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Title: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: dfconnolly on June 05, 2020, 05:41:01 PM
The car magazines have reported back that they ahve been testing the new HONDA JAZZ HYBRID models this week:-



Andrew Brady    11 hours ago
Hi David

We've covered the Honda E here: www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/honda/e-2019/

We've driven the new Honda Jazz this week. Reviews will be appearing from next week.

Hope this helps.

and from "What Car"........ :'(

"Hi David

Unfortunately the Jazz driving event was postponed because of the lockdown, which is why there aren't any reviews of it online yet. However, it took place earlier this week and our review of the car will be live on whatcar.com at 6am this Saturday.(6 June) :'( I hope you enjoy reading it at last!

Kind regards

Claire"

BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEY REPORT ON IT!!!
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on June 06, 2020, 08:54:11 AM
Here's the What Car review https://www.whatcar.com/honda/jazz/hatchback/review/n17343 .

The vehicle is excellent for internal space but marked down for performance and driveability. I wouldn't expect the motorway performance to match something with a turbo engine but the comment about the CVT gearbox causing high engine revs during hard acceleration is a little worrying. Firstly as it means the tester hasn't appreciated that there isn't a CVT gearbox and secondly because the 55dB internal noise level claimed by the specs isn't very representative. The likely cause for significant engine noise during hard acceleration is that the engine is having to work hard to generate electricity as the battery won't provide much power for very long. Typical Jazz users will have to find out for themselves how the vehicle behaves under their normal driving conditions.

There's the usual comment about the firm ride (not helped by the 16" wheels with lower profile tyres on the EX). There's also a comment about the Crosstar having a softer ride and I wonder if this is fact or speculation as I've not seen it mentioned in the Honda info.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Downsizer on June 06, 2020, 10:32:17 AM
Generally a positive review, but it seems the What Car reviewer has misunderstood the engineering by referring to a gearbox.  As I understand it engine revs may vary when the engine is acting as a generator, as the power required varies, but at high speeds with direct engine drive to the wheels, the revs will be directly proportional to the speed.  The rough fuel consumption estimate of over 60 mpg is encouraging - reviewers are usually rather heavy-footed!  And where do they find a starting price of £14800?
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: dfconnolly on June 06, 2020, 02:52:59 PM
Be interesting to see what HJ report this week and doubtless Autoexpress and Autocar will follow.

Probably need to keep an eye on YouTube for video reviews from Carwow, Greencar, and others.........




In the absence of the availability to get a test drive here in North Wales due to Covid restrictions I guess this will have to do for now!!
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Derkie54 on June 06, 2020, 05:18:20 PM
Generally a positive review, but it seems the What Car reviewer has misunderstood the engineering by referring to a gearbox.  As I understand it engine revs may vary when the engine is acting as a generator, as the power required varies, but at high speeds with direct engine drive to the wheels, the revs will be directly proportional to the speed.  The rough fuel consumption estimate of over 60 mpg is encouraging - reviewers are usually rather heavy-footed!  And where do they find a starting price of £14800?

Autocar review has a starting price of £12935 ?

Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Downsizer on June 06, 2020, 06:34:24 PM

Autocar review has a starting price of £12935 ?
I think that was for the Mk 3, written in 2015.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS What Car
Post by: csp on June 07, 2020, 07:10:41 AM
What Car Jazz EX Review
Like the other journalists What Car have driven the new Jazz EX Hybrid and reviewed the range, the SR model comes out as their favorite which would also be my choice.

The colours available are disappointing though, online the White looks best to me but is it really worth an extra £550 when Crystal Black Pearl is a no cost option.

Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: dfconnolly on June 07, 2020, 12:23:34 PM
Just read this weeks Autoexpress and itís stating on the back page:

ďNEXT WEEK......Driven
At the wheel of the New Honda Jazz

The actual review is

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/jazz/352449/new-honda-jazz-2020-review


We try all-new Japanese rival for Ford Fiesta on the Road in Britain.Ē

Time to change to a Ford Fiesta.......NOT!

