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Title: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on August 27, 2020, 01:32:25 PM
Just come back from the auto electrician who was going to fit the hardwire kit for my NextBase dash cams (front & rear) and there is a problem.

Apparently new Hondas and Renualts if you try to either tap into an existing connection or use one of the spare fuse spaces it will causes faults to be reported and possibly cause a total shutdown of the car.

To prevent this a canbus adapter is required to solve the issue. He said that this is becoming more and more the norm as manufacturers don't want independent auto electricians to install accessories.

I advised him that I had orginally made a booking with Halfords to do the work (10th September) to which he replied that Halfords had been passing this type of work to him once they realise the issue. Need to cancel Halford booking.

He is looking for a suitable canbus adapter and he will get back to me hopefully tomorrow.

Oh the joys of owning a new Honda.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: TnTkr on August 27, 2020, 01:56:34 PM
If there is a canbus adapter, that's good. But I was thinking possibilities to remain undetected by the car systems. If the dashcam is powered from the same fuse as 12 V accessory outlet there is no way the system knows if it's the dashcam or some device plugged in to the outlet.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on August 27, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
You may be right but I have a horrible feeling that the canbus systems are getting smarter all the time.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: culzean on August 27, 2020, 04:02:16 PM
If there is a canbus adapter, that's good. But I was thinking possibilities to remain undetected by the car systems. If the dashcam is powered from the same fuse as 12 V accessory outlet there is no way the system knows if it's the dashcam or some device plugged in to the outlet.

+1

I agree,  the Canbus system,  has 'nodes' that control individual bits of equipment that communicate with the controller modules via a two core bus cable, the power can be supplied in same cable ( 4 core with two heavier power conductors and two light data cores ) or a separate cable.  If you plug something into 12v power that comes from battery and not via the controller the system will not know what is plugged in as there is no data cable to controller from the device.  CAN bus compatible on LED bulbs purely means that the LED has to draw the same current as the filament bulb it replaces or the node supplying the bulb will see too little current and think bulb has blown,  - normally a resistor in parallel with LED does the trick,  some LED bulbs sold as CANbus compatible have a resistor built in. 

LED bulbs have constant current power supplies built in ( LED works on current not voltage ) some cheaper LED bulbs without filters can introduce interference into the system though,  which may affect CANbus data transfer, so some CANbus compatible bulbs can have extra filtering in them as well as a resistor.

Interesting piece

http://blog.ecobd2.com/tech-support/automotive-can-bus-system-explained-instruction-diagnosis/
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Jocko on August 27, 2020, 04:34:04 PM
But the Aux power socket will power anything from a phone charger to a tyre pump/compressor so I don't see how it can be on the Canbus system.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: John Ratsey on August 27, 2020, 05:01:52 PM
My Nextbase dashcam has been happily using the 12V socket. However, that socket has no power when the vehicle is switched off whereas a hardwired camera could have a permanent supply which might be what could upset the vehicle if it constitutes an unknown power drain.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Jocko on August 27, 2020, 05:33:10 PM
My Nextbase dashcam has been happily using the 12V socket.
As does mine. Plus the Garmin and GPS speedometer. Not that mine has Canbus. It uses wet string and cloth-covered cable.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on August 27, 2020, 06:29:41 PM
Any hardwiring of my dash cams has always been on a switched supply since I am now retired and don't use the car every day. At the moment my dash cams are powered by the power socket next to the USB sockets, might have consider running that cable behind door pillar cover and headliner but I do prefer the hardwired route.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Jocko on August 27, 2020, 11:11:00 PM
It could be hardwired to the rear of the power socket.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on August 27, 2020, 11:32:25 PM
That's how it was done by my dealer on my last Honda which I didn't know about but they are not keen on doing it this time and I think it means that the centre console would need to be dismantled to get to the back of the power socket.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: John Ratsey on August 28, 2020, 09:39:38 AM
That's how it was done by my dealer on my last Honda which I didn't know about but they are not keen on doing it this time and I think it means that the centre console would need to be dismantled to get to the back of the power socket.
So can the electrician connect to the cable between the fuse and the socket assuming that the power relay is between the battery and the fuse)?
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on August 28, 2020, 04:23:58 PM
Not keen on the idea of splicing into any cables as if anything went wrong with the electrics, Honda would more than likely point at the splicing and void the eletrical warranty.

