Clubjazz - Honda Jazz & HR-V Forums

Other Hondas & General Topics => Off Topic (Non-Honda) => Topic started by: Kenneve on April 27, 2018, 11:10:44 AM

Title: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Kenneve on April 27, 2018, 11:10:44 AM
A somewhat tongue in cheek report from Petrolprices.com shows that the UK's worst driver is someone called John, driving a Fiesta and this car is the most likely car to be involved in an accident. (my apologies to anyone named John reading this)
For some years I have always thought that BMW drivers were the most inconsiderate, usually driving 6" from my rear bumper.

More recently I have revised that opinion and now regard the 3 most inconsiderate drivers to those driving an Audi A4 or A5, followed by a Porsche SUV, and followed by many other large SUV vehicles, usually driven by women.
At the other end of the scale the VW Golf features highly.
It would seem that the Honda Jazz and maybe other similar size cars are considered fair game to these drivers and we should not have the temerity to get in their way.

I generally try to adhere to the prevailing speed limits, which usually results in the aforementioned situation.

Or is it just me????
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: culzean on April 27, 2018, 11:19:24 AM
One thing I have noticed about BMW drivers is once they have decided to overtake they do not often back off even when rapidly approaching you on the wrong side of the road,  they expect you to brake or swerve into the hedge to clear their path. 

Has anyone ever ventured into the BMW lane on a motorway,  I have a few times but I try to make sure no BMW's in the vicinity as the punishment can often be being flashed by their dazzling headlights and an irritated scowl even though you are obviously overtaking other traffic (like two HGV having a contest for the 'worlds slowest overtake' to get in Guinness world records).
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: madasafish on April 27, 2018, 02:07:02 PM
Audi drivers passing at 60mph in a 30mph limit are my bete noir. Coupled with the "my indicators  do not work for plebs like you" Audi and BMW drivers and the 4x4 drivers who cannot park and drive at 15mph in snow. Fortunately they don't go on the single track roads I use to go to beekeeping as most 4x4s are too wide and their owners know they don't work well on mud - so force me in the Jazz to go onto the verge so they can pass. Michelin Cross Climate tyres means I have more grip than them with their "optimised for fuel economy" tyres.

(a 4x4 with summer tyres gets easily stuck in mud especially with some of the drivers who have no idea. - But then I drove LandRovers as a student in the 1960s up and down hillsides in Perthshire)
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: auntyneddy on April 27, 2018, 02:28:08 PM
There used to be a time when keeping a car clean was the norm, now the 'BIG' boys in their BMW/AUDI/ RANGE ROVERS/ VAUXHALL INISNIA's ( the new Mondeo reps car) keep the rear end of the car as dirty as they can presumably to beat speed cameras. It amazes me how little forward vision these drivers have especially as they persist in driving too fast. My regular A30 trip popping along a circa 70mph and persistently being ordered to get out of the way, I am amazed how I can see the old speed van at the side of the road and yet they never see them till they are on top of them with the resultant panic braking.
I do agree with the comment about ladies of the opposite sex driving large SUV's right up the car in fronts jaxxie. I know they can see over the top of my humble Jazz but this doesn't seem to improve their forward planning.
I see the driving test is being or has been altered yet again, I don't suppose it will make any difference as they seem to forget all as soon as they pass their test. In many countries, I believe Australia is one they have to have a 'P' plate, do they then have to take another test? I think a year after passing a test another should be taken perhaps that MIGHT make them remember what they have been presumably taught.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: culzean on April 27, 2018, 03:08:54 PM
Women's driving seems to be getting worse (if that is possible) and multitasking seems to be a myth for being able to do a couple of things at the same time badly and nothing well (i.e. can't even single task properly). I saw a recent article saying women were by far the most distracted drivers and did silly things like putting make up on while driving.