A Fiesta couldnít accommodate our two bicycles for a start! Might be worth reading to see if any more information can be teased out of what will doubtless be a stereotypical biased review!
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: jazzaro on June 07, 2020, 02:05:55 PM
Generally a positive review, but it seems the What Car reviewer has misunderstood the engineering by referring to a gearbox.  As I understand it engine revs may vary when the engine is acting as a generator, as the power required varies, but at high speeds with direct engine drive to the wheels, the revs will be directly proportional to the speed. 
The direct drive comes only nearly at cruising speed, when the car speed is more or less stable. Before reaching this condition, it's better to stay in hybrid mode because revs can be higher gaining more horse power; engaging the clutch, the engine  has  to stay at lower revs, maybe with higher torque but with lower power.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on June 09, 2020, 09:34:23 PM
More reviews:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/honda/jazz/first-drives/honda-jazz-crosstar-2020-uk-review notes the glare in the windscreen from the top of the dashboard - that's one of my concerns.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/honda/jazz-0

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/honda/jazz/hatchback/review

https://www.parkers.co.uk/honda/jazz/review/
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Jocko on June 09, 2020, 10:28:21 PM
Not the best of reviews. Any of them. Must try a test drive when that is allowed in Scotland.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: jazzaro on June 10, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
Not the best but not the worst.
Complaints coming from press reviews are mainly about the sound of the engine with gas pedal floored, and about stiff suspensions on potholes. Whatcar says that some other cars are punchier, i.e  Polo and Fiesta with 140hp, to me it's clear that a car with 140hp is punchier than another with 108hp..
This Jazz in Europe will fight against Toyota Yaris, not against Polo and Clio.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Muldoon on June 10, 2020, 11:55:56 AM
Not the best but not the worst.
Complaints coming from press reviews are mainly about the sound of the engine with gas pedal floored, and about stiff suspensions on potholes. Whatcar says that some other cars are punchier, i.e  Polo and Fiesta with 140hp, to me it's clear that a car with 140hp is punchier than another with 108hp..
This Jazz in Europe will fight against Toyota Yaris, not against Polo and Clio.

I agree. The Jazz has always been a niche product, excellent at some things but more average at others. The press seem completely obsessed by handling and how cars 'feel alive' and respond like the Ford Fiesta as if everyone who drives a car must press on and push the thing to it's limits. For 90% of motorists it's more important to score well on reliability, practicality, running costs. The Jazz seems strong in all of these, ignoring the higher purchase cost which is probably due to the extra tech on board. If you factor in low depreciation and the potential to keep the Jazz 10 years or so (so long as the technology is reliable) then it's a more intelligent purchase than owning 3 or 4 Fiestas over the equivalent period.

I see it gaining a lot of new fans over time once the positive aspects are slowly realised. All cars are going this way with the demise of the petrol engine, manual transmission etc. Probably the next version of the Jazz will be fully electric, for now a clever hybrid is the limit of development balanced with practical use.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Downsizer on June 10, 2020, 12:48:19 PM
I like the Autoexpress report of 70mpg+.  Even allowing for the trip computer exaggerating by, say, 7 or 8 %, it's clearly economical for average driving.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: culzean on June 10, 2020, 12:51:48 PM
Engineering is full of compromises. To get maximum interior ( usable ) space for example - you may to compromise on suspension and go for more compact torsion beam than for other setups that give better handling - so you get a vehicle with interior space easily equal to next size up in a smaller footprint.  Honda have always been good at maximising interior space - they have a name for it 'man maximum - machine minimum'.  No good having a better handling car if you cannot get your luggage in and passengers are cramped.  My brother in law went through a phase of going camping ( don't ask me why ) and was gobsmacked at the amount of stuff he could easily get into a Civic that he struggled to or simply could not get in his previous Volvo,  which was a larger car.   Throw in reliability of Honda which is crucial for older drivers and its a no brainer - we need a new generation of realistic road testers who do not have to pander to companies that buy most advertising space in their magazines or give the most 'perks'...
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Jocko on June 10, 2020, 01:10:52 PM
The popular of the Dacia Duster is evidence of how little motoring journalist know.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: JazzMusic on June 10, 2020, 03:12:29 PM
I was looking forward to read the latest reviews and the most honest ones seem to origin from the UK.

