the roads that you will use regularly if that makes sense.

I didnít to my regret.

The petrol  engine on the Jazz EX that I own as stated in a previous post is far too noisy for me especially going up inclines.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Jocko on November 15, 2020, 07:12:55 PM
Can I ask. What did you drive before the Jazz?
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: JazzMusic on November 15, 2020, 07:41:25 PM
3 months for me now, definitly like it, all of it. Would definitly buy again. Fully featured in the Executive version. But would step down on 15'' allows again for a soft ride quality.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Murdoch on November 15, 2020, 07:52:57 PM
Skoda Fabia SEL with the DSG gearbox.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on November 16, 2020, 03:45:09 AM
The one gearbox I will not be getting is DSG. The failure and replacement cost is high. The other thing with DSG is slow speed manoeuvring like parallel parking or reversing into a garage. It's not a smooth manoeuvre but a series of kangaroo hops.

DSG is make or break so you can't drive slowly, pseudo clutch slip. I drove one and it was horrendous. When they were a wet clutch design they were manageable but the later dry clutch models ...... no

I was glad to see Ford have dropped their DSG ala PowerShift as it was proving unreliable and a couple of mass class action lawsuits are pending.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Mellorshark on November 16, 2020, 01:48:48 PM
Most of my driving is urban or along country roads however it is very hilly in the immediate area where I live so I am wondering if that is not a good situation for a hybrid. My driving style is relaxed and I am usually light on the throttle.  any advice would be appreciated.

I live in a hilly area and find the mk4 excellent. Much better going uphill than the mk3 jazz.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: gpbeck on November 22, 2020, 12:54:02 PM
The one gearbox I will not be getting is DSG. The failure and replacement cost is high. The other thing with DSG is slow speed manoeuvring like parallel parking or reversing into a garage. It's not a smooth manoeuvre but a series of kangaroo hops.

DSG is make or break so you can't drive slowly, pseudo clutch slip. I drove one and it was horrendous. When they were a wet clutch design they were manageable but the later dry clutch models ...... no

I was glad to see Ford have dropped their DSG ala PowerShift as it was proving unreliable and a couple of mass class action lawsuits are pending.

Latest Jazz does not have a CVT or a DSG or any sort of gearbox at all. It has an electric drive motor intelligently wired to a generator alongside. For marketing reasons Honda call this eCVT. The engine connects to the driveshafts at higher speeds but the ratio is fixed, again no gearbox. The engine revving/gear shifting noises are artificial because people expect them I suppose. So potential to quieten them through software should Honda choose. I would say our engine noises are not intrusive at all.

I think the drive is fantastic, and good flat handling and roadholding. My previous drive was an Audi S3, resulting in a dislocated liver on any road hump.

Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Jocko on November 22, 2020, 01:07:33 PM
Latest Jazz does not have a CVT or a DSG or any sort of gearbox at all. It has an electric drive motor intelligently wired to a generator alongside. For marketing reasons Honda call this eCVT. The engine connects to the driveshafts at higher speeds but the ratio is fixed, again no gearbox.
A fact well known here but not by motoring journalists. Welcome to the forumóplenty knowledgeable Jazz owners here with years of Jazz experience, many owners of the Mk 4.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Foksadure on November 22, 2020, 01:43:46 PM
I think the drive is fantastic, and good flat handling and roadholding. My previous drive was an Audi S3, resulting in a dislocated liver on any road hump.

I like mine 99% so far.
I'm just bothered a tad by the dampening on bumpy streets at low speed, which is not as smooth as my previous ride. Kinda like the whole front axle is wobbling on first impact. Disturbing.
Maybe that's because of the EX 16" inches rims.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on November 22, 2020, 01:44:29 PM
Interesting, so the old quirk of CVT over rev doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Jocko on November 22, 2020, 02:01:10 PM
Maybe that's because of the EX 16" inches rims.
16-inch rims always make for a rougher ride, on some cars worse than others.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: John Ratsey on November 22, 2020, 03:14:53 PM
Interesting, so the old quirk of CVT over rev doesn't happen.
The engine will rev if you want a sustained supply of power for acceleration or hill climbing and once it's over around 3000 rpm then the engine becomes audible. However, I think a difference from the CVT behaviour is that the engine revs on the eCVT are more constant rather than varying as some  excess / shortfall of power can be accommodated by the battery. A constant engine noise is less obtrusive than one which keeps varying. However, engine noise is an infrequent feature on my journeys - most trips are completed without obvious engine noise although I can now detect the sound difference between car running only on battery and using the engine.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Foksadure on November 22, 2020, 03:25:51 PM
16-inch rims always make for a rougher ride, on some cars worse than others.