As for German car drivers , female 4x4 drivers (and white van drivers including German white vans) right up your jacksie when you are doing speed limit I normally just take my foot off accelerator and gradually slow down, they either overtake or back off and I go back to speed limit.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: peteo48 on April 27, 2018, 06:10:05 PM
I have, for many years, referred to the outside lane as the BMW lane. I had a BMW once and felt entitled to use it! Somebody then said Audi drivers were the absolute pits so I became more aware of them (I also have had an Audi but I never thought I had my own lane when I had it - an Audi 80 btw).

Strenuously trying to avoid confirmation bias, I have concluded that the worst driver league table looks like this:

1) Audis - all of them
2) BMW
3) Mercedes
4) Porsche but only the Cayenne - 911 drivers are OK.
5) Young men in 10 year old Corsas.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: ColinS on April 27, 2018, 06:59:40 PM
One observation is that if you ask drivers if they consider themselves above or below average, the vast majority will say the former.  A mathematician may have something to say about that.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: culzean on April 27, 2018, 07:03:58 PM
I have, for many years, referred to the outside lane as the BMW lane. I had a BMW once and felt entitled to use it! Somebody then said Audi drivers were the absolute pits so I became more aware of them (I also have had an Audi but I never thought I had my own lane when I had it - an Audi 80 btw).

Strenuously trying to avoid confirmation bias, I have concluded that the worst driver league table looks like this:

1) Audis - all of them
2) BMW
3) Mercedes
4) Porsche but only the Cayenne - 911 drivers are OK.
5) Young men in 10 year old Corsas.

Looks good to me based on many years driving experience.  The cars you list (except 911 and Corsa) are popular company cars.  911 drivers are probably enthusiasts and proud of their driving skills, and 10 year old Corsa drivers are likely to have seat back right down so they are almost horizontal in car and to wear a baseball cap backwards.

I knew a bloke who had his own company and for many years had owned Jaguars because they did a lot of work for JLR. He decided to have a change and bought a BMW - he didn't keep it long, he was shocked at the amount of 'road rage' the car attracted and not being let out at junctions etc.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Barcam on April 28, 2018, 08:47:00 AM
I vote Audi drivers with 4WD, the worse are thirty something woman who seem obsessed with their mobile phone. How do you pull away safely on a roundabout one handed whilst talking on the phone.

All Audi, BMW and Mercedes hate being over taken by a Jazz no matter what speed they are doing. The lower powered cars can't keep up with my Jazz Sport, I get lots of surprised looks when I start driving away from them. They are so arrogant they think they are the Kings and Queens of the road and think that can park their cars anywhere, dangerous or not.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Jocko on April 28, 2018, 10:01:13 AM
not being let out at junctions etc.
My brother drives a BMW and says that he is never let into traffic streams, or shown any courtesy. And as an ex police driver he is most careful and courteous in his own driving.
As for indicators, there is actually a paragraph in the BMW owners manual saying that, "As a BMW owner you are exempt from having to give traffic signals"!
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: auntyneddy on April 28, 2018, 12:24:22 PM
How on earth did the Jazz get it's reputation for being an old f*rts car. IMHO they are just a s quick as it's contemporaries.  The times I am overtaken by a young female in a Corsa only to have her pull in front of me and drop her speed. I am usually popping along at 70mph and it does make me wonder.
The other day, I had a road test in a car but because there were no auto available I had to go in a stick car. I haven't driven a manual gear box for some 15 plus years and so my attempt I thought would be disaster. No, it all came back. All those hours in an unmarked police car with the instructor and his dreaded cap have certainly paid off
no revs no kangeroos just  a smooth controlled move away. I was quite pleased. I just wonder where these modern drivers keep their brain. Woman opposite when going to work, foot down on the throttle and slip the clutch do they not think about how much a new clutch will be?
It' s not only women putting their make up on while driving, I saw a lorry driver the other day, phone in hand, trying to steer around a bend and change gear. Do these people not read papers/watch proper programs nor listen to what is important. At the moment the beautiful game is so concerned about selling Wembley stadium. One wag said flog the damn thing and perhaps there will be less football on TV. Perhaps all these so called fans would be better employed reading the highway code and REMEMBERING  what it says. I bet there are a few that can quote chapter and verse about who scored what goal in 19 hundred and frozen to death but still do not know it is an offence to use a mobile phone while driving.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: peteo48 on April 28, 2018, 01:35:25 PM
The old farts thing seems to a UK issue. In the far east, from what I read, it's seen as a young persons car.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Jocko on April 28, 2018, 02:20:53 PM
When I worked for Honda the run up to the new Reg was like pension day in the Post Office. And not just the Jazz. All the Honda models. Most new cars going out of our showroom went to those at, or approaching, pension age.
I think this was partly due to the fact that other marques tended to be cheaper, like for like, so they younger buyers tended to go for them.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Jocko on April 28, 2018, 05:20:59 PM
Just saw this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-43934504
Thing is, the kn*bhead thinks he was hard done by and the "unlucky one who got caught".
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Kenneve on April 28, 2018, 05:47:02 PM
Looks like I started something with this post and it would seem that there is overwhelming agreement with my thoughts.
I have agree with Auntyneddy regarding the 'old farts' car. Occasionally I have taken on, the odd boy racer and to see their face when you leave them behind is amusing, all within the prevailing speed limits, you understand!