I do like the car but I didn't like the read that the suspension is maybe a little bit stiff (harsh?) for bad roads around town. Some note it might be better with 15'' wheels. My experience is that smaller wheels won't cure an overly stiff suspension. I'm done with harsh suspensions. I'll give it a try for sure but the suspension will be a killer arguement.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/jazz/352449/new-honda-jazz-2020-review

Admittedly, this make-up suits the Jazzís character Ė and its likely customer base Ė but on that score we have more concerns about the ride quality. Thereís sophistication there, but itís still too easily upset by broken surfaces Ė the types of road we have lots of in UK towns and cities. Itís another reason why the more modest trim levels might be worth a look, since they sit on 15-inch wheels instead of the EXís 16s.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: dfconnolly on June 10, 2020, 04:20:29 PM
Thanks for the extra links John,

Re Windscreen reflections.....may be polarised driving glasses might be a help?

More reviews:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/honda/jazz/first-drives/honda-jazz-crosstar-2020-uk-review notes the glare in the windscreen from the top of the dashboard - that's one of my concerns.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/honda/jazz-0

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/honda/jazz/hatchback/review

https://www.parkers.co.uk/honda/jazz/review/
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on June 10, 2020, 04:22:55 PM
The Parkers review of the Crosstar https://www.parkers.co.uk/honda/jazz/crosstar/review/ reckons that it has 30mm more travel in the suspension - somethat that is plausible given that the body is higher than the normal Jazz - and thus gives a better ride.

The Jazz EX has the lowest profile tyres (185/55 R16) of the various models. The more basic Jazzes have 185/60 R15 while the Crosstar has 185/60 R16). Lower profile means less sidewall to flex and provide primary suspension. 5mm isn't much but it all helps.

I reckon that 70 mpg should be feasible provided the vehicle doesn't spend much time in the fast lane on motorways. The WLTP mpg figures look good except for the "extra high" part of the cycle. I suspect that the engine is outside its most efficient range at 70 mph or more and the aerodynamic resistance rapid increases with speed due to the relatively high and short body (no change from the previous Jazzes in that respect). And it shouldn't be necessary to drive with a very light right foot in order to get good mpg. Brief demands for extra power can be met by the battery while pushing the brake pedal should put energy into the battery instead of heating up the discs.

None of the reviews I've read so far have indicated the cruising speed where direct drive (the most efficient mode) cuts in. Will it cruise in direct drive at 1000 rpm and 30 mph (or even lower?) with the battery and motor available to provide instand extra power and torque if needed?