Yup, the low profile tyres on the regular Jazz sure do not help. The Crosstar may be be more tolerant about this.

I can now detect the sound difference between car running only on battery and using the engine.

Except for the EV disappearing from the dashboard indicator, you can tell the engine is on by the little vibrations reaching the wheel. :)
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: JazzMusic on November 22, 2020, 04:00:50 PM
I'm just bothered a tad by the dampening on bumpy streets at low speed, which is not as smooth as my previous ride. Kinda like the whole front axle is wobbling on first impact. Disturbing.
Maybe that's because of the EX 16" inches rims.
We bought the Exec for its luxury features but stepped down on the summer allows to 15'' and Michelins. Now with 16'' with winter tyres the bumps are more noticable and I wish I've gone with 15'' in winter too. With 15'' the ride is quite comfortable.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: hotweiss on November 22, 2020, 04:16:47 PM
I think the drive is fantastic, and good flat handling and roadholding. My previous drive was an Audi S3, resulting in a dislocated liver on any road hump.

I like mine 99% so far.
I'm just bothered a tad by the dampening on bumpy streets at low speed, which is not as smooth as my previous ride. Kinda like the whole front axle is wobbling on first impact. Disturbing.
Maybe that's because of the EX 16" inches rims.

That is why I went with the Crosstar. 3 cm of extra dampening. The regular Jazz is made for perfect Japanese roads.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Austriaman on November 26, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
Yes definitely would, echo other comments about comfort, power, seamless driving experience. Mine's a Crosstar, a slightly softer ride I believe. Slight disappointing is lack of traffic data on the satnav, and the need to activate brake auto hold each you drive. But it's a great all-rounder, and if it holds its value as previous models, then that will help offset the high initial price.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on November 26, 2020, 02:21:09 PM
Traffic data will be TMC RDS which is pants when compared to Garmin digital traffic. That's why I run a standalone Garmin DS61 for the traffic.

Shame that Garmin Inrix digital traffic ends June 2021 and Garmin viaMichelin is the only option from then on via a smartphone link.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Cobb2 on November 26, 2020, 03:28:34 PM
Only had a Crosstar for a month or so now but I chose it for a variety of reasons. Compared to previous Mk2 and Mk3 16 inch low profile tyres, the slightly higher profile 16 inch tyres and apparent longer spring travel do seem to give it a more comfortable ride which I also assumed would be the case with the Mk 4 standard 16 inch tyres and springs.
I also much preferred the body styling, wheel design and option of surf blue compared to the standard Jazz. The sound system is also certainly much better than in the standard Jazz.

There are some disadvantages - obviously higher price, but I was disappointed that it does not include Blind Spot and Cross Traffic monitoring which surely would not have cost much more to include as in the standard Ex. I'm not so worried about not having the heated steering wheel. I also wonder if the textile seat bolster will wear as well as a leather one.

Also of major significance is the fact that driving the new Jazz is a league apart from the Mk3 auto as far as visibility, smoothness, noise, power and economy is concerned.

So overall I have been very pleased with this purchase.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Jocko on November 26, 2020, 05:58:30 PM
I also wonder if the textile seat bolster will wear as well as a leather one.
If its anything like the textile seats in my 14-year-old, 131,000 miles Mk 1 then you have no worries. My driving seat is a bit grubby, but a professional clean and it would be like new.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on November 26, 2020, 06:04:13 PM
Reading these reports make me more convinced a CrossStar is for me next year. Test drive mid Feb during my Civic annual service.