Members who decry the CVT box really need to try it in sport mode, it can really move when needed and I presume that the Jazz Sport is even better.
Also, totally agree with Peteo48  and his list of Idiots, to which I would add virtually any 10 year old small car, whose driver is trying to prove something.

Just in case some people think I'm maybe an 'old boy racer', well yes I am 81, but the average fuel consumption over the past 15800 miles is shown on the readout as 51.9mpg, so I can't be that bad.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: peteo48 on April 28, 2018, 05:57:14 PM
Good point about S mode. I mentioned on another thread about how it can help in certain situations. I shall be using it sparingly but I will be using it. It's a different car acceleration wise.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: ColinS on April 28, 2018, 07:30:35 PM
A great outcome on this one.  What a knob! https://www.pocketgpsworld.com/Pokey-For-Laser-Jammer-Driver-Who-Gave-Police-The-Finger-8380.php
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Barcam on April 29, 2018, 11:28:21 AM
The other problem that my Wife noticed is that cars turning right in the oncoming traffic lane always assume you are driving very very slowly. I have had a number of near misses since I got my new car.

I also agree that some drivers behind you seem assume you are driving very slowly on dual carriage ways and insist on overtaking then slowing down when they realise you are doing the legal limit and they are going faster than they thought.

Small price to pay, the Honda Jazz Sport is a great car I really like driving it around. One good thing people always let me out at road junctions.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: auntyneddy on April 29, 2018, 02:09:35 PM
When I heard about the driver to which Jocko refers, I really could not believe  that this person who allegedly holds a driving licence would be arrogant enough to even speak of what he had done. Still given that it was alleged to have been a person from the Indian sub continent ( I hope my information is correct) I am not surprised the person was stupid enough to a) do what he did and b) complain. Before we get shouts of foul my GP came from that part of the world and I have met plenty that are very decent people BUT on the other hand!!!!!
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: culzean on April 29, 2018, 02:36:15 PM
When I heard about the driver to which Jocko refers, I really could not believe  that this person who allegedly holds a driving licence would be arrogant enough to even speak of what he had done. Still given that it was alleged to have been a person from the Indian sub continent ( I hope my information is correct) I am not surprised the person was stupid enough to a) do what he did and b) complain. Before we get shouts of foul my GP came from that part of the world and I have met plenty that are very decent people BUT on the other hand!!!!!

His name was Patel,  so you are on pretty sure ground with your assumption. Just goes to show that all the hype about autopilot etc really impresses some gullible (read stupid) people.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: richardfrost on May 01, 2018, 11:06:15 AM
Still given that it was alleged to have been a person from the Indian sub continent

I thought he was from Nottingham!
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: culzean on May 01, 2018, 12:13:54 PM
Still given that it was alleged to have been a person from the Indian sub continent

I thought he was from Nottingham!