If the connections at the back of the power socket is by 2 spade connectors then the use of piggy back connectors would solve the issue of splicing BUT in order to get to the back of the power socket means stripping out the whole centre console (had a look earlier this afternoon and it will not be an easy job).
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: John Ratsey on August 28, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
Is it possible to piggy-back on the fuse for the aux socket using something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Circuit-Piggy-Back-Standard-Blade-Holder/dp/B017O0QHZU ?
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on August 29, 2020, 12:10:24 AM
Is it possible to piggy-back on the fuse for the aux socket using something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Circuit-Piggy-Back-Standard-Blade-Holder/dp/B017O0QHZU ?

I am still waiting to hear from the auto electrician but from our conversation on Thursday the answer would seem to be no. The piggy backs shown on the amazon website are identical to what is supplied as part of the NextBase hardwire kit.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Megansbob on August 29, 2020, 08:36:58 PM
My Nextbase 522 (front and rear) is hardwired via a piggyback connector and was fitted by a qualified auto electrician
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on August 29, 2020, 09:40:29 PM
My Nextbase 522 (front and rear) is hardwired via a piggyback connector and was fitted by a qualified auto electrician

What did the auto electrician charge to fit the hardwire kit.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on September 08, 2020, 01:24:58 PM
I'm interested in this.

On other Hondas the under dash fusebox has an 'option connecter' socket. If this Jazz also has this socket then wiring in a dashcam and SatNav will be a breeze.

On my Civic I currently have my dashcam wired to Ign Pos 2 and my Garmin to Ign Pos 1.

Here is the connector on my 9G Civic with the 2 wires:

(https://i.imgur.com/LlPVIP9.jpg)

Anyone got a photo of the 2020 Jazz fusebox ?

Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Steve_M on September 08, 2020, 03:04:18 PM
Mk4 Jazz has a similar accessory connector as Kremmen mentions.

It is a 4 pin connector in the front face of the underdash fusebox, right hand side above the fuses.
Pin 1 is a battery +supply (need to put a suitable sized fuse in position 36 of fusebox (15A))
Pin 2 is Reverse +supply
Pin 3 is Acc position +supply
Pin 4 is Ignition +supply
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: jazzaro on September 08, 2020, 03:16:12 PM
If there is a canbus adapter, that's good. But I was thinking possibilities to remain undetected by the car systems. If the dashcam is powered from the same fuse as 12 V accessory outlet there is no way the system knows if it's the dashcam or some device plugged in to the outlet.

+1

I agree,  the Canbus system,  has 'nodes' that control individual bits of equipment that communicate with the controller modules via a two core bus cable, the power can be supplied in same cable ( 4 core with two heavier power conductors and two light data cores ) or a separate cable.  If you plug something into 12v power that comes from battery and not via the controller the system will not know what is plugged in as there is no data cable to controller from the device.  CAN bus compatible on LED bulbs purely means that the LED has to draw the same current as the filament bulb it replaces or the node supplying the bulb will see too little current and think bulb has blown,  - normally a resistor in parallel with LED does the trick,  some LED bulbs sold as CANbus compatible have a resistor built in. 

LED bulbs have constant current power supplies built in ( LED works on current not voltage ) some cheaper LED bulbs without filters can introduce interference into the system though,  which may affect CANbus data transfer, so some CANbus compatible bulbs can have extra filtering in them as well as a resistor.

Interesting piece

http://blog.ecobd2.com/tech-support/automotive-can-bus-system-explained-instruction-diagnosis/
I remember my old Clio wirings...
Black wire  = earth or negative pole.
Red wire  = +12v directly connected to battery
Yellow wire = +12v aftet ignition
Couple of crossed wires = CAN-H and CAN-L data cables.
I found a TPMS ECU for Renault Clio, put it under the passenger seat and made a power+data cable with a sort of rj45 plug to connect it with the car: cut and solder black and yellow wire, cut and solder two other cables from a couple of crossed can cables. After a reconfiguration, it worked fine...
To me it's strange to hear that in new cars power cables are electrically checked by canbus: surely if you touch a canbus data cable the car will show lots of alarms, but +12v cables, mmmhhh.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: jazzaro on September 08, 2020, 04:23:29 PM

Anyone got a photo of the 2020 Jazz fusebox ?
Here there is the installation manual of a electric towbar wiring kit, you should find where to plug a wire to gain +12v.
http://catalogue.ecs-electronics.nl/?search=HN-737-DX
HondaKarma posted the fitting manual for the footlight, with some pictures of the fusebox and where to plug the connector (where is hondakarma?)
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on September 08, 2020, 04:42:51 PM
Steve_m has given me the solution I was looking for so the new Jazz is back on my next car list.