Thanks for the extra links John,

Re Windscreen reflections.....may be polarised driving glasses might be a help?
I know from experience that they make a big difference. However, since I already wear specs I have to remember to put them on before I start a journey.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: jazzaro on June 10, 2020, 04:39:01 PM
Commenting official mpg data, we must say that the MK4 always beats the MK3, low, medium, high or extra-high. I want to see further detailed tests, but I think that they will confirm the wltp pattern, with a MK4 better than my 1.3 Mk3.
Surely in highway mode the 1.5 won't stay in the best efficient range, but this is true for every engine. But while at low speed the ICE can be switched off and stay off for most of the time, so saving fuel, at higher speeds this cannot happen and this will reduce the difference between it and a standard engine. Anyway even at high speed  the 1.5 98hp should be more efficient than a 1.3 102hp, since its extra-high values are better.
None of the reviews I've read so far have indicated the cruising speed where direct drive (the most efficient mode) cuts in. Will it cruise in direct drive at 1000 rpm and 30 mph (or even lower?) with the battery and motor available to provide instand extra power and torque if needed?
Reading infos from some american and japanese forums about the I-MMD of Accord and Insight, there isn't a precise speed when the system engages the clutch. This mainly  happens depending from how much the gas pedal is pressed, better, from the difference between the present speed and the desired speed, because the clutch engages when this difference is low. The electric motor can help the ICE in direct drive mode, but only if the battery is well charged and only for low speed increases: if you are at 75mph, stable and in direct drive mode, and you want to increase slighty the speed, then the car will stay in direct drive and the electric motor will help the ICE to reach the higher requested speed. But if you floor the pedal, then the clutch will be disengaged and the car will be back in hybrid mode to accelerate faster.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on June 10, 2020, 06:34:05 PM
This review is relatively short but positive https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-reviews/honda-jazz-hybrid-2020-review/ .
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Downsizer on June 10, 2020, 07:16:10 PM
This review is relatively short but positive https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-reviews/honda-jazz-hybrid-2020-review/ .
What is the point of mimicking automatic gear-changes when in hybrid mode?  The writer certainly has a down on the Mk3, with multiple references to build quality, which I don't recognise, at least from a reliability perspective; aesthetics are matters of opinion.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on June 23, 2020, 03:35:13 PM
Here's another fairly positive review https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/first-drive/2020-honda-jazz-hybrid-jazz-crosstar-hybrid-review/ . I still can't find a proper Honest John review.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Downsizer on June 23, 2020, 04:24:12 PM
Here's another fairly positive review https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/first-drive/2020-honda-jazz-hybrid-jazz-crosstar-hybrid-review/ . I still can't find a proper Honest John review.
"Superb package" is certainly good to see.  The reference to 100 mpg in a hybrid Yaris is hard to believe!
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: richardfrost on June 23, 2020, 05:53:42 PM
Here's another fairly positive review https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/first-drive/2020-honda-jazz-hybrid-jazz-crosstar-hybrid-review/ . I still can't find a proper Honest John review.
"Superb package" is certainly good to see.  The reference to 100 mpg in a hybrid Yaris is hard to believe!

I am waiting for the Yaris to land in actuality and get reviewed before I finalise my list, which currently only has the Jazz Mk4 and the Crossbar on it. But then I am not in a rush.

EDIT: Autocorrect keeps changing Crosstar to Crossbar!
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on June 24, 2020, 09:37:20 PM
Another positive review https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/honda/jazz-hybrid/ .
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on June 27, 2020, 01:43:44 PM
This review https://www.completecar.ie/car-reviews/article/Honda/Jazz/Jazz_hybrid_(2020)/1682/10156/2020-Honda-Jazz-hybrid-(2020)-review.html gives the car 4.5 stars out of 5. The author must be more typical of the average Jazz owner.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Downsizer on June 27, 2020, 02:59:10 PM
Another positive review https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/honda/jazz-hybrid/ .
I like the suggestion that CVT stands for "continuously vocal transmission", although I suppose it could be an autocorrection like Richard Frost's "Crossbar"!
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on June 28, 2020, 06:04:50 PM
I like the suggestion that CVT stands for "continuously vocal transmission", although I suppose it could be an autocorrection like Richard Frost's "Crossbar"!
Honda describe the transmission as "eCVT" which is technically correct but reviewers are latching on to the CVT letters and conveying the impression that there's the usual problem of engine speed continuously varying.This might be true (the vehicle has no tachometer display) but on my test drive the engine was exceptionally quiet except when I pushed hard on the accelerator while climbing a hill whereupon the engine moved to a higher more audible, but constant, speed which wasn't annoying. In addition, Honda's specs suggest that they have improved the soundproofing.