exactly  :o
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Jocko on May 02, 2018, 10:35:32 AM
It is not just BMW drivers that are dangerous.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5677619/Retired-Gurkha-died-swerving-avoid-BMW-electrical-fault.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5677619/Retired-Gurkha-died-swerving-avoid-BMW-electrical-fault.html)
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: valleyjazz on May 02, 2018, 05:52:04 PM
It is when they do this
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Jocko on May 12, 2018, 01:59:11 PM
Experienced a couple of real numpties today. First was an 18 plate Audi, that as I slowed and entered a 40 mph zone, pulled out from a few cars back, overtaking the rest of the traffic, and me, on the hatched junction.
I carried on at 40 mph, and 200 yards further on, where the road opens out (still 40 mph) he had disappeared from sight, half a mile ahead.
I was heading into the photo, and he passed me as I passed the junction on the left of the photo. Well into the 40's.
(https://i.imgur.com/y96n7Vg.jpg)

The next guy, driving a nondescript Asian SUV, over took me as I approached the end of the M8. He actually still had two wheels in my lane (lane 1) as he passed. How he missed my mirror I don't know. He then went round the outside of the Hermiston Gait roundabout, even undertaking cars that were signalling to leave the junction before he did.
Classic German/SUV drivers!
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: sparky Paul on May 14, 2018, 10:04:57 PM
I had some turnip in a flashy Mercedes overtake me and the three cars in front yesterday because we were slowing down. The rest of us had worked out from the flashing indicator that the car in front was turning right, but this failed to put the Merc driver off.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: peteo48 on May 14, 2018, 10:08:41 PM
Of course what we are all forgetting is that people who drive posh German cars are all incredibly important :P :P
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Barcam on May 15, 2018, 07:57:39 AM
When you have a posh german car you park anywhere, on double yellow lines, on blind corners and disabled parking spaces.

I regularly see a big german SUV's parking in reserved spaces because the cars are so big they can't get them into normal parking spaces.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Kenneve on May 15, 2018, 09:40:18 AM
On the A3400 in the village of Henley-in-Arden there is a narrow section of road alongside the village church where both sides of the road have double yellow lines.
We pass through the village maybe 3 or 4 times a week and there are always cars parked on the lines, which leads to holdups in the movement of traffic.
The police do not appear be interested!!!!
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Jocko on May 15, 2018, 09:53:18 AM
The police do not appear be interested!!!!
The police are not interested. I regularly see police vehicles, queuing with the rest of us mortals, trying to get past an illegally parked car. Why they don't stop and wait for the driver to appear (driver usually in one of the nearby shops), I don't know. They could at least give them a firm talking to if they don't want to ticket them.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: JohnAlways on May 15, 2018, 11:02:34 AM
Hi all