The only thing I'd like to see is what any owners are doing re a spacesaver as I'd feel vulnerable without one.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Cobb2 on November 26, 2020, 08:57:52 PM
Well Jocko my MK2 and Mk3 textile seats did not really wear at all like yours , but unfortunately my present Crosstar which was a demonstrator with just under 500 miles on it had got fluffing up appearing on the drivers outer bolster. Perhaps as a demonstrator many people had got in and out but surely not as many times as you would over say 50,000 miles. Because of this I had actually asked on this forum a few days ago if anyone else had noticed this problem but at the moment no one has replied. Anyway the good news is that my dealer and Honda have actually agreed that the seat cover should be changed under warranty. Well done Honda.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Cobb2 on November 26, 2020, 09:33:24 PM
Kremmen, there is not an easy way to carry a space saver on this model unless you carry it loose in the boot or tucked behind a rear seat. or even perhaps on a roof rack on the Crosstar.  Feeling a bit like you at the time, I did buy a space saver kit for my Mk3 but luckily did not use it in nearly five years. Also never needed one in the previous Jazz. I did carry a space saver around France behind a front seat once in a Prius. Its true that puncture sealant kits do not always work ( happened once to me with a courtesy car) but I do not think you need to feel vulnerable because of no spare. You might be more vulnerable trying to change a wheel on a busy road or certainly on a so called "Smart "motorway
It is usually safer to use a breakdown service where they will either have a universal space saver or take the car on a trailer. However, if you are worried about needing to repair a tyre yourself you can get a DIY temporary rubber plug tyre repair kit for around £10 ( eg Euro car parts ) which may or may not work better than the sealant.  Alternatively, carry the spare wheel or full wheel as suggested or look for a set of run flat tyres which might be expensive, if available, and probably would effect the ride of the car. I don't think you should let the fact that a car does not have a spare stop you buying a particular car, although I can see it might be more of a problem if you were driving in very remote areas. Perhaps it is just on that sort of occasion when you could carry a spare in one of the places I've suggested.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Jocko on November 26, 2020, 10:44:01 PM
After 14 years the spare on my Mk 1 looks like it has never been on the car. I have never had it out to see if the paint around the bolt holes shows any wear on the rear. The tools are still sealed in the bag in which Honda supplied them.
Regarding Runflat tyres. I was telling my brother I had bought four tyres. He said he bought four tyres for his BMW. They are Runflat tyres, and they cost him £280 per tyre!
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on November 27, 2020, 04:57:40 AM
I too have never had a puncture in about 20 years and my spacesavers have never been used. My last one though, on a Xantia destroyed the tyre and gunk wouldn't have worked.

My main journey is the M4 from J3 to 10 which is going to be a smart motorway soon so as you say, probably safer to leap over the barrier and wait.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Jocko on November 27, 2020, 07:10:10 AM
I would never try and change a tyre on the hard shoulder. In fact, it is heavily frowned upon by the highway guys and by the police.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: sparky Paul on November 27, 2020, 03:37:46 PM
My main journey is the M4 from J3 to 10 which is going to be a smart motorway soon so as you say, probably safer to leap over the barrier and wait.

Almost certainly, smart motorways are deadly. I'm with Jocko in this one.

As for hard shoulders, if you absolutely insist on changing a wheel, you should contact the control centre on an emergency phone first... if they deem it necessary, and one is available, they may send a Highways traffic officer to you for protection.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Downsizer on November 27, 2020, 04:37:05 PM
It seems as though the mobile phone, together with more robust tyres, have eliminated the need to carry a spare. However, this would be a problem in a remote area without a phone signal.


Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: John Ratsey on November 27, 2020, 04:40:58 PM
The TPMS should provide warning of a slowish puncture which the gunk should be able to fix but if it's very slow then it could be a matter of adding some air and heading for a tyre repair place. If the TPMS gives little or no warning of a puncture then I doubt if the gunk will be able to seal it. For many years I've carried a spare in case of a puncture in the middle of nowhere where's there's no phone signal. However, rural mobile phone coverage has progressively improved. While I would first try using my mobile to call HondaCare, I think that it's possible to use the built-in Honda connected services to call for help (I need to re-read the book) which might be advantageous as the eSIM will probably use the best of whatever phone signals it can find whereas my phone is stuck with one network. Otherwise it'll be necessary to walk up a hill in search of a signal.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: sparky Paul on November 27, 2020, 08:37:16 PM
the eSIM will probably use the best of whatever phone signals it can find whereas my phone is stuck with one network. Otherwise it'll be necessary to walk up a hill in search of a signal.