I can understand a modern canbus detecting a piggyback and protecting itself from overload. The option connector is just that, a separate area of the fusebox for just what the dashcam query relates to, adding an optional accessory.

Getting the correct plug is another matter, the Civic ones come from a Japanese third party reseller. However, it should be possible to use shielded 2mm crimp connectors on the pins ala Civic till the plug can be sourced.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on September 08, 2020, 05:28:25 PM

Anyone got a photo of the 2020 Jazz fusebox ?
Here there is the installation manual of a electric towbar wiring kit, you should find where to plug a wire to gain +12v.

HondaKarma posted the fitting manual for the footlight, with some pictures of the fusebox and where to plug the connector (where is hondakarma?)

Tried to log onto HondaKarma but there appears to be a problem, parent company seems to have gone into administration, do you have a copy the fitting manual for the footlight and pictures of the fusebox.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on September 08, 2020, 05:56:36 PM
The footlights would need a pin that becomes live when the doors are open and the Jazz option connector only has 4 pins as listed by Steve_m

For a dashcam you ideally need the ignition + supply as the acc + supply can be a quick make/break connection when the starter motor kicks in which often confuses them.

I'm not intending to change till at least March so plenty of time to wait for more info.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: jazzaro on September 10, 2020, 09:43:56 AM
do you have a copy the fitting manual for the footlight and pictures of the fusebox.
yep.
Give me your email address by pm and I will send it.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on September 10, 2020, 11:57:44 AM
If I can get a picture of the fusebox I can check with the Honda third party supplier whether they do the option connector.

He thinks that it may be identical to the latest CRV option connector that is also a 4 pin job.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: jazzaro on September 10, 2020, 04:32:41 PM
This connector is used to feed +12v to the trailer blinkers ecu on a 1.3 GK. Unfortunately there is no code...
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on September 10, 2020, 05:58:52 PM
I reckon it's that socket to the left of the one used in that image. That one looks like a 4 pin.

I need a photo to send off to get his guess.

Given the MK4 is fairly new I don't suppose many have had time to do a contortion act with a  camera yet. Something like my photo above but with the socket empty would be perfect.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: jazzaro on September 11, 2020, 09:23:47 AM

Given the MK4 is fairly new I don't suppose many have had time to do a contortion act with a  camera yet. Something like my photo above but with the socket empty would be perfect.
Ya, I will provide it ASAP.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on September 11, 2020, 01:50:09 PM
Still haven't heard back from the autoelectrian who advised that there would be a problem with the CANbus system when connecting to a free fuse slot in the fusebox even though I called him at the start of this week.

Found by accident another autoelectrician company locally who basically say the fist autoelectrician is talking a load of b****.

Here's part of one of their emails;-

There should never be a problem with a dash camera installation affecting any network in the vehicle, whether that be CANBus or LINbus - wiring a 12V accessory (any accessory) into the vehicles fuse box either off an empty fuse slot or a non safety critical fuse slot using fuse adaptors should never cause any interference to anything but DAB - CANbus is a method of system communication between modules in a vehicle, it's not something you wire a dash camera into. Why would taking a 12V power feed and finding an earth interfere with CAN? Probably a question to ask your auto electrician, would be interested to know the answer he/she has in response to that. As with anything, if there is any problems, no customer leaves until they are completely happy.