Jocko, the driver would probably claim he was loading his vehicle from a nearby shop (even if it was  a packet of sausages) :)
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Jocko on May 15, 2018, 11:18:23 AM
Then they ask to see his id, run a check on his vehicle, check the validity of his driving licence. By the time has has spent 15 minutes at the side of the road he may think about it next time!
I remember once being out with my brother, and we witnessed a particularly poor piece of driving. He said "I wish I was driving the company car.". It took a moment for me to realise that his "company car" was a police car.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: auntyneddy on May 15, 2018, 02:18:34 PM
The police of today are always telling us they are too busy to deal with mundane matters. Quite openly while visiting my very poorly Sister in Law, knowing I am ex job as they say, one of her carers said if you want to find a policeman just look in Tescos at Redruth.  The present situation is no different from my time except Health and Safety is the get out. WE were busy sometimes and not others but it was a cardinal sin to tell your supervisor you were bogged down with work. I worked a very busy south coast seaside town for three years before becoming  a rural which made matters worse as we were treated as gophers all the time. In my time there was the discipline code no entitlement to a meal break and you worked until the job was done and if it happened just before your shift ended tough, just get on with it.
Yesterday was a piece of film in Worcestershire. It appeared to be on a busy junction with a right hand bend in the distance. A white line system was in place. Mummy's were  coming up to what was obviously a school and stopping within the white line system. One wasn't even making any attempt to get close to the kerb. Just came around her chelsea tractor opened the door and got a child out while the traffic was attempting to get around her. Why not open the door on the opposite side to the traffic and get the child out on the 'safe' side. They all appeared to be bigger than child seat size. Sorry if I step on toes but the number of times I was moaned at about speeding, poor driving etc endangering their kiddies and then you would see the self same woman doing exactly  what she had been moaning about. On the subject of German cars, I had a mercedes pull up where I was standing alongside yellow lines, it had British plates, the woman got out. I said please move your car. The reply was I am German you can't do anything about it. To which I pretended to ask for a recovery vehicle for a tow. The car was moved pretty damn quick. They were arrogant then and no doubt have passed it on to British drivers as part of the handbook issued with BMW.Audi, Mercedes etc. Moany old git!!!!!
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: culzean on May 15, 2018, 06:26:30 PM
one of her carers said if you want to find a policeman just look in Tesco at Redruth.  The present situation is no different from my time except Health and Safety is the get out. WE were busy sometimes and not others but it was a cardinal sin to tell your supervisor you were bogged down with work. I worked a very busy south coast seaside town for three years before becoming  a rural which made matters worse as we were treated as gophers all the time. In my time there was the discipline code no entitlement to a meal break and you worked until the job was done and if it happened just before your shift ended tough, just get on with it.
Yesterday was a piece of film in Worcestershire. It appeared to be on a busy junction with a right hand bend in the distance. A white line system was in place. Mummy's were  coming up to what was obviously a school and stopping within the white line system. One wasn't even making any attempt to get close to the kerb. Just came around her chelsea tractor opened the door and got a child out while the traffic was attempting to get around

In America they used to say if you want a policeman you will find them at local coffee / donut bar.

How a lot of women can justify a 4x4 for school run and shopping is beyond me.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: richardfrost on May 16, 2018, 08:21:05 AM
The police do not appear be interested!!!!
The police are not interested. I regularly see police vehicles, queuing with the rest of us mortals, trying to get past an illegally parked car. Why they don't stop and wait for the driver to appear (driver usually in one of the nearby shops), I don't know. They could at least give them a firm talking to if they don't want to ticket them.

I dare say that the number of car parking tickets or warnings is not a measurement on these cops' key performance inidcators (KPIs) by which we all live these days.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: auntyneddy on May 16, 2018, 11:01:28 AM
Do police have a quota today?  nothing would surprise me if so. Not something I know anything about but given the number of specialists depts now in the police forces ( I refuse to use service) I shouldn't have thought there was much room for uniform quotas unless parking etc qualifies. The super specialists mop everything else up. Me I had to be jack of all trades and woe betied me if I was master of none.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Jocko on May 16, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
I just witnessed a couple of great bits of bad driving, while picking my wife up from work.
I was following a school of motoring car with an obvious learner at the controls. As we progressed along, at just under the limit, a Volvo X** cut straight out in front of it. And the driver of the Volvo. An old man with a flat cap. I hope the ADI took the opportunity to enlighten his pupil about the perils of old drivers with headgear, particularly flat caps!
The other driver was an equally old woman, sitting parked on the approach to a zebra crossing at the hospital, front bumper right at the crossing. She wasn't even parallel to the kerb but with the nose well out into the narrow road. As I slowly edged past I tooted the horn, and the look I got would have turned milk.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: auntyneddy on May 17, 2018, 09:00:22 AM
Unfortunately, it seems that we (  I hope not me) pick up the worst habits of others. On my favourite moan re driving, if the police are to get the public on side then they should set an example.
What am I on about, a WPC ( yes I know that is sexist but it wasn't in my day it told you immediately what sex the po was) parked a marked police car across the stripes of a pedestrian crossing completely blocking it.
Recently came around a bend to a dangerous junction where a lorry had broken down. Two WPC's one on the junction and one the other side of the lorry. The one on the junction was giving very clear and concise signals the other I thought was drying her nail varnish.
I do have a problem with calling ALL police officers the same. In my day, an officer announced them selves over the radio by their warrant/collar number and if a WPC 49 asked for help we would ensure we got there a little quicker. Now it would be PC49 and if the radio was blotted out by traffic noise I doubt one could differentiate. Nothing to do with sexism.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: John A on May 17, 2018, 10:41:34 AM
An old man with a flat cap. I hope the ADI took the opportunity to enlighten his pupil about the perils of old drivers with headgear, particularly flat caps!