In case of real emergencies, it's also worth remembering that your phone will automatically route any call to emergency services (999/112) via any available network, regardless of which network you are on - or indeed will work without any sim in the phone at all.

I'll say it before anyone else does, I don't think they'll come out for flat tyres  ;D
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: GoJazzGo on December 04, 2020, 09:55:31 AM
Love every aspect of it.

Mostly I love the electric torque takeoff from start.

Dynamic cruise and lane control is brilliant.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: chicksee on December 04, 2020, 11:42:16 AM
Have to say after 4 months of having the Crosstar I look forward to driving again, long time since Iíve enjoyed driving as much. Loving it so far.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on December 04, 2020, 11:56:27 AM
Only just over 2 months to go for a CrossStar test drive. From these posts though, looking good.

Wonder if there will be a MY21 change list. They always change things in year 2 from owner and franchise reports.

I waited for a MY13 Civic because the MY12, first release year, had no DAB and the iMid had a bug. You could only rotate round the iMid options/screens when stationary and handbrake on.
The MY13 fix, that couldn't  be retro fixed, allowed rotating round tank range, A and B trips and average MPG from a steering wheel button.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on December 17, 2020, 09:58:32 AM
In the Crosstar, what do they mean by interior soft touch mesh as opposed to the Jazz soft touch leather ?

Which bits are mesh and what does it look like ?
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Steve_M on December 17, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
These areas on the dash - on the Crosstar the material is a bit like the material that's on an alexa speaker and on Jazz it is like a soft leather.

Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Steve_M on December 17, 2020, 10:58:18 AM
Close up of the material.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on December 17, 2020, 12:25:22 PM
Thanks

I think I prefer the Crosstar darker material so it's looking good for next year ..... Crosstar:

Softer suspension
Better audio

Still wondering why no models include auto dimming mirror and the HRV style dipping passenger mirror on reverse. 2 quality touches missed.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Steve_M on December 17, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
I found a better picture of the Crosstar dash material, you can see the texture.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on December 17, 2020, 02:24:43 PM
Looks OK, thanks.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on December 21, 2020, 12:00:21 PM
I know I'll find out in due course but does the new Jazz CVT allow 'creep' like a standard auto ?

I do like to reverse into the garage on the brake pedal.....slowly does it ........
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Mellorshark on December 21, 2020, 01:38:28 PM
I have crept up my drive in reverse. I think you may need an initial touch on the accelerator to get it moving.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: TiJazz on December 28, 2020, 05:44:07 PM
Itíll creep by default. You only need to apply throttle when the parking brake is engaged - at which point itíll disengage and start to creep.

On topic, I would absolutely buy another one - as long as itís eHEV or PHEV. Hopefully not for a while yet, though!
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on December 28, 2020, 06:14:30 PM
Thanks

I'll find out on the test drive but I don't want to go down the same road as my 2007 iShift. That didn't 'creep' but used to reverse me down my driveway at some speed, with no throttle, because the clutch was fully engaged.

To slow it down you press the brake, but, what the iShift did was fully disconnect drive so you stopped. Then pressing the throttle to get going again, no matter how gentle, and off it went, too fast.

My neighbours commented I was kangarooing into my garage. Start stop start stop. Worst gearbox I've ever used.

With a torque converter auto there is no need to press the throttle at all, just control the reversing speed with the brake pedal.

I'm hoping the Honda CVT is closer to a torque converter as slow speed than an 'automated manual'
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: TiJazz on December 28, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
Itís exactly like a normal auto. All electric cars tend to behave in this way - remember the Honda is electric drive, and the engine is simply a generator. The CVT is never linked to the wheels.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Foksadure on December 30, 2020, 10:43:02 PM
The CVT is never linked to the wheels.