Going to contact them next week to arrange a time and date for installation, they also do a mobile service.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Steve_M on September 11, 2020, 02:51:38 PM
Connect at the Option connector A in this image - It is a 4 pin connector in the front face of the underdash fusebox, right hand side above the fuses.
Pin 1 is a battery +supply (need to put a suitable sized fuse in position 36 of fusebox (15A))
Pin 2 is Reverse +supply
Pin 3 is Acc position +supply
Pin 4 is Ignition +supply
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on September 11, 2020, 03:12:26 PM
@Steve_m  are the option connector plugs available from dealers separately or as part of an approved accessory only ?
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: jazzaro on September 11, 2020, 05:20:45 PM
It was hard but I managed to take some pics, this is the best.
Italian Jazz, 1.3 16v mk3 so steering wheel on the left of the car.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on September 11, 2020, 06:32:36 PM
Thanks, I'll forward it on Monday and see what he says.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on September 11, 2020, 08:49:41 PM
It was hard but I managed to take some pics, this is the best.
Italian Jazz, so steering wheel on the left of the car.

Is the picture of the fusebox from a 4th gen Jazz as I have tried to match the picture up with fuseboxes shown in the 4th gen owners handbook i.e. position and numbers of the various fuses (10A, 15A, 20A etc)?
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Steve_M on September 11, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
@Steve_m  are the option connector plugs available from dealers separately or as part of an approved accessory only ?

No, the connector is not available separately, you would have to buy an accessory that used the option connector as part of its connection wiring harness. e.g front fog lights
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on September 12, 2020, 05:11:45 AM
It was hard but I managed to take some pics, this is the best.
Italian Jazz, so steering wheel on the left of the car.

Is the picture of the fusebox from a 4th gen Jazz as I have tried to match the picture up with fuseboxes shown in the 4th gen owners handbook i.e. position and numbers of the various fuses (10A, 15A, 20A etc)?

Good point, the image posted by Steve_m is also different from the supplied photo
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on September 12, 2020, 09:13:02 AM
Just had another look at the fusebox layout in the 4th gen owners manual and if using the Nextbase hardwire kit or similar it should be an easy install with no issues except that you have to be a contortionist.

The front accessory power socket is fuse 29 (20A) using the appropriate piggy back fuse connector from the kit, transfer the 20A fuse to the piggy back connector and then install the connector into fuse position 29 in the fusebox.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: jazzaro on September 13, 2020, 09:41:07 AM
It was hard but I managed to take some pics, this is the best.
Italian Jazz, so steering wheel on the left of the car.

Is the picture of the fusebox from a 4th gen Jazz as I have tried to match the picture up with fuseboxes shown in the 4th gen owners handbook i.e. position and numbers of the various fuses (10A, 15A, 20A etc)?
No, I'm sorry, now I've realized that this thread is about the mk4, my pic is about a 2017 1.3 mk3.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on September 14, 2020, 10:32:56 AM
Jazz MK3 is an 8 pin connector whilst the MK4 is a 4 pin.

First photo will help.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: jazzaro on September 14, 2020, 06:44:06 PM
Jazz MK3 is an 8 pin connector whilst the MK4 is a 4 pin.

First photo will help.
My Gk3 has two free connectors, one 8pin (the one I would use for  footlights) and another one, 4 pins, the one I would plug to feed the trailer light ecu.
A wiring scheme would be very useful...
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on September 15, 2020, 04:37:12 AM
The option connector plug for the MK3 is available.

I don't know the exact pinouts but a multimeter will reveal all. The common pins are:

Permanent power
Ign pos 1
Ign pos 2
Reverse selected
Door open
Lights on

If there is enough demand I can ask the supplier, with forum permission, to create a thread here. He currently supplies connector plugs for:

Civic 8G, 9G, 10G, CRV, Jazz MK3

I'm still looking for a closeup of the MK4 fusebox.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: hotweiss on October 03, 2020, 05:04:00 PM
So, is there a way to hardwire a dascham to the fusebox. I currently have a DOD dashcam hardwired to my fusebox. I am looking into buying a CrossStar.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on October 04, 2020, 04:58:34 AM
Yes, via the option connector pins as mentioned above. That's what that or those pins are for. They don't interfere with any other circuit.

As steve_m posted, there is an ACC and a IGN pin. On my Civic I've got my dashcam wired to IGN and my Garmin wired to ACC. Never had any problems and the option connector feature, although different pin layouts, is common to all recent Hondas.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: hotweiss on October 04, 2020, 06:33:00 AM
If I have my dashcam hooked up to a fuse now. To what pins do I connect my current cables if I want my camera to record 24 hours per day. Do I need an adapter?
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on October 04, 2020, 09:03:04 AM
It depends on what cam and hardwire kit you have.