One of my plans when I get the keys to my Crosstar is to see if I can put a techometer display on the big screen so I can see what the engine is doing. I've got a bluetooth OBDII reader which I can pair with my phone and then hope that Android Auto will let me display an OBDII app on the big screen. If that doesn't work then something like this should https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07JWDQ6V2 .
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Jocko on June 28, 2020, 06:40:06 PM
If that doesn't work then something like this should https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07JWDQ6V2 .
I have one of those and it is great. Mine does not connect to the OBD port so it does not display the engine details, just the GPS, but it is value for money.

(https://i.imgur.com/rRHd2Lb.jpg)

Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: richardfrost on June 28, 2020, 08:46:27 PM
Other than for the curiosity of it, Iím not sure how interesting the Rev display will be. The RAV4 Hybrid has no tachometer and if it did it would be a complete distraction as it shows the engine stopping, starting again, then running at constant revs or revs not correlating with what the car is doing. Instead, it has a display showing when you are on electric, charging or in power mode, I.e. engine is generating but also adding motive power.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on June 29, 2020, 07:49:58 AM
Other than for the curiosity of it, Iím not sure how interesting the Rev display will be.
Yes, curiosity and understanding how the engine behaves (eg does it run in particular rev bands and how do they sound?) would be the objective. It doesn't need to be an everyday display.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: richardfrost on July 02, 2020, 08:03:11 PM
Well I wonder if it will have a screen like this which tells me what I need to know about what the engine, battery and motors are doing.

The first shows all four wheels returning energy to the battery, so the arrows are green and into the battery.

The second shows the front wheels being driven by electric (yellow) and engine (red) power with arrows going to the wheels. Also, the engine is charging the battery.

The third is like the second but the rear wheels are also being driven by their own electric motor. This happens under heavier loads and when the traction control detects it is necessary.

Understanding the engine revs during all of this is almost meaningless I would argue.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on July 03, 2020, 08:21:05 AM
Well I wonder if it will have a screen like this which tells me what I need to know about what the engine, battery and motors are doing.
One of the options for the multi-function display within the main instrument cluster shows coloured animated graphics similar to those on page 15 of the Jazz user handbook and show the four different operating conditions: Electric Vehicle (EV); Hybrid Vehicle (HV); Engine (Direct Drive); and Regeneration. It's quite small and not so easy to read with a quick glance. The handbook doesn't show that this information can be displayed on the big screen so that passengers can get a grasp of what's happening under the bonnet.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: ColinB on July 03, 2020, 09:08:27 AM
Well I wonder if it will have a screen like this which tells me what I need to know about what the engine, battery and motors are doing.
One of the options for the multi-function display within the main instrument cluster shows coloured animated graphics similar to those on page 15 of the Jazz user handbook and show the four different operating conditions: Electric Vehicle (EV); Hybrid Vehicle (HV); Engine (Direct Drive); and Regeneration. It's quite small and not so easy to read with a quick glance. The handbook doesn't show that this information can be displayed on the big screen so that passengers can get a grasp of what's happening under the bonnet.

Not being a hybrid owner, I donít quite understand the function of this sort of display. Does the driver actually need to see this sort of thing, is there anything there that he can react to (eg by modifying driving style) in the same way that an mpg display is useful? Or is it just a bit of ďHey, look at the pretty lights!Ē bling? If the latter then it sounds like an unnecessary driver distraction. Why not just trust the car to do itís job of delivering power to the wheels without being distracted by monitoring exactly how itís doing it?
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: richardfrost on July 03, 2020, 09:26:07 AM
This particular display is really only interesting to me when I want to know the state of the battery or when the rear while drive has kicked in. Itís really a gimmick from the early days of hybrid. The newer Toyota Hybrid system is cleverer I believe and the Yaris I had as a courtesy car had a B setting which stands for battery recharge, which you can engage on downhills instead of braking. I presume it is like engine braking and doesnít light up the brake lights. On mine I flip the stick over to manual and engage a virtual low gear to recharge rather than using the brake pedal, but only on long downhill sections.