The car would hardly move then. :D

If you meant the ICE, it seems it is sometimes powering the front axle.

https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=12624.msg90600#msg90600

But most of the time, the car feels like an EV, which is just brilliant IMHO.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: TiJazz on December 31, 2020, 02:17:04 PM
The electric motor is linked to the wheels - the CVT for the engine is linked to the generator.

But yes, the ICE is clutched in as a fixed ratio at high speed.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Foksadure on January 02, 2021, 09:16:13 PM
But since there is no real CVT, it's all fixed ratio and managed through a clever use of clutch, be it mechanical or electrical.

The e:HEV is basically a petrol powered EV.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: TiJazz on January 03, 2021, 12:32:01 AM
Yup - thatís why I have one!
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on January 03, 2021, 04:31:28 AM
Looking forward to a Crosstar test drive next month then I'll take it from there.

I love my 9G Civic but it's 8 next month and I wonder about the headunit parts given that my Alpine unit was discontinued in 2015. It's only done 24k, has zero problems but a downsize and new car is tempting.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: John Ratsey on January 03, 2021, 12:31:57 PM
But since there is no real CVT, it's all fixed ratio and managed through a clever use of clutch, be it mechanical or electrical.
See this for an excellent demonstration of how the eCVT works
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: culzean on January 03, 2021, 01:21:47 PM
https://honda-tech.com/articles/honda-formula-1-tech-boosts-power-efficiency-in-the-all-new-jazz/
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: richardfrost on January 03, 2021, 04:47:46 PM
But since there is no real CVT, it's all fixed ratio and managed through a clever use of clutch, be it mechanical or electrical.
See this for an excellent demonstration of how the eCVT works.

Thanks for this John. Really fascinating. Watched the whole thing, which is unusual for me. Often I would get bored and switch off.

The one burning question for me after watching this is how the wiring works. With both motors spinning in that same axis, how are the cables connected for power in and out? It seems like the whole thing is spinning and there are no stationary parts to attach to.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: culzean on January 03, 2021, 05:05:18 PM
But since there is no real CVT, it's all fixed ratio and managed through a clever use of clutch, be it mechanical or electrical.
See this for an excellent demonstration of how the eCVT works.

Thanks for this John. Really fascinating. Watched the whole thing, which is unusual for me. Often I would get bored and switch off.

The one burning question for me after watching this is how the wiring works. With both motors spinning in that same axis, how are the cables connected for power in and out? It seems like the whole thing is spinning and there are no stationary parts to attach to.

There is no wiring to the moving part of the motor ( the rotor ) which can either be permanent magnets or the magnetic field is taken from the stator windings ( fixed ) as in an induction motor ( where the magnetism is 'induced' into stator of iron laminations by a aluminium 'squirrel cage'
That carries the induced magnetising current ).  The presenter did show the stator windings for the drive motor early in the video ( 6 min 20 sec ),  within an aluminium casting that bolted onto the casing of the drive, the stator windings for the generator would be in another aluminium casting bolted onto top of drive casing.

In Honda case the rotors are permanent magnet type. With a 3 phase winding in the stator,  three seperate windings where the voltage / current flows are 120 degrees out of phase to produce a rotating magnetic field that the stator magnets will follow.  The generator bit is like the alternator in a normal car but bigger ( and the alternator on a car has a wound rotor with slipring electrical supply, to vary the output power ), the rotating permanent magnets induce current in the stationary windings...again probably 3 phase which is turned into direct current for the battery or drive motor inverter by the generating inverters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_motor