Any age driver wearing headgear in a vehicle is a big warning sign to me  :o
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: Mankie on May 17, 2018, 11:29:56 AM
Drivers entering a motorway in Northern Ireland, they seem to think they have right of way and just barge in from the slip road, usually at about 40mph!  They seem to have no idea that it is called a 'slip' road because you match your speed and 'slip' into the traffic without inconveniencing others. Apparently some driving schools here recommend giving way to slip roads!!!  You should not have to give way at all on a motorway, much less have to use your brakes. :o
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: ColinS on May 17, 2018, 01:33:17 PM
Drivers entering a motorway in Northern Ireland, they seem to think they have right of way and just barge in from the slip road, usually at about 40mph!  They seem to have no idea that it is called a 'slip' road because you match your speed and 'slip' into the traffic without inconveniencing others. Apparently some driving schools here recommend giving way to slip roads!!!  You should not have to give way at all on a motorway, much less have to use your brakes. :o
I don't often have an issue with cars joining the motorway.  I try to match their speed (without braking) or if conditions allow, I pull into the middle lane.

What I think is really dangerous are those who immediately move to the outside lane when joining.  You cannot possibly be able to judge the relative speeds of other motorists in such a short time.  I have seen numerous near misses in these circumstances.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: VicW on May 17, 2018, 04:07:43 PM
Some years ago when I was working 'darn sarf' I was travelling east on the M25 and passing a slip road. A pick-up truck driven by 'foreign persons'  came hurtling down the slip road making no attempt to join the motorway in a proper manner. It travelled across all three lanes at speed, missed all the traffic, glanced off the central reservation barrier, bounced back into the outside lane and carried on unchecked!
There was a lot of tyre smoke about!

Vic.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: peteo48 on May 17, 2018, 05:43:15 PM
If you'd had a dash cam Vic it would have gone viral on YouTube!
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: culzean on May 19, 2018, 12:01:02 PM
Having just driven back from Devon on M5 I have had a bellyful of HGV drivers who continually pull into centre lane, perform the slowest overtake possible and then pull back in front of lorry they have just overtaken and proceed at exactly same speed as it.  I am confounded why they felt the need to overtake and cause chaos in following traffic,  are they bored with the view of lorry in front, the cynical part of me thinks they do it for entertainment.  Also the advice to keep to the nearside lane and keep centre lane free - do not hog centre lane has gone amiss somewhere, people dive into inside lane and within 100 yards are back out into centre lane,  back into inside lane out again in 200 yards, WTF it is more dangerous than staying in centre lane and keeping up a reasonable speed - it is so easy to get trapped in nearside lane doing 50 when centre lane traffic is doing 70+,  the same people will happily stay in nearside lane at junctions and make the joining traffic go thorough hoops to get into traffic flow.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: ReverseParker on May 19, 2018, 02:13:07 PM
I used to be the same with the lorry overtaking thing, but an ex artic driver who has joined our side of the firm gave me an explanation, to do with momentum, gear changing, getting back up to speed when forced to slow or brake, he said it better than I can, but since then I've understood why it happens and drive accordingly. I get more peed off if I'm approaching the back of a lorry (or any slow moving vehicle) and I can't pull out because a middle lane driver is hurtling by at between 1 and 2 mph faster than I'm going, usually a woman or elderly bloke.
Title: Re: The UK's most dangerous drivers
Post by: ReverseParker on May 19, 2018, 02:17:50 PM
and as one who drives a lot for work, I have concluded the most dangerous drivers are in Vauxhalls, any size, car, van, the whole range. I have noticed too that Skoda drivers, who've gone years not being able to go fast, now zoom around like boy racers now that they have a bit of oomph under the bonnet.