Some hardwire kits have 3 wires. One goes to permanent power, one to IGN power and the other to earth.

When the IGN is turned on the cam switches from 'parking mode' to full record. When you turn the ignition off, after a preset time, usually just a few minutes it switches back to parking mode.
These hardwire kits tend to have a battery voltage detector so if they start to drain too much they turn off.

If you look earlier in this thread steve_m has listed the option connector pins and permanent power and IGN and/or ACC is in there as well.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on October 04, 2020, 09:43:36 AM
Finally got my Nextbase front and rear cams installed yesterday by a local autoelectrician, they hardwired the cams through a spare fuse in the fusebox.

Asked them to photograph the fusebox which they did and I am waiting for them to email the pics, will post it when they arrive.

While talking to them they said that all wiring must not crossover any airbags. This is especially true for the power cable, if it crosses over the A pillar airbag when the airbags deploy the force will rip the front cam off the windscreen and is liable to cause serious injury.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on October 04, 2020, 12:04:58 PM
Correct, you need to be careful with the A pillar wiring. Mine is up the gap between the pillar and the door rubber.

Never poke it behind the plastic A pillar cover.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on October 04, 2020, 07:15:11 PM
Mk4 Fusebox images.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on October 05, 2020, 04:08:11 AM
If you go back to post #29, page 2, by steve_m can you get a shot of the connector socket marked 'A', front on.

If I can get a good shot of the 4 pin connector I can see if the third party option connector supplier has them.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on October 05, 2020, 10:02:40 AM
The photos were taken by the autoelectrician when he was installing the hardwire kit not by myself so sorry not able to get more taken.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Steve_M on October 05, 2020, 10:16:24 AM
If you go back to post #29, page 2, by steve_m can you get a shot of the connector socket marked 'A', front on.

If I can get a good shot of the 4 pin connector I can see if the third party option connector supplier has them.

The second image is the option connector that I described in my previous posts.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on October 05, 2020, 10:20:39 AM
Ah, right, couldn't make out the pins.

I think he'll want a square on shot showing them. I've asked him exactly what he wants as he just said it wasn't what he needed. Not exactly a helpful reply from him.

Watch this space ......
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on October 06, 2020, 12:24:50 PM
I've had a closer look at the suppliers website.

I 'think' it has to be one of these but who knows which one ? :

(https://i.imgur.com/JVWJAvs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QrpNiZB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Fuzn6FA.jpg)
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Roman on October 18, 2020, 06:38:29 AM
Hello

I found  finished option coupler from Amazon Japan for FIT E:HEV GR3
But this coupler can by sent only to japanese address so if someone intrested to buy one should use company that can forward from Japan.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/Removal-Optional-Coupler-Recorder-Accessories/dp/B085MSF43B/ref=pd_sbs_263_2/357-8155477-3759727?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B085MSF43B&pd_rd_r=b42aae5f-50c9-489a-85ef-8025a21431af&pd_rd_w=OSiTJ&pd_rd_wg=WxlNi&pf_rd_p=4acc31d7-eae8-4ee9-8e37-275fb9bc20c2&pf_rd_r=MZPYA9V9HDF4DBRE18BB&psc=1&refRID=MZPYA9V9HDF4DBRE18BB#customerReviews (https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/Removal-Optional-Coupler-Recorder-Accessories/dp/B085MSF43B/ref=pd_sbs_263_2/357-8155477-3759727?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B085MSF43B&pd_rd_r=b42aae5f-50c9-489a-85ef-8025a21431af&pd_rd_w=OSiTJ&pd_rd_wg=WxlNi&pf_rd_p=4acc31d7-eae8-4ee9-8e37-275fb9bc20c2&pf_rd_r=MZPYA9V9HDF4DBRE18BB&psc=1&refRID=MZPYA9V9HDF4DBRE18BB#customerReviews)
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on October 18, 2020, 08:15:30 AM
What you've found isn't the option connector but some small shielded crimp connectors, as I mentioned in a possible solution higher up..