So the display is useful if you want to know the state of the battery and the engine mode to try and optimise things. But in reality, that is missing the point of the car and 99% of the time I just leave it to do itís thing. It is very clever and the newer generation Toyota system is even cleverer.

I have to say I love the hybrid concept as a stop gap to full electric and I have pretty much convinced myself, pending a test drive, that I will swap to a Jazz or Crosstar in the next 9 months. One of the huge advantages Honda has for me is that along with Nissan they are the only dealerships in Halifax, my nearest town. I can run the 4 miles home from there. Toyota is over 10 busy miles away in the next valley, and that makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: Muldoon on July 03, 2020, 10:24:02 AM
Well I wonder if it will have a screen like this which tells me what I need to know about what the engine, battery and motors are doing.
One of the options for the multi-function display within the main instrument cluster shows coloured animated graphics similar to those on page 15 of the Jazz user handbook and show the four different operating conditions: Electric Vehicle (EV); Hybrid Vehicle (HV); Engine (Direct Drive); and Regeneration. It's quite small and not so easy to read with a quick glance. The handbook doesn't show that this information can be displayed on the big screen so that passengers can get a grasp of what's happening under the bonnet.

Not being a hybrid owner, I donít quite understand the function of this sort of display. Does the driver actually need to see this sort of thing, is there anything there that he can react to (eg by modifying driving style) in the same way that an mpg display is useful? Or is it just a bit of ďHey, look at the pretty lights!Ē bling? If the latter then it sounds like an unnecessary driver distraction. Why not just trust the car to do itís job of delivering power to the wheels without being distracted by monitoring exactly how itís doing it?

I agree, most people just put it into drive and press the pedal. Fiddling with displays gets boring after a while.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: John Ratsey on July 03, 2020, 03:06:11 PM
This particular display is really only interesting to me when I want to know the state of the battery or when the rear while drive has kicked in. Itís really a gimmick from the early days of hybrid. The newer Toyota Hybrid system is cleverer I believe and the Yaris I had as a courtesy car had a B setting which stands for battery recharge, which you can engage on downhills instead of braking. I presume it is like engine braking and doesnít light up the brake lights.

I have to say I love the hybrid concept as a stop gap to full electric and I have pretty much convinced myself, pending a test drive, that I will swap to a Jazz or Crosstar in the next 9 months.
The Mk 4 Jazz has a permanent battery status gauge in the instrument display (vertical bar near the left side with a similar vertical bar on the right side for the petrol). The Mk 4 Jazz also has the B mode on the gear shift (where S is on the CVT). I tried the B mode when I did my test drive and it is a very effective equivalent to engine braking. Perhap too effective as it can surprise the drivers of following vehicles.

I look on the power flow display as being part of understanding how the vehicle operates. Once I'm familiar with the sounds and the way the vehicle feels then that display becomes of less interest - that's what happened with my previous hybrid Jazz.

Hybrids make a lot of sense for many many drivers. Better fuel economy and performance than  non-hybrid without jugging around a big lump of extra weight and worrying about where to next charge it. I thought hard last year about getting an EV and discovered that the typical cost of using a public charger was 30p/kWh. Assuming 4 miles / kWh that's 7.5p per mile compared to about 1.5p/mile when charging at home using an EV charging tariff (eg the Octopus Go). So there woudn't be much fuel cost saving on longer trips compared to using a hybrid with the latter not having the range anxiety problem.
Title: Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
Post by: peteo48 on July 03, 2020, 04:55:19 PM
Just picking up on Richard's point about location of dealerships it is absolutely an issue. Warrington is a large town but the only Vauxhall dealer closed a couple of years ago and a pal of mine has to take his car to St Helens - OK not that far but it takes up half a day as he waits for the car to be serviced. He's had Vauxhalls for years but will change next time on the basis of access to a main dealer.

This is much less of an issue if you buy an older car of course. Given the new Jazz's complex drive train, I'd want to be near a dealer.