Attached is a PDF with various motor designs
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on January 03, 2021, 05:46:45 PM
 I'll take your word for it,  as long as when I press the loud pedal .......... :)
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Jocko on January 03, 2021, 06:28:40 PM
Just watched the e-CVT video. Superb. As an engineer myself, I can really appreciate how clearly he put the whole thing across. I'll need to look out for more of his stuff.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: MartinJG on January 03, 2021, 07:44:50 PM
Interesting. I knew an engineer who worked in the USA more than twenty years ago and wryly pointed out that back then it was a highly respected profession compared with the UK where the attitude was that engineers were misfits. Far better studying a completely useless PPE degree where you were guaranteed a job somewhere by someone to do something completely unproductive. Things may well have changed 'back in the USSA'.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: stiggysawdust on January 10, 2021, 07:04:15 PM
 I would not buy again.
Main reason is that only the drivers seat is height adjustable and I did not realise the passenger seat is not. As we need the extra height for both seats as they were in the HRV, this would have been a deal breaker. Very annoyed when I found out that it was not adjustable as it is very hard to get in and out of the car when you are getting on a bit.
Honda's penny pinching strikes elsewhere also.
Cheap and nasty plastic wheel trims covering cheap looking alloy wheels.
No auto dimming rear-view interior mirror.
Passenger mirror does not dip when reversing.
All the above were supplied in our 5 year old HRV EX but not in our brand new Jazz i-mmd EX.
If you want a decent light in the boot, Honda want £50 for an LED. All it needs is a change of bulb to LED. Why this is necessary when all other lights on the vehicle are LED, I'll never know.
Contrary to advertising information. it should have a rear seat arm rest and a tonneau. but they don't seem to exist.
I realise that there is always a need to compromise but I expected an EX Jazz to have  at least most of the same accessories as a 5 year old HRV.
I still think it is a lovely car to drive but can't help thinking I have made an expensive mistake.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Cobb2 on January 10, 2021, 11:20:21 PM
I agree with you Stiggy that there is some penny pinching and there are always comprises but an auto dim mirror and a dipping passenger mirror can be overcome manually. Perhaps a low passenger seat can be overcome with a cushion of some sort and the wheels which are a bit strange ,I agree, could have been upgraded for a different design but at a significant cost. In fact one of several reasons why I chose a Crosstar was because of the wheels as well as several other factors but was disappointed it did not have the rear traffic warning and heated steering wheel as on the standard EX. I'm not up with all the specs on your previous HRV but I guess there are several things in your new car that were not on that, but most of all I suspect the drive and the economy are significantly better. So maybe you have not made an expensive mistake.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Jocko on January 11, 2021, 06:55:16 AM
I have issues with accessing cars (yesterday I parked alongside a high kerb and I was almost lying on my back trying to get back in). I would never buy a car without checking how easy it is to access and if my other half, and regular passenger, had problems I think I would make sure she could get in and out of the passenger seat with ease before buying.
Your HR-V's other niceties had that the new Jazz/Crosstar hasn't should have been checked on a first look or at least by checking the brochure.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: stiggysawdust on January 12, 2021, 08:44:16 PM
I have issues with accessing cars (yesterday I parked alongside a high kerb and I was almost lying on my back trying to get back in). I would never buy a car without checking how easy it is to access and if my other half, and regular passenger, had problems I think I would make sure she could get in and out of the passenger seat with ease before buying.
Your HR-V's other niceties had that the new Jazz/Crosstar hasn't should have been checked on a first look or at least by checking the brochure.

The long list of what the Jazz has makes it difficult to notice what is missing either by looking at a brochure or during a test drive unless are prepared to spend a long time checking for things that I expect to be included. Losing some of the things that were on my 5 year old HRV feels like I have gone back in time.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Jocko on January 12, 2021, 10:08:57 PM
Now, I won't buy a new guitar, a TV, or phone, without a half hour or so searching Google for info. I would certainly spend a day or two before spending £20K+ on a car.
The Jazz brochure has two pages with all the specs of what you get and what model you get it on.

(https://i.imgur.com/55RVsbo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/b7FjEhl.jpg)

I have also downloaded the manual for the Jazz/Crosstar as well as the Honda e and MG5, all of which are on my radar.
It is hardly an onerous task.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on January 13, 2021, 05:13:17 AM
I'm also looking more carefully at what is missing.

As already posted I also find it hard to fathom why the top of the range Jazz has a manual dipping mirror.

Given Covid I think I'll just look at them next month and delay the test drive until the summer. Assuming that showroom access is still available.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: ndavey1 on January 13, 2021, 11:22:50 AM
I had auto dimming mirror on my 13 year old Peugeot 207. I canít say that I really miss this on my jazz. There are more than enough stand out features that make up for it. The only thing that I donít like at the moment is that making trips in this weather the engine is constantly running. Other than the fuel economy, I donít like that the battery goes to full charge and then keeps charging for the whole drive. This surely is bad for the battery and will reduce lifetime performance. I find myself hard accelerating to use some of the battery and then turning heating off. Not ideal for fuel economy or comfort.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: TiJazz on January 13, 2021, 02:54:27 PM
It wonít try and charge the battery when full. In D there is very little regen anyway.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: ndavey1 on January 13, 2021, 03:57:59 PM
It wonít try and charge the battery when full. In D there is very little regen anyway.
Thatís what I thought but the graphic still kept showing the green lines going into the battery. If I accelerated hard and the battery went down by a bar, the next braking or rolling I did put it back to full. I donít even charge my phone past 80%, so a bit worrying.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: richardfrost on January 13, 2021, 04:48:20 PM
It wonít try and charge the battery when full. In D there is very little regen anyway.
Thatís what I thought but the graphic still kept showing the green lines going into the battery. If I accelerated hard and the battery went down by a bar, the next braking or rolling I did put it back to full. I donít even charge my phone past 80%, so a bit worrying.
I think you are overthinking this. You should not have to actively manage the charge in your battery - in your car or your phone. They have systems built in to do that themselves. On your vehicle, the green lines going in to your battery when on full charge will most likely just be to indicate flow direction rather than tell you there is actual charging going on. My Toyota is exactly the same. Just let the car do it's thing and concentrate on driving is my mantra.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Jocko on January 13, 2021, 04:52:40 PM
I think, in line with other electric vehicle manufacturers, 100% on the gauge will be 80% at the battery.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: John A on January 13, 2021, 04:57:20 PM
Had a Jazz loan car while my Mk 3 CVT was in for it's MOT. Only did about 30 miles but some of that was in town, some on a dual carriageway. Drove just like my Jazz except that if you floored the pedal it did accelerate much better and having it in B was really useful as the regen braking was sufficient in light traffic.

A nice car to drive, but, on a financial point I can see the point of part-exing my 2016 car for the Mk4, Maybe in a few years time when ex PCP ones come on the market the financial costs will seem better to me.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Downsizer on January 13, 2021, 07:15:23 PM
I agree with John A.  Apart from anything else, we would lose the benefit of the £30 road tax on our Mk 3ís.  The fuel saving argument depends on mileage covered, which at the moment is negligible!  I shall keep my Mk 3 for another couple of years - I like to get to around 70,000 before changing.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: stiggysawdust on January 13, 2021, 07:20:23 PM
Now, I won't buy a new guitar, a TV, or phone, without a half hour or so searching Google for info. I would certainly spend a day or two before spending £20K+ on a car.
The Jazz brochure has two pages with all the specs of what you get and what model you get it on.

(https://i.imgur.com/55RVsbo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/b7FjEhl.jpg)

I have also downloaded the manual for the Jazz/Crosstar as well as the Honda e and MG5, all of which are on my radar.
It is hardly an onerous task.


I was fully aware of all the detail in the brochure and the online manual and I spent hours and hours trying to decide which make and model of which car to buy but I still missed the fact that the passenger seat is not height adjustable and is set  very low.
So I made a mistake and I have to live with it but the answer to the original question is NO, I would not buy another. End of.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Pine on January 15, 2021, 02:43:07 PM
Just before lockdown I called into my local showroom to look at a Mk4 Jazz.  As soon as my wife sat in it she said it feels as if I am sat on the floor.  So I got in the passenger seat and it does feel excessively low.  Perhaps we have just got used to jacked up seats in a small SUV.  Unfortunately they didn't have a Crosstar in the showroom for comparison.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: TiJazz on January 15, 2021, 03:56:02 PM
Yeah, even the Crosstar feels very low as a passenger compared to my old eZS SUV.

It feels right as a driver though, so I think it is just the seat height adjust that makes a difference.
Title: Re: Would You Buy Another Mk4
Post by: Kremmen on January 15, 2021, 04:10:29 PM
I wonder if a LHD seat could be ordered and fitted as that would be adjustable.