You can make them yourself.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Roman on October 18, 2020, 09:07:10 AM
It`s have connector
but they post bad image - overexposed so connector itself wanished

(https://i.ibb.co/pZS02z2/312zk-JTHfr-L-AC-corrected-light.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on October 18, 2020, 10:27:09 AM
I'd love a closeup of that connector to see which of my images, if any, it resembles
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Roman on October 18, 2020, 10:41:41 AM
I ordered it.
Will post image when get it
I think it`s similar to first pic that you post
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Roman on November 22, 2020, 10:46:01 PM
Finaly my order arrived !!!
Now ordering from Japan if this not Amazon slightly problematic because of COVID
Used Zenmarket.jp for forwarding orders.

As i promised i posting images of cables with connector
(https://i.ibb.co/R9sJqzP/20201122-235557.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PNPVdw4)
(https://i.ibb.co/HCqS8mq/20201123-000023.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Kr7bPr)
(https://i.ibb.co/VqpbNCs/20201123-003456.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hm1rMdS)
(https://i.ibb.co/0Kcz8d5/20201123-003449.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C6zSNTL)
Another one with option to plug some aditional equpment that may by already connected to plug we need
(https://i.ibb.co/cxnmJcV/20201122-235553.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DL2q4DT)
Both cables come with fuse and instructions
(https://i.ibb.co/GRW48Pp/20201122-235650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CQb3Y08)
(https://i.ibb.co/pzxw6wG/20201122-235719.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vPHqCqg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zfpY8bw/20201122-235659.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x5W0mGQ)
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Roman on November 22, 2020, 10:52:16 PM
And for DIY dash cam instalation excellent video from youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i68GMLn4D2c&list=LL&index=36&t=91s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i68GMLn4D2c&list=LL&index=36&t=91s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2tUaiWb6Y0&list=LL&index=35 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2tUaiWb6Y0&list=LL&index=35)
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on November 23, 2020, 04:20:07 AM
Thanks for those photos.

Which one of those plugs into the option connector socket as highlighted by Steve_M on page 2 as socket A ?
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Roman on November 23, 2020, 09:59:51 AM
Both plugs for socket A, ordered 2 different models from different shops, one with 2 plugs used for cars with original equpment connected to socket A
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on November 23, 2020, 11:17:25 AM
Nearly there .....

I've sent him this as the socket A plug:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ao7UhM1.jpg)

What is needed now is a photo of as much of the fusebox as possible but ideally a closeup of the socket A:
(https://i.imgur.com/9COVt2H.jpg)
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: 123Drive! on November 23, 2020, 05:35:32 PM
I m looking at the Nextbase 222x or 322. Is it true that it has a small battery inside so even if the car is off, it will come on if someone hits your car? Or does it has to hardwired to live fuse like hazard warning light? Many thanks for your clarification.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: BigRon on November 23, 2020, 06:36:40 PM
The Nextbase series 2 dash cam battery only has about 15 minutes running time available. I have a 322 hardwired through the ignition on so that is only works with the engine on.

I believe that it has the technology not to rundown the battery if you have it hardwired to an always live feed.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Jocko on November 23, 2020, 07:35:27 PM
I had my Nextbase 512G set to trigger on shock (car bumped when parked). The problem is these files are locked to prevent overwriting, and potholes and the like can also result in files being locked too. Unless you reformat the card at regular intervals, you end up with the entire card (or most of it locked). I ended up down to 20 minutes recording before it started to overwrite. I only found this out when I tried to view an incident that happened an hour earlier!
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Cobb2 on November 23, 2020, 08:35:10 PM
I've added a Nextbase 322 and a rear cam fitted to the side of it ( just on the passenger side of the mirror)- so no need to run a wire through to the back hatch. So far I've been quite impressed with the quality of the front and rear cam (the latter giving a very similar view to the rear mirror ). But if you have rear passengers that will restrict the view a little.
I've used the suction pad so I could be sure that I had the right position

I haven't hard wired yet and may not bother since its very easy to hide all of the wiring  just along the windscreen edge, door rubber and then under the door seal and eventually behind the glove box coming through to the 12v socket - so really I'm not aware of the  wiring. In a Crosstar with 2 USB's its not likely I'll need the 12v accessory whilst driving.

It is worth mentioning that a good quality U3 64gb SD card  did not work very well and unfortunately I had to buy a Nextbase one which is somewhat more expensive but does work efficiently. Several other people have reported this problem in online reviews.

I've noticed that there are currently some good offers this week at Halfords or at Nextbase, especially the latter if you want to add the side rear cam as well.
If you set up the camera in the controls it does indeed have a very small battery in it which should record a parked car incident.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: 123Drive! on November 24, 2020, 12:34:31 AM
I've added a Nextbase 322 and a rear cam fitted to the side of it ( just on the passenger side of the mirror)- so no need to run a wire through to the back hatch. So far I've been quite impressed with the quality of the front and rear cam (the latter giving a very similar view to the rear mirror ). But if you have rear passengers that will restrict the view a little.
I've used the suction pad so I could be sure that I had the right position

I haven't hard wired yet and may not bother since its very easy to hide all of the wiring  just along the windscreen edge, door rubber and then under the door seal and eventually behind the glove box coming through to the 12v socket - so really I'm not aware of the  wiring. In a Crosstar with 2 USB's its not likely I'll need the 12v accessory whilst driving.

It is worth mentioning that a good quality U3 64gb SD card  did not work very well and unfortunately I had to buy a Nextbase one which is somewhat more expensive but does work efficiently. Several other people have reported this problem in online reviews.

I've noticed that there are currently some good offers this week at Halfords or at Nextbase, especially the latter if you want to add the side rear cam as well.
If you set up the camera in the controls it does indeed have a very small battery in it which should record a parked car incident.
Appreciate Cobb2 for the information. Looks like I might have to get the Nextbase SD card. But I will need to hardwired because my 12v is needed for my Garmin dashcam which also has a rear revising camera as I m driving a GE MK2.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on November 24, 2020, 05:11:51 AM
I've had 3 Nextbase models 402, 412 and 380. I was never fully happy with any of them. The main issue being the vibration caused over less than perfect roads with the ball joint mount. Plus hanging down on a stalk never impressed me.

I never had any battery issues but some have according to the Dashcamtalk site.

After a lot of research I got a Viofo A119 V2 and subsequently a V3. They are superb little discrete cameras. Never had a single issue, plus they are supercapacitor.

The V3 now has QuadHD @ 60fps. Here is a download link to a sample of mine at 2560x1440P 60fps:

>> Krem Viofo A119 V3 sample << (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wjucpqdnuonwvuo/Krem%20Viofo%20Sample.MP4?dl=1)

(https://i.imgur.com/gMqfNDE.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Jocko on November 24, 2020, 07:16:36 AM
Looks good. Slightly higher definition than my Nextbase 512G, seen here.

Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Kremmen on November 24, 2020, 08:26:23 AM
I ran my Nextbase dashcams without realising the vibration issue. It was only after reading other posts and looking at the stationary parked windscreen wipers 'video vibrating' and closely looking at how it affected the overall footage I changed.

Initially I went for the Nextbase 380 but the resolution was lower and it has no method of attaching a CPL. Enter the Viofo with a good solid mount, discrete and a dedicated CPL.

Proper Job, and cheaper than Nextbase.

I posted my raw file because the likes of YouTube compress the footage and make it look worse than it is.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: Cobb2 on November 24, 2020, 12:38:33 PM
Im not sure what garmin dash cam you have Drive 123! but I have hardwired a garmin 55 dash cam into another car. This is very small compared to many cameras and this model has the advantage of various driver alerts such as going over speed limits and speed camera warnings. This runs very well on a normal SanDisk SD card.
It is possible to get a 12v accessory splitter into a double socket but it can be a bit cumbersome, or alternatively a single plug with a lead that converts into a double socket which could be hidden.
Title: Re: Dash Cam Hardwire Installation
Post by: 123Drive! on November 24, 2020, 03:27:16 PM
Im not sure what garmin dash cam you have Drive 123! but I have hardwired a garmin 55 dash cam into another car. This is very small compared to many cameras and this model has the advantage of various driver alerts such as going over speed limits and speed camera warnings. This runs very well on a normal SanDisk SD card.
It is possible to get a 12v accessory splitter into a double socket but it can be a bit cumbersome, or alternatively a single plug with a lead that converts into a double socket which could be hidden.

I actually have the Garmin NuviCam and Driveassits 51 which are Satnav but also has a dashcam. They are good but unfortunately as I have to remove it every night, I don't have a park function and so i have been hit and run when it was